saint_stevo Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 B*llocks Clueless tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Haha I genuinely thought this was going to be a positive thread. Doh! I agree he didn't have a clue tonight and made some dreadful decisions but I'm still 100% behind him currently. Waaaaaay too early to be writing him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Lol, trust you to post some rash, ignorant ********. Good job i love you Stevo, thats why i can get away with calling you a c*nt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 3 games in....still building and adding to the squad...IMO, staying up this season is expected, but anything more than that is a bonus with starting -10! Let's just get behind the team, give it til Xmas, and then if we're still in a terrible position then maybe look at it then....PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 18 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 August, 2009 He was utterly ridiculous tonight. We had to roll our arms about, chant etc just to make him realise we could actually make a sub.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Pardew f**k off. Clueless. Can't motivate. Doesn't have a f**king clue. This isn't a wind-up, I genuinely believe he is f**king clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northant Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 He was utterly ridiculous tonight. We had to roll our arms about, chant etc just to make him realise we could actually make a sub.... Indeed, just stood with his arms folded all f**king game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2009 i agree Kaiser. iMO a sub shoulda come at about 50odd mins, it was not working, the formation was dodgy (he changed that after an hour or so, 40mins late.....) To just throw forwards at in in the dying minutes smacks of Burley.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 its worrying to see our perfect "dream scenarios" shatter.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2009 more worrying to see u agreeing with me........ good job Sodje is on his way tho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paul C Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Much much much too early to judge. AP is a decent manager trying to get our team playing again and limit the damage caused by the last couple of idiotic managerial appointments and poor player purchases. If you really think he can fix that in a few weeks then you are completely deluded. Theme tune to Gen-Y springs to mind IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Sadly, I agree with stevo. I don't want to get all "Pardew out" or anything, but he could have done ALOT more to help matters tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 i was screaming GET THAT PR!CK WOTTON OFF BRING GILLET ON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Sadly, I agree with stevo. I don't want to get all "Pardew out" or anything, but he could have done ALOT more to help matters tonight! Nor do i, but 3k or so saints fans could see we needed to change it up...... Rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Wotton is f*cking terrible, surely by now he has figured that out ??? I used to moan at jermain wright, now after seeing this useless lump i feel bloody sorry for the bloke, JW is like a superstar compared to him. I think pards is stuck at the moment, we are a team in transition, i would worry for the time being, i think we will be ok eventually, however i feel this seasons promotion is a long way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2009 im just hoping we are not to far adrift at the bottom after Xmas after watchin that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 i think pardew needs to release another statement after that bull**** of a post match interview and tell us why he didnt make subs earlier why gillet isnt playing and where holmes is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 and to think we are lucky to have a club. Give it time kiddies... Rome wasn't built in a day and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Once, just once can Saints get a new manager who can turn it around immediately, it happens all the time to other clubs, not us. Teams seem to get transformed overnight from useless-barely-win-a-corner to commanding stylish passing 2-0 winners when a new boss comes in, not us, same old dross for well over 5 years now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Nor do i, but 3k or so saints fans could see we needed to change it up...... Rubbish Sadly that's the most noise some made all night, 'sub, sub, sub'. Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Everybody, do the substitute dance... 1... 2... 3... waaaaaheeeeey... That was perhaps the worst thing about tonight. It wasn't like Pardew was making the best of a bad situation. Sometimes players give there all and fail, sometimes they're lazy but still pull it off. Sometimes a manager sucks every last drop out of what's available. Sometimes a manager assembles a tallented squad but utilises it poorly. Tonight we did none of these things. An apparently clueless manager with a crap squad full of players who looked like they couldn't give a hoot. There was nothing possitive what-so-ever about that display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 In Pards I trust - I had the misfortune of seeing every saints game last season -every one of our inglorious 46 league games; and I don't think people on the forum -while they ***** and moan- truly appreciate just how deep the rot runs (quite apart from all the off-field shenanigans). If they did, they would hold their fire and suspend doubts. At least for now... For me an important turning point was the new year when Wotte took over from JP and decided to sacrifice shape and go route one. It never felt like a sustainable ploy -and indeed it probably wasn't intended to be- but Wotte banked on it bigtime. As long as we had a bit of pace and power (Euell, BWP etc) and nous (Surman, DMG), we were able to nick points and grind out results with it. But apart from Ipswich away, I can't remember a game, even when we won where we truly delivered a team performance as we did under JP. And ultimately it caught up with us. I think we are still living under the influence of Wotte's diminishing-returns, kitchen-sink approach (absent the aforementioned players) and we won't shrug off that influence until we start winning and getting confidence from doing the simple things, passing and moving, in a winning team. The more we lose, the more the