Pardew's verdict...

[.comsaint]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1760114,00.html

 

"There were some good performances this evening..."

 

Yeah - but not by any of our players Mr Pardew!

Edited 18 August, 2009 by .comsaint

[Legod Third Coming]

so he's made Brentford a must-win game. lol

[VectisSaint]

I am guessing that AP was at a different game to the 2999 that I was with. If that was better than Huddersfield, then we must have been bad. What were the good performances? Only Harding came out with credit. Mellis is too lightweight, and the Swindon defenders were pushing him over for fun. Did Saga touch that ball when he came on? Why is Gillett on the bench? Rubbish, utter rubbish.

[S-Clarke]

For the first time i'm concerned by those comments. He's usually spot on with his judgements and honest in his assessments. They're coming from a manager who is obviously at a loss at to what's gone wrong and is trying to grab as many positives as possible.

 

Not sure this was better than Huddersfield pards...they just didn't have a Jordan Rhodes up front to punish us. In all honesty based in performance terms...i'd say listening on, thsi sounded worse.

[trousers]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1760114,00.html

 

"There were some good performances this evening..."

 

 

[Wes Tender]

At least Kelvin Davis is in the form of his life. Without him, the goals against column could be heavier by about 6 or seven more goals.

[thorpie the sinner]

For the first time i'm concerned by those comments. He's usually spot on with his judgements and honest in his assessments. They're coming from a manager who is obviously at a loss at to what's gone wrong and is trying to grab as many positives as possible.

 

Not sure this was better than Huddersfield pards...they just didn't have a Jordan Rhodes up front to punish us. In all honesty based in performance terms...i'd say listening on, thsi sounded worse.

 

totally agree Clarkey!!!!

[Le-Gend]

Paul Wotton was 'man of the match' for Swindon

[Colinjb]

I'm a worried man, and that didn't allay my fears one bit.

[spd]

Sorry we could have come away with something!! he must be on magic mushrooms picked up at the magic roundabout! Having watched Saints for the last 45 years I really do think we have reached an all time low in football terms and if anybody can tell me that Wotton brings more to the side than Gillett well my eye sight must be going!!!

[The Fat Controller]

this has to rate as one of our worse 5 performnces since relegation due to the following:

 

inability again to defend a set piece yet they practice this every day

Our midfield being over run

defending too deep

No width

No creativity

No leadership

70+ minutes to make a substitution which could of been done at half time

when they got the hand jestures at the end they were deserved apart from Harding and Kelvin Davis.

 

I think that Pardew has to take on board comments from supporters groups like this , as we pay good money to watch the game and unfairly our team doesn't turn up. In any other industry you would get fired if you didn't do your job properly

[trousers]

this has to rate as one of our worse 5 performnces since relegation

 

Which of our relegations are you referring to....?

[The Fat Controller]

if we continue like this we will be in league 2

[docker-p]

Gillett should be starting. He was our best outfield player last season. He is the only midfield player we have who knows how to break up the opposition play.

[oxfordshire_saint]

Having read that, he's either (a) trying to protect the players, or (b) he is a complete tool.

 

We got outplayed tonight by a side who had no other intention than to get about us and pump balls forward. It was a simple tactic and it got a result, we had no answer.

 

We need to get used to this, because every away game and to a lesser extent, a lot of home games, will be just like tonight.

 

At the time, Pardew was a great appointment IMO, but tonight his attitude was baffling.

[S-Clarke]

Gillett should be starting. He was our best outfield player last season. He is the only midfield player we have who knows how to break up the opposition play.

 

I agree. I'm not sure what Pard's problem is with him.

 

When we get Hammond i'd play him in the middle alongside Gillet. At least that would give us some damn bite!

[Seaford Saint]

Having read that, he's either (a) trying to protect the players, or (b) he is a complete tool.

 

We got outplayed tonight by a side who had no other intention than to get about us and pump balls forward. It was a simple tactic and it got a result, we had no answer.

 

We need to get used to this, because every away game and to a lesser extent, a lot of home games, will be just like tonight.

 

At the time, Pardew was a great appointment IMO, but tonight his attitude was baffling.

 

Wrong, they regularly played it on the ground to their fast forwards who made our defence look pedestrian.

[s0108787]

Shocking and embarrasing.

 

Not sure what pardew was watching tonight! Not the same thing i was that is for sure!

 

Kelvin was class, although his kicking was a little off under pressure.

I have never witnessed so many aimless hoof balls up into the air.

