shurlock Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Was tipped to be a key player this term yet hasn't started a competitive game. Does Pards rate him or think that with Schneiderlin's good form, Wotton is more complementary in the middle. Can't believe that pound for pound Pards seriously thinks Wotton is better than Gillett. And why wouldnt Schneiderlin and Gillett work - Gillett talks less but arguably provides more energy an power? Or is this all just a stopgap as the cavalry and new signings are on their way? Early days but it is a puzzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 My guess is that he prefers Wotton for his experience. Wasn't Gillett injured recently though? Perhaps he's not fully fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I think pards does not like the idea of two young'uns in the middle..(gillett and Morgan) at the back we have alot of captain material in Kelvin, murty, thomas, perry and wotton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Well it's still early days but I agree it's surprising that he hasn't featured. He'd do very well in this league, and I do feel that without him in the middle we are a much, much weaker outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 August, 2009 My guess is that he prefers Wotton for his experience. Wasn't Gillett injured recently though? Perhaps he's not fully fit. Heard he was injured but was same old terrier self when he came on against Millwall. Experience must count for alot if it compensates for the rest of Wotton's play. Certainly one reason why the Racon rumours might be a bit off - would suggest Pards favours a more seasoned player to fill that position which is fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boy done well Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Am I alone in not rating Gillett. Sure, he runs everywhere but the end product not there. He's popular on here in part for the effort and energy he puts into his game, which is no bad thing, but IMO he flatters to deceive. Don't think he achieved much either when he went out on loan in the past. Average squad player at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 if he lost a leg he would still be better than Wotton. I dont get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hectors house Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I think our defending at set plays is a factor, at corners in particular. What ever you feel about Wotton I think you'll agree that he is more of a presence when the ball is knocked into the box. I suspect Gilltet's time may come if/when we sign (and play) another ball winning centre half alongside Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Am I alone in not rating Gillett. Sure, he runs everywhere but the end product not there. He's popular on here in part for the effort and energy he puts into his game, which is no bad thing, but IMO he flatters to deceive. Don't think he achieved much either when he went out on loan in the past. Average squad player at most. No you're not alone I think he's one of the least talented of our youngsters The fact he's 4ft 6 doesn't help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I think Pards feels that we are too lightweight if we go with Schniederlin and Gillet in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Am I alone in not rating Gillett. Sure, he runs everywhere but the end product not there. He's popular on here in part for the effort and energy he puts into his game, which is no bad thing, but IMO he flatters to deceive. Don't think he achieved much either when he went out on loan in the past. Average squad player at most. No it's not his work rate which people appreciate, it's his tackling and range of passing imo. Although his work rate is also a plus point! And he's 23 now, hardly a 'youngster' in the footballing sense of the term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I think our defending at set plays is a factor, at corners in particular. What ever you feel about Wotton I think you'll agree that he is more of a presence when the ball is knocked into the box. I suspect Gilltet's time may come if/when we sign (and play) another ball winning centre half alongside Thomas. That makes sense - though hopefully Lambo will give us more presence when defending set pieces. It was quite interesting how on Tues -despite being at home and against L2 opposition- we had everyone back in the box for set-pieces and nobody ready for a possible break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Banana Factor Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 It might be because he's a truly awful footballer who makes his name by simply running around kicking ppls ankles, on the race occasion he succesfully wins the ball he then manages to give it away with a long ranging pass to the touchline! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 It might be because he's a truly awful footballer who makes his name by simply running around kicking ppls ankles, on the race occasion he succesfully wins the ball he then manages to give it away with a long ranging pass to the touchline! Hmm, yeah that could be it. Probably not though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 if he lost a leg he would still be better than Wotton. I dont get it +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 That makes sense - though hopefully Lambo will give us more presence when defending set pieces. It was quite interesting how on Tues -despite being at home and against L2 opposition- we had everyone back in the box for set-pieces and nobody ready for a possible break. We always had Lambert back defending but there was always one on the halfway line usually Paterson or Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 My guess is that he prefers Wotton for his experience. Wasn't Gillett injured recently though? Perhaps he's not fully fit. Probably right there London Saint. That said, even as a critic of playing kids I have to say that Gillett was one of the few who I felt could hold his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 He was really disappointing when he came on in the 2nd half against Millwall: constantly either dispossed of the ball or gave it away by a bad pass. He may