albatross of minus points hangs around players shoulders, the more route one will be the default comfort blanket for a team that's sh*t scared and reluctant to take responsibility. I don't how we can break this cycle but I do think that as long as the instinct is to go route one, we could take a pragmatic leaf out of Wotte's book and drop Lallana and Schneiderlin. Wotte experimented with them but realised that they were ineffective in a more direct setup. I'm not saying we should go long as a matter of choice, as a first-best solution (christ no!) but if that's what we're doing as a matter of habit, team selections should work with rather than against the grain in the short-term. Hopefullly, with results (however ugly) players would begin to loosen up and undoubted talents like Lallana and Schneiderlin could be reintroduced to a setup that truly allowed them to thrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Will Wotton become the new Jermaine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I'm surprised there aren't Charlton fans logging on here saying "I told you so." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 be tomorrow =[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgnorthSaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Pardew f**k off. Clueless. Can't motivate. Doesn't have a f**king clue. This isn't a wind-up, I genuinely believe he is f**king clueless. Give the bloke a chance - He has only just arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Give the bloke a chance - He has only just arrived. A chance? A CHANCE? He's had his chance. A month of pre-season and 3 games and we're not walking this league yet. It's a disgrace. You do realise that if he'd made the substitutions that the fans had wanted yesterday we would have won 3-1 don't you? Yet he was completely unable to see this FACT. Pardew OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I'm surprised there aren't Charlton fans logging on here saying "I told you so." Dont know about you, but they're sending me plenty of texts to that effect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Judge Pardew when he has HIS team and not Lowe's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Judge Pardew when he has HIS team and not Lowe's. It is his team he is the manager but does not appear at the moment to be up to the job. But of course that may change but only time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 It is his team he is the manager but does not appear at the moment to be up to the job. But of course that may change but only time will tell It is not HIS team it is a team of legacy players primed by Dutch defeatism and Lowe's ineptitude. WHEN he has 11 players who respond to him and either adopt his winning atitude or are sacked and replaced, then judge him. Best manager in this league IMHO, by a country mile. We just need him to be allowed to build HIS team... and SELL on or give away the crap he inherited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I'm 100% behinf Alan Pardew. Grow up you silly kids and get behind the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 It is his team he is the manager but does not appear at the moment to be up to the job. But of course that may change but only time will tell As i said in my other thread not even Fergie would get the players we have playing. Time the fans realised we are a club that has been **** for three years largely down to the players. For people to expect us to have gone from a relegation battling team stripped of all quality to a promotion team in the space of a month are obviously mental. The best players at this club based on performances this season other then Davis are Lambert,Murty and Harding. The rest have been garbage. The fact that three of those are new signings shows he knows what he is doing in my book. The fact that fans have already started to have a pop at him is laughable and a fine example of the culture we as a club have inherited from all that has happened over the past few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 It is not HIS team it is a team of legacy players primed by Dutch defeatism and Lowe's ineptitude. WHEN he has 11 players who respond to him and either adopt his winning atitude or are sacked and replaced, then judge him. Best manager in this league IMHO, by a country mile. We just need him to be allowed to build HIS team... and SELL on or give away the crap he inherited. You obviously have little idea of what you are talking about as long as you can blame Lowe everything is rosy Pardew was sacked from Charlton after failing to stop their decline and losing loads of games so far he has continued that trend with us Charlton now top of the League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glkdcdes Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 This is when the forum shows its bad side. When the idiots come out, spouting crap. Pardew needs time. There are so many issues, some obvious and some we dont even know about. These will take time to sort out. Of course we are all disapointed, no one wanted one point from 9. We do at last, i believe have a sound owner and i can see a lot of reasons why long term we will get better. I do wonder sometime though when i read some of the drivel on this forum if we deserve success. So come on everyone, try not to react badly to these results. Have faith and just support............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 You obviously have little idea of what you are talking about as long as you can blame Lowe everything is rosy Pardew was sacked from Charlton after failing to stop their decline and losing loads of games so far he has continued that trend with us Charlton now top of the League Your 100% right. We should not be appointing a manager who has taken pretty much 2 teams from lower leagues to the premiership and an fa cup final. He did poor at Charlton (who went on to do even worse once he was sacked). We should not be putting people like that in charge. Let's give Fergie a ring? Seriously am i the only one who thinks some supporters (if you can call them that) have lost all sense of reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glkdcdes Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Your 100% right. We should not be appointing a manager who has taken pretty much 2 teams from lower leagues to the premiership and an fa cup final. He did poor at Charlton (who went on to do even worse once he was sacked). We should not be putting people like that in charge. Let's give Fergie a ring? Seriously am i the only one who thinks some