We were crying out for the ball to be kept on the deck and some width. Thomson and Holmes maybe?

What the **** was Paterson doing out on the right for most of the game?

Melis had a shocker and appeared to supporting Lambert to little or no effect.

Quite why AP waited so long to make substitutions is beyond me.

Today these players looked like they had never played football before, let alone played together as a team. I hope that Hammond is the player we need to get hold of the ball and dictate the way we play (keeping the ball on the deck and making others create the angles for the pass).

 

What is so frustrating is that we all know that the likes of Lallana & Schneiderlin are hugely talented, they just seem to be intimidated easily and put off their stride.

 

Our team also seems to lack any intelligent movement off the ball and the players do not create space for each other.

 

I feel depressed, not because i don't think things will get better, but because things should not be as bad as they are.

 

It also doesn't help working next to 2 Swindon Fans.

 

Olly Lancashire played well tonight, much better than i expected. Looked more composed on the ball than i have seen him before and looked easily more assured than Thomas at times. Harding did well considering that the Swindon attackers kept doubling up on him.

Paterson was very lucky not to get sent off tonight, when he lunged at the Swindon player by the touchline. I had a clear view and i was expecting a red card to come out. At best you could describe it as a 'strikers tackle' but really it looked like frustration had got the better of him. I don't think it has any bearing on what was a crap display, but the Corner that Swindon scored from should have been a goal kick. Even my Swindon supporting friends agreed with me on that.

 

One final point. I can only assume that Wotton is in the team for his size becasue everything else about him is rubbish. He can spot a ball ok, but like many of us who can only dream of playing professionally, he will fail to play that ball 99 times out of 100.

Edited 18 August, 2009 by s0108787

[gordonToo]

Gillet is one of those players that's not to everyones taste. Tons of energy but little end product and similar to Wotton in passing ability.

[Saint Fen]

What!!!

 

I can't believe what he has said we were awful, Davis made 4 or 5 top class saves again and we never tested their keeper.

 

He must have watched a different game, his game plan was ****e. 1 up front so isolated no one was ever around him.There were times when their keeper had the ball at his feet on a back pass and literally all of our side were in our half bar Lambert.

 

Thomas and Lancashire were shocking, when I was speaking to a Swindon fan after the game and said Thomas cost us a £1m and is on £8k a week they could not believe it.

[Saint_Si]

They are worrying comments, I must say. I really hope Pards can pull us out of this mess but for the first time, doubts are starting to creep into my mind. We're desperate for 4 or 5 really decent players, lets face it.

[oxfordshire_saint]

Another thing with our defence, on the rare occasion we clear a corner, should they not step up rather than holding a line on the edge of the 6 yard box?

[s0108787]

Gillet is one of those players that's not to everyones taste. Tons of energy but little end product and similar to Wotton in passing ability.[/QUOTE]

 

there is zero truth in that statement. I think he takes a few games to get fully up to speed, but to place him in the same bracket with Wotton is offensive!

[.comsaint]

Another thing with our defence, on the rare occasion we clear a corner, should they not step up rather than holding a line on the edge of the 6 yard box?

 

And that is a fundamental footballing tactic - is it not? - but a point sadly no one seems to instill into our rearguard.

[saintalan]

Have to agree with the sentiment on here.

[oxfordshire_saint]

And that is a fundamental footballing tactic - is it not? - but a point sadly no one seems to instill into our rearguard.

 

Exactly, we should seize on those times we actually manage to clear a corner and press the opposition.

 

It happened to us when we won corners down the other end tonight, the ball would be cleared and the opposition would either force us backwards or they'd step up so much that any ball pumped back forward would just travel through to their keeper.

 

It's basic stuff.

[Armitage Shanks]

I'm just back from the game. I fully realise that we need to be patient and time may well deliver results. However, some of the players are simply not good enough and some just don't have the bottle for a fight (i.e. Lallana and Schneiderlin - two fancy dans who bottle it in a 50/50). But above all tonight, Mr Pardew got his team selection very badly wrong. That worries me. He picked the wrong side and he was also tactically inept in terms of his formation and substitutions. You could feel the crowd turning on him and the players tonight and that is not good.

 

For those who think that we have a chance of reaching the playoffs stop dreaming now. If we avoid relegation this season that will be a success. In the first half tonight we were truly dreadful - the second half was marginally better.

 

Mr Pardew. You got it wrong tonight mate. Put your hands up and admit it and don't try and fool the fans.