just have been having a bad day, but he simply didn't look strong enough and composed enough. My guess is he'll have to show something in training and/or a reserve game before he gets another start. Plenty of short players have been successful, but Gillett needs to develop his lower body strength and use his low center of gravity to make it hard for opponents to knock him off the ball; and he needs to be more composed on the ball and play it to team mates, not to opponents or out of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 It might be because he's a truly awful footballer who makes his name by simply running around kicking ppls ankles, on the race occasion he succesfully wins the ball he then manages to give it away with a long ranging pass to the touchline! This is Wotton you'e describing here, isn't it? It's him to a tee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 August, 2009 He was really disappointing when he came on in the 2nd half against Millwall: constantly either dispossed of the ball or gave it away by a bad pass. He may just have been having a bad day, but he simply didn't look strong enough and composed enough. My guess is he'll have to show something in training and/or a reserve game before he gets another start. Plenty of short players have been successful, but Gillett needs to develop his lower body strength and use his low center of gravity to make it hard for opponents to knock him off the ball; and he needs to be more composed on the ball and play it to team mates, not to opponents or out of play. To be fair, he came on after Millwall equalised and were threatening to run riot. Quite hard to impose yourself on a game under those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Can we swap him for Lambert now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 To be fair, he came on after Millwall equalised and were threatening to run riot. Quite hard to impose yourself on a game under those circumstances. I would have thought he was brought on to quell the so called riot and failed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I think it's more a case of the boss trying to decide whether Wooten is worth keeping. I think he's giving him and some others a chance before bringing in others and releasing some players. I think that Gillet may have a problem injury wise. Great to see Thomas, crowing on the Official site about being super fit. Bet he's the first player to be laid off with injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Banana Factor Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 This is Wotton you'e describing here, isn't it? It's him to a tee. Its both of them!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Am I alone in not rating Gillett. Sure, he runs everywhere but the end product not there. He's popular on here in part for the effort and energy he puts into his game, which is no bad thing, but IMO he flatters to deceive. Don't think he achieved much either when he went out on loan in the past. Average squad player at most. No, you're not. He is probably better than Wotton, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesend Saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 The fact he's 4ft 6 doesn't help When we came down for the Ajax game my wife spent half of th match saying he was too small and his shorts met his socks If he has time on the ball he can be effective but IMO - especially in lower leagues - he is too lightweight and easily powered of the ball. You don't get time in the lower leagues. Can see why AP would want a presence instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Causer Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Amazing how people can forget things. He was our best player after Davis last season and is better than Wotton in all departments other than height.He can pass tackle and run alot better than him and should play central midfiled with Schneiderlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 The main advantage Gillett has is that he is more mobile. He is very lightweight and can get knocked off the ball too easily. We need muscle and wotton could prove to be useful if we get a larger midfielder to work with. Either that or a more dominant CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 No you're not alone I think he's one of the least talented of our youngsters The fact he's 4ft 6 doesn't help Don't belittle the little. Gillett may not be the tallest (5'5" actually) but he is good at out-jumping others and headers. And he doesn't give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Strange how people see things differently I rate him and thought he was one of our better players last season, expect Pardew to give Wotton another game or two then start with Gilllett after realising the error of his ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 May be AP has motivated the rest to step up their performances and Gillett looked good last season because the rest were so poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Gillett for me is a re-incernated Billy Bremner and, personally I would build the team around him. Fair play to Pardew tho - he has the same thoughts about Lallana so Gillett will have to work harder and prove himself to the new boss. Temporary set back. The guy has a big future and this will help build the right character through hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fen Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I really rate Gillett and thought he was one of our better players last season, certainly made a difference when he was out injured. He has many qualities than Wotton lacks in the fact he is very mobile and can pass. Wotton is a holding midfielder and give Morgan more freedom so this would be my guess why he is preferred. Also has more physical presences than Gillett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 He was really disappointing when he came on in the 2nd half against Millwall: constantly either dispossed of the ball or gave it away by a bad pass. He may just have been having a bad day, but he simply didn't look strong enough and composed enough. My guess is he'll have to show something in training and/or a reserve game before he gets another start. Plenty of short players