Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 But they must pay for a ticket - in todays Echo. John Mortimore, Ian Hunt and Ian Gordon have been stripped of their ambassadorial roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Good. I net john mortimore a couple of times, hes a footballing legend and a perfect gentlemen, so no its not 'good'. It doesnt make sense. He was doing a job for free so why get rid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Well, Ian Hunt and Ian Gordon were part of the old board that took part in the reverse takeover, so I won't be shedding any tears about them. I didn't even know that they had ambassadorial roles. No doubt that was a ploy by Lowe to keep them as toadies. Anyway, ML has made it quite clear that everybody from the directors down must pay for their own tickets, so no reason why these hangers-on should have any privileges or freebies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 (edited) But they must pay for a ticket - in todays Echo. John Mortimore, Ian Hunt and Ian Gordon have been stripped of their ambassadorial roles. Well does that mean that Lawrie is in the same boat as John Mortimore who was a loyal servant to the club and was Ted and possibly Lawries Assistant Dont care about the others Edited 21 July, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 About time too, anybody entering the stadium to watch a game should pay for their ticket, whoever they are IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I net john mortimore a couple of times, hes a footballing legend and a perfect gentlemen, so no its not 'good'. It doesnt make sense. He was doing a job for free so why get rid? Yes, I cannot think of anything bad to say about him, my impression is that he has always been well liked and respected so I think it's a bad move also. I don't know anything about Hunt and Gordon either so cannot comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I net john mortimore a couple of times, hes a footballing legend and a perfect gentlemen, so no its not 'good'. It doesnt make sense. He was doing a job for free so why get rid? Comment was meant in general, not aimed at John Mortimer. What exactly does these ambassadorial roles entail? Too many peolple have been getting freebies for too long, whatever they've been doing for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Sounds like good news. If ML wants his directors to buy a season ticket then there is no reason why there should be anyone else in the comfy seats free loading. Some of these people have done fantastic things for the club in the past but its the recent past that the club has been suffering and they have been quite happy to take there free tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicMan Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I totally agree with the club to cut back on free tickets for some people. Although I have nothing against them, a lot have been very good for the club and done work for free but these people do have money and could easily afford to buy their own tickets. The tickets that the club were giving away to these people could go to youngsters and families that may not be able to afford tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Freaky they must have spent a long time reading this, I've said this is what was wanted from the start of the admin process. Yes there are many people who have played a role in the history of this club, but that history ended in a failure, now it is a new beginning. I have absolutely no issue with anyone from the "hangers on" club going to matches, even Rupert if he wants to, but I agree that they SHOULD all pay for their seats. Heck, even the MP's and the Mayor should, after all why should the FANS have to pay who have been a part of the club's history and yet a few z-list local celebs who could actually put the cost on expenses NOT pay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Excellent decision ML ! A refreshing pole opposite from Mike "COYR" Wilde's policy of toadying with his fan friendly ( but strategically bankrupt) rhetoric and actions ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Freaky they must have spent a long time reading this, I've said this is what was wanted from the start of the admin process. Yes there are many people who have played a role in the history of this club, but that history ended in a failure, now it is a new beginning. I have absolutely no issue with anyone from the "hangers on" club going to matches, even Rupert if he wants to, but I agree that they SHOULD all pay for their seats. Heck, even the MP's and the Mayor should, after all why should the FANS have to pay who have been a part of the club's history and yet a few z-list local celebs who could actually put the cost on expenses NOT pay... Spot on, Markus is doing 100% the right thing and more to the point, is leading by example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 these people do have money and could easily afford to buy their own tickets. Those that are deservant should be given the opportunity to purchase tickets to retain seats that have been held for a period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Will former managers have to purchase a ticket too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Are we going to charge the away team directors/hangers on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Are we going to charge the away team directors/hangers on? Yep! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 A bit harsh on mortimore, but the rest i can agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Well does that mean that Lawrie is in the same boat as John Mortimore who was a loyal servant to the club and was Ted and possibly Lawries Assistant Dont care about the others It was always going to be a close call if you'd beat Nineteen to this question so you win a Crackerjack Pencil. ...interesting question though as to where they will draw the line between paying and non-paying guests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 (edited) It was always going to be a close call if you'd beat Nineteen to this question so you win a Crackerjack Pencil. ...interesting question though as to where they will draw the line between paying and non-paying guests I have a feeling John Mortimore may have been involved with Pompey at sometime or other I used to work with a couple of people who were vice presidents of Chelsea and Crystal Palace and they used to get us into matches free but I always thought they donated money to both of the clubs Edited 21 July, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 where they will draw the line between paying and non-paying guests No 'guest' will pay because they will simply be that...A Guest, invited to