Edited 18 August, 2009 by Armitage Shanks

[stevegrant]

I'm normally one to not make rash conclusions from a bad performance but Jesus ****ing Christ, that was terrible.

 

No urgency, no ability, no communcation. Traits that were, unfortunately, replicated in the dugout as well as on the pitch. That game was crying out for an attacking substitution with 25-30 minutes to go to give us a bit of impetus, but we had to wait until 8 minutes from time before any changes were made. The only positive is that Pardew took off the three worst performers.

 

Lancashire is clearly not up to it - he's proven it on a number of occasions now. Get someone else in asap.

 

Wotton is clearly not up to it - he's also proven it on a number of occasions now. Get Hammond in asap, and possibly one other if AP's determined to ignore Simon Gillett.

 

Paterson isn't a right winger. While he had a shocker anyway, it's probably a bit harsh to single him out as he was being asked to do a job he's simply not up to doing. We had Jake Thomson on the bench - while he's far from the complete article, he at least plays wide on the right on a regular basis.

 

If Perry wasn't fit enough to play, why was he on the bench?

[Draino76]

We were losing after the first 9 minutes and we bring Rasiak on after 90 minutes.

 

AP ****ed up here. An under 10's manager is capable of identifying this.

[Rogerfryisalegend]

It was painful to watch, the formation was wrong, no passion, no energy, no ability, no composure. Lazy passes all over the place, can't tackle, a good day out ruined by crap football once again. One or two new players is not going to solve this, they need to get their heads sorted out, and fast, they looked like a scared bunch of boys.

[saintrich]

I thought Saturday was awful, but this managed to beat it in terms of ****ness.

 

dire.

[SaintNeil90]

Swindon were **** tonight, however the reason we lost is because we were even worse!

[sotonjoe]

pardew out

[Ewell]

Pardew's comments are very worrying. That is the heaviest 1-0 massacre I have ever had to endure. How we got out of that place only losing 1-0 I will never know. 3 or even 4 nil would not have flattered Swindon.

 

If I was Pardew I would stop talking ****e and look to sign their right back and right winger. They both ripped us to shreds all night. Then we will be going in the right direction. The team needs pace and an addition of at least 6-7 players with it.

 

One thing Torres said to me tonight which kind of stands out. We do not really know how good the Swindon keeper and back four are as we did not test them.

**** me he is right. What a shambles!

[ralph_wiggum]

He should have just said, we were rubbish, I know this, and I am trying to sort something out. I feel for the fans, but they need to be patient and understand the position I am in.

[SaintRichmond]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1760114,00.html

 

"There were some good performances this evening..."

 

Yeah - but not by any of our players Mr Pardew!

 

Did no-one tell him that it was Swindon who were wearing red ???

 

Talk about someone watching a different game .... it beggars belief:cool:

[SaintRichmond]

It was painful to watch, the formation was wrong, no passion, no energy, no ability, no composure. Lazy passes all over the place, can't tackle, a good day out ruined by crap football once again. One or two new players is not going to solve this, they need to get their heads sorted out, and fast, they looked like a scared bunch of boys.

 

Well of course the excuse will be that Pardew had never heard of Swindon, and hadn't a clue as to how they played .......

 

....Poor chap.... fancy not knowing ANYBODY in the game who would have had a look at them for him

 

IMHO, already, the excuses are sounding very thin:cool:

[northam soul]

I do not want to go manager bashing yet but what game was he at. We were lucky we didnt lose by 4 or 5 and we certainly didnt create anything of note all game.

We had a couple of headers that were never troubling their keeper and Lamberts free kick.

Ther only time there was any panic in their defence was in the last minute or so.

To say we should of got something from the game is unbelievable. If we had of snatched a draw it would of been totally un deserved and papered over the cracks or earthquake size craters as they are.

The formation just wasnt working and changes should of been made way way before he decded too.

[Brussels Saint]

Here's a question, why is that managers pretty much across all divisions and clubs simply dont see what the supporters see?

Managers have more experience in the game, coaching badges, know their players and see them in training every day. It's not just Pardew, but almost every manager I can think of. You would have thought with all that they would be able to make better decisions than the fanbase every time.

We all know he should drop Wotton but he does not - this must be based on something.

We never knew what WGS saw in Telfer.

Higginbottom at left back........ripley.........there are loads of examples just at our club and thousands at others.

 

Any idea why managers with all their knowledge make these decisions when it seems us, the fans, can get it right? (I'm honestly not having a pop at the fans here btw just in case it seems that way.)