have been successful, but Gillett needs to develop his lower body strength and use his low center of gravity to make it hard for opponents to knock him off the ball; and he needs to be more composed on the ball and play it to team mates, not to opponents or out of play. Yep, I'd agree with this. Seems to have a fanbase similar to Prutton - he runs around a bit, doesn't do an awful lot but at least he tries eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boy done well Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Yep, I'd agree with this. Seems to have a fanbase similar to Prutton - he runs around a bit, doesn't do an awful lot but at least he tries eh? Absolutely spot on. At the mere suggestion of Prutton's return this forum almost went into meltdown. Why? Same fans as Gillett's by any chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bizzle Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 He's pretty crap tbf. Loses everything in the air, can't pass, pretty poor tackler and is constantly out of position because of all the chasing he has to do because his first touch is ten yards in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Its both of them!! The difference is though that Wotton is the proverbial old dog and is what he is. His best years are probably behind him at Plymouth. Gillett is a raw talent at the moment, but with the right coaching, could turn into a bit of a diamond. A lot of the basic attributes are already there; he is a little terrier of a player, full of energy and always wholehearted in everything he does. Although he won't grow in height, some good coaching will ensure he grows in stature and becomes the sort of player a good manager will always want in his team, dependable, reliable, right attitude, never say die, a good team player adding bite to the midfield, never letting the opposition settle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 what wotton has over gilltt right now is pure experience..he captained plymouth to win this league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Gillett for me is a re-incernated Billy Bremner and, personally I would build the team around him. Fair play to Pardew tho - he has the same thoughts about Lallana so Gillett will have to work harder and prove himself to the new boss. Temporary set back. The guy has a big future and this will help build the right character through hard work. I agree completely - last season he was prepared to cover every inch of ground & never shirk a tackle for the cause.His passing was never as bad as 'wotton earth's he doing playing for us' & he makes himself available as an outlet for the players around him. I regret he won't get to form the promising pairing that was developing with Surman...Cork too! He has a great engine & good feet - We can do a lot worse than build a team around him. His heart is pure Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I think it comes down to experience. I don't think Pards likes the idea of us playing Schneiderlin and Gillett together, and as other posters have said, Wotton poses more of a threat defensively too. I hope Gillett can force his way into the first-team soon though, as he's a really good talent who is a better version of Wotton IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I like Gillet, but Morgan provide excellent distribution and the legs and despite what some think he does get into challenges. Wotton proivdes invaluable experience at this level as has helped Plymouth through the leagues as a captian, and is the sort of leader we need in midfield. Gillet will come could and although not too young, perhaps doesn;t have the required experiecne, but considering Wotton's age, i;m sure he will get a very good number of games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I think it comes down to experience. I don't think Pards likes the idea of us playing Schneiderlin and Gillett together, and as other posters have said, Wotton poses more of a threat defensively too. I hope Gillett can force his way into the first-team soon though, as he's a really good talent who is a better version of Wotton IMO. oxymoron surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 i dont care if Wotton landed on the moon, the man is utter gash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 i dont care if Wotton landed on the moon, the man is utter gash if Wotton landed on the moon I'd be sick as a parrot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchi Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Neither of them ought to be a first choice, but given the current squad they can offer something different according to how physical the opposition is. I can imagine plenty of games where it will help to have someone bigger than Gillett sitting in front of the defence until a really commanding CB comes in, and other games where it will be useful to have someone who at least tries to play people in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I think pards does not like the idea of two young'uns in the middle..(gillett and Morgan) at the back we have alot of captain material in Kelvin, murty, thomas, perry and wotton I'd go with this,gillett will feature later on as wotton is definate card material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 if he lost a leg he would still be better than Wotton. I dont get it If he lost both legs he'd still be quicker and more skillful than Wotton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningtonCrescent Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 The Saints Web Forum curse strikes! As soon as he was sponsored by SWF, he's out of the team! (who else is in the package?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoakley Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Gilett is a good player we are lucky we have 3 good CM in this league in wotton gilett and spiderman. He will get his chance wotton wont be able to start every game this season its up to him to play well and prove hes goodeuff when he comes on as a sub or when he gets his rare start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 3good CM? Your including Wotton in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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