visit at the clubs expense, therefore, I would assume all ambassadors will at times be invited by the current board along with city dignitaries and would like to see more of those ex players/staff who served us well enjoy the hospitality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 About time, well done Markus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Wont be seeing Askham at SMS any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Wont be seeing Askham at SMS any more. There ia possibility that he maybe there more times than you or me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I have a feeling John Mortimore may have been involved with Pompey at sometime or other right you are. http://www.soccerbase.com/managers2.sd?managerid=827 sod him then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Quite right. You should always have to pay for your tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petersfield Saint Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 A bit harsh on mortimore, but the rest i can agree with. Agree about Mortimore, however: Spot on, Markus is doing 100% the right thing and more to the point, is leading by example. What he said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petersfield Saint Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Wont be seeing Askham at SMS any more. Good riddance!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I too hope that they invite John Mortimore as a guest. A true football person, a gentleman, and one of the few English managers to win a league abroad, he is a regular at our academy games and is a very approachable and knowledgeable person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I too hope that they invite John Mortimore as a guest. A true football person, a gentleman, and one of the few English managers to win a league abroad, he is a regular at our academy games and is a very approachable and knowledgeable person. oh well, unsod him then. i wasn't really serious about the sodomy in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Heck, even the MP's I know Denham pays the normal rate as he sits just in front of me in the Itchen North. Have no problem with ex directors or ex employees paying their way, but not so sure with the situation regards Mortimore. As Club President, having taken over from Bates in 2003, shouldn't he be entitled to a free seat in the Director's Box???? Or are Presidents expected to contribute financially towards the Club???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I know Denham pays the normal rate as he sits just in front of me in the Itchen North. Have no problem with ex directors or ex employees paying their way, but not so sure with the situation regards Mortimore. As Club President, having taken over from Bates in 2003, shouldn't he be entitled to a free seat in the Director's Box???? Or are Presidents expected to contribute financially towards the Club???? Agreed. Let's not get too carried away with the Echo's attempt at discrediting everyone from the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 John Mortimore is a gentleman and a footballing legend. Go to Benfica and ask anyone. In this new era I hope we can acknowledge his service to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I know Denham pays the normal rate as he sits just in front of me in the Itchen North. Have no problem with ex directors or ex employees paying their way, but not so sure with the situation regards Mortimore. As Club President, having taken over from Bates in 2003, shouldn't he be entitled to a free seat in the Director's Box???? Or are Presidents expected to contribute financially towards the Club???? My point is simply the fact that he was Club President of the "Old Club". he did much good when he was here as asst to LM, and his role of "political hand shaker" was important. But when you start a new regime, at which point do you draw the line? Already (valid) questions are asked about LM, then LC, then a case is made for MC and you end up back in the old days and ways. How about people who used to sell the Saints lottery tickets 30 years ago and still sell the programmes today? They have done great service to the club, albeit not in such a public setting. (in some ways it COULD be argued that all the "political links" do not seem to have publicly that much "impact" in helping solve our demise, so again, so hard to pick sides) It IS very difficult, hence why I go with the complete change view. ML has stated that "officers" of the club are expected to pay for their tickets, so IF he intends to retain John in the President capacity, he must decide on how to place a "value" on his work. If he feels his voluntary work IS worth a 100 quid "hospitality ticket" each week then it is justifiable, but otherwise he is part of the old days (then the issue becomes one only for the tax man!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I know Denham pays the normal rate as he sits just in front of me in the Itchen North. Have no problem with ex directors or ex employees paying their way, but not so sure with the situation regards Mortimore. As Club President, having taken over from Bates in 2003, shouldn't he be entitled to a free seat in the Director's Box???? Or are Presidents expected to contribute financially towards the Club???? I used to appreciate John Denham, now he can just f off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I like this bit: Saints insist that the new way forward is a sensible policy, aimed at developingthe club into a proper business with transparent and honest decision making. The club have said that if any former director or player is asked to carry out a role on behalf of Saints then they will be paid by agreement that time, rather than ongoing round of free tickets and perks on top of any payment". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 (edited) My point is simply the fact that he was Club President of the "Old Club". he did much good when he was here as asst to LM, and his role of "political hand shaker" was important. But when you start a new regime, at which point do you draw the line? Already (valid) questions are asked about LM, then LC, then a case is made for MC and you end up back in the old days and ways. How about people who used to sell the Saints lottery tickets 30 years ago and still sell the programmes today? They have done great service to the club, albeit not in such a public setting. (in some ways it COULD be argued that all the "political links" do not seem to have publicly that much "impact" in helping solve our demise, so again, so hard to pick sides) It IS very difficult, hence why I go with the complete change view. ML has stated that "officers" of the club are expected to pay for their tickets, so IF he intends to retain John in the President capacity, he must decide on how to place a "value" on his work. If he feels his voluntary work IS worth a 100 quid "hospitality ticket" each week then it is justifiable, but otherwise he is part of the old days (then the issue becomes one only for the tax man!). Rubbish you cant suddenly start again and forget what happened in the preceeding 125 years Having one owner with money does have advantages but it has disadvantages too as he can do what he wants Lots of clubs including Portsmouth today change owners but the club just goes on Edited 21 July, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2009 *EDIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ben Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 isnt Mortimer club president? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 My point is simply the fact that he was Club President of the "Old Club". he did much good when he was here as asst to LM, and his role of "political hand shaker" was important. But when you start a new regime, at which point do you draw the line? Already (valid) questions are asked about LM, then LC, then a case is made for MC and you end up back in the old days and ways. How about people who used to sell the Saints lottery tickets 30 years ago and still sell the programmes today? They have done great service to the club, albeit not in such a public setting. (in some ways it COULD be argued that all the "political links" do not seem to have publicly that much "impact" in helping solve our demise, so again, so hard to pick sides) It IS very difficult, hence why I go with the complete change view. ML has stated that "officers" of the club are expected to pay for their tickets, so IF he intends to retain John in the President capacity, he must decide on how to place a "value" on his work. If he feels his voluntary work IS worth a 100 quid "hospitality ticket" each week then it is justifiable, but otherwise he is part of the old days (then the issue becomes one only for the tax man!). I agree with the bit about all the ex directors, ex employees, hangers on and even current employees, but John Mortimore was, and as far as I am aware, still is the Club President. Now I don't see him mentioned in the Echo (so it may not even apply to him) and he may even be totally OK paying his way and making a contribution, but I just think we need to be careful about throwing the baby out with the bath water here. Mortimore has been a good ambassador for this Club, never involved in any of the politics or squabbles (as far as I can remember) and as others have mentioned, he is often seen around Staplewood. I would have thought as President he should be given a lifelong ticket in the Director's Box. I think there's a big difference between providing a seat to the Club President and providing one to any number of hangers on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I agree with the bit about all the ex directors, ex employees, hangers on and even current employees, but John Mortimore was, and as far as I am aware, still is the Club President. Now I don't see him mentioned in the Echo (so it may not even apply to him) and he may even be totally OK paying his way and making a contribution, but I just think we need to be careful about throwing the baby out with the bath water here. Mortimore has been a good ambassador for this Club, never involved in any of the politics or squabbles (as far as I can remember) and as others have mentioned, he is often seen around Staplewood. I would have thought as President he should be given a lifelong ticket in the Director's Box. I think there's a big difference between providing a seat to the Club President and providing one to any number of hangers on. Yes I agree with you alienating people who have put time and effort into the club is not a good idea I would have thought. That is why I dont agree that we start a fresh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2009 isnt Mortimer club president? Formerly yes. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4503433.Taking_the_politics_away_from_St_Mary_s/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Formerly yes. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4503433.Taking_the_politics_away_from_St_Mary_s/ Am I missing something on that link, as I can't see any mention of Mortimore??? Or is there more in the paper version??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 David Armstrong will be having a rant about this I suspect.Lol I often wonder when you hear about all the free tickets being given out by staff, how doe the club ever expect to make any money if there are so many freebies.I assume it will be done like a consultancy basis, if an explayer is asked to give a talk in the lounges, they will be paid an agreed fee. I expect quite a few noses wil be put out of joint. I saw a fan the other day and said will you be going again this seaon, and he said yes as long as i still get my complimentaries! Is he a fan or not in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Am I missing something on that link, as I can't see any mention of Mortimore??? Or is there more in the paper version??? Paper version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2009 (edited) I saw a fan the other day and said will you be going again this seaon, and he said yes as long as i still get my complimentaries! Is he a fan or not in your opinion? He might be poor and relies on complimentaries to watch the team he loves. This is only my 5th year as a season ticket holder due to not being able to afford a season ticket in the past. The first year the Stadium was open I relied on complimentaries for the first couple of months until I gained a free role at the club for the rest of that year. I've been able to afford one since, only just though for this season. Edited 21 July, 2009 by Master Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 He might be poor and relies on complimentaries to watch the team he loves. This is only my 5th years as a season ticket holder due to not being able to afford a season ticket in the past. The first year the Stadium was open I relied on complimentaries for the first couple of months until I gained a free role at the club for the rest of that year. I've been able to afford one since, only just though for this season.Not in his case MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Not in his case MB. Well, then do enlighten us what IS in his case then, and is his name Barry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Well, then do enlighten us what IS in his case then, and is his name Barry? Oh I see what you did there MB, top stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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