[stevegrant]

IMHO, already, the excuses are sounding very thin:cool:

Anyone would think you were happy with that... :confused:

[RonManager]

Here's a question, why is that managers pretty much across all divisions and clubs simply dont see what the supporters see?

Managers have more experience in the game, coaching badges, know their players and see them in training every day. It's not just Pardew, but almost every manager I can think of. You would have thought with all that they would be able to make better decisions than the fanbase every time.

We all know he should drop Wotton but he does not - this must be based on something.

We never knew what WGS saw in Telfer.

Higginbottom at left back........ripley.........there are loads of examples just at our club and thousands at others.

 

Any idea why managers with all their knowledge make these decisions when it seems us, the fans, can get it right? (I'm honestly not having a pop at the fans here btw just in case it seems that way.)

 

I think the main reason is that the manager is in day to day, face to face contact with the players whereas we are not.

[ladysaint]

I do not want to go manager bashing yet but what game was he at. We were lucky we didnt lose by 4 or 5 and we certainly didnt create anything of note all game.

We had a couple of headers that were never troubling their keeper and Lamberts free kick.

Ther only time there was any panic in their defence was in the last minute or so.

To say we should of got something from the game is unbelievable. If we had of snatched a draw it would of been totally un deserved and papered over the cracks or earthquake size craters as they are.

The formation just wasnt working and changes should of been made way way before he decded too.

 

Totally agree with this we were very lucky not to have lost by 4 or 5 goals and 6 or 7 at Huddersfield. They are a very mediocre L1 team but still bullied us and had so much more pace that we did. I am still very disappointed with our performance last night.

[yorkiesaint]

I think he must be protecting the players and trying to take somthing positive out of the game. You can see he is worried by their fragile confidence. That said, we have seen time and time again that playing players out of position is rarely the answer.

 

We have to play to our strengths which for now means attacking and putting our best players on the pitch, ie raza or saga. Hammond may solve some of our midfield problems but there will still be times when he is unavailable. What then? It wil remind me of that season when we lost every game that carlton palmer didn't play!

 

Is Perry up for 2 games a week at his age, or is he injured? I hope this is why he was left out, because if he is rated lower than lancashire we need 2 CBs not one.

[.comsaint]

 

We have to play to our strengths which for now means attacking and putting our best players on the pitch, ie raza or saga...

 

Both Raza & saga want away - can't be arsed - and their performances/attitude show this. Neither should be allowed anywhere near the first team. We need a new striker sometime soon to play alongside Lambert with Paterson the back-up.

[Horley CTFC Saint]

I am guessing that AP was at a different game to the 2999 that I was with. If that was better than Huddersfield, then we must have been bad. What were the good performances? Only Harding came out with credit. Mellis is too lightweight, and the Swindon defenders were pushing him over for fun. Did Saga touch that ball when he came on? Why is Gillett on the bench? Rubbish, utter rubbish.

Not as bad a Brighton

[Bailey]

Hmm, it didn't sound as though we 'were on top' at any point last night, nor did it sound as though we created 'some good chances'. Concerning that Pards has come out with these comments, but then maybe he's just protecting the players and trying to improve their confidence. Still, in Pardew we trust.

[Cunning Stunt]

I'm normally one to not make rash conclusions from a bad performance but Jesus ****ing Christ, that was terrible.

 

No urgency, no ability, no communcation. Traits that were, unfortunately, replicated in the dugout as well as on the pitch. That game was crying out for an attacking substitution with 25-30 minutes to go to give us a bit of impetus, but we had to wait until 8 minutes from time before any changes were made. The only positive is that Pardew took off the three worst performers.

 

Lancashire is clearly not up to it - he's proven it on a number of occasions now. Get someone else in asap.

 

Wotton is clearly not up to it - he's also proven it on a number of occasions now. Get Hammond in asap, and possibly one other if AP's determined to ignore Simon Gillett.

 

Paterson isn't a right winger. While he had a shocker anyway, it's probably a bit harsh to single him out as he was being asked to do a job he's simply not up to doing. We had Jake Thomson on the bench - while he's far from the complete article, he at least plays wide on the right on a regular basis.

 

If Perry wasn't fit enough to play, why was he on the bench?

 

Completely agree with the above but i think we should have changed formation after 20-25 min's, and subs were needed at half time.

 

I am a big fan of SG and I am sure he must be wondering what the **** he has to do to get a game.