supporters (if you can call them that) have lost all sense of reality? no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Your 100% right. We should not be appointing a manager who has taken pretty much 2 teams from lower leagues to the premiership and an fa cup final. He did poor at Charlton (who went on to do even worse once he was sacked). We should not be putting people like that in charge. Let's give Fergie a ring? Seriously am i the only one who thinks some supporters (if you can call them that) have lost all sense of reality? The reality is we have a poor team and possibly a poor manager but that has still to be proven. But things may change however results apart from Hearts Pre Season were poor and that has continued in the League. A couple of wins will change the situation but I just feel we should be doing better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Nor do i, but 3k or so saints fans could see we needed to change it up...... Rubbish Yeah,a very frustrating night...I am willing to give it another 7/8 games,but it needs to show signs of improvement by then or Pardew will be on his way I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I don't think fans are blaming him for the squad of players he's inherited, but it's what he's doing with them that gripes. Why has Gillett not played? Why did we line up against an average side with an utterly negative 4-5-1 formation? Why weren't subs made far, far earlier? It may take him a while to shape his own team, but when a game is slipping away and the opposition keeper has barely had anything to do, it doesn't take a tactical genius to see that the lacklustre 11 on the field needed shaking up with some changes. I'm not going to be part of the "Pardew Out" brigade, but he needs to start showing a bit of common sense, otherwise he will lose the fans quickly. I pray that the side he puts out against Brentford shows more heart, guile and mobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Sadly, I agree with stevo. I don't want to get all "Pardew out" or anything, but he could have done ALOT more to help matters tonight! +1. I'm 100% behinf Alan Pardew. Grow up you silly kids and get behind the club. It is all very well getting behind the club, nobody is doing otherwise. I am not, for a second, suggesting we get rid of him but that doesn't mean we cannot discuss how he is getting on. And last night he was terrible. How can you be one down for as long as we were without changing something? How can you play one up front for so long without it working? So long in fact that the one striker ends up coming deep for the ball all the time and you end up one nil down and playing a 4-6-0 formation. Obviously I don't want him gone, or anything like that. It is just frustrating watching your team struggle with little or nothing happening on the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Lowe's team? Kids? Lucky to have a club? Even if it isn't fully AP's team, do we expect him to get a new 11 in then? And it was not hard to see it wasn't working, so why wait so late to make changes, both tactically and personell. Just because i dont sit there and clap, look around and think 'wow i'm glad i still have a club, i don't mind playing crap, spending a load of money following the club and losing, as long as i have my club to support' doesn't mean my opinion lacks maturity, i say it how i see it, and AP was inept last night, looked lost and as though he didnt have a clue. Worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true-saint-keit Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 DELUDED. Three games in, two of them away from home and people are already calling for the managers head. A lot of people on this board don't deserve to still have a club to support. We have a major rebuilding job to be done which IS going to take years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I'm a believer in giving people a chance but Im becomming worried that the method AP gets his message across to the players in training is not helping them at all. At first I thought YESSss shove a rocket up there arses AP but on 2nd thoughts these players need serious confidence help not screaming like I witnessed non stop when I attended his first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Whatever - but he kept a clueless Paterson on last night with Raziak and Saga on the bench. There is no point making the changes in the last 5 minutes after 90 minutes of dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2009 DELUDED. Three games in, two of them away from home and people are already calling for the managers head. A lot of people on this board don't deserve to still have a club to support. We have a major rebuilding job to be done which IS going to take years. Not calling for AP's head, just suprised/amazed/shocked at how long it took for him to see it wasn't working And as for the part ii have bolded......why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Waaaaaay too early to be writing him off. I'm in the 'give it time' camp (for now...) but A manager either has tactical nous or he doesn't. That's not an attribute that Pardew needs "time" to acquire. What takes time is for the players to adjust to his approach but, from whatpeople have observed, he didn't appear to get the tactics right last night, not even close by many accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Everyone needs to clam the **** down - ok I wasn't there to winess the dross and kudos to those that did travel but expectations are far too high and as I've said before finishing 1 point above relegation albeit the very least I would expect but I'd still be happy, not too long ago we didn't have a pot to p1ss in. We're virtually starting from scratch with every element of the club in transition - it needs time to grow and we need to adjust are sights or we're going start putting undue pressure on a work in progress. With all the intensity of the buyout now over I guess something like this was always going to fill the void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Once, just once can Saints get a new manager who can turn it around immediately, it happens all the time to other clubs, not us. Teams seem to get transformed overnight from useless-barely-win-a-corner to commanding stylish passing 2-0 winners when a new boss comes in, not us, same old dross for well over 5 years now... Selective memory. Have you forgotten how low we had sunk after Burley went and Dodd & Gormley took over. Pearson managed to obtain visible improvements in a fairly short time. The defence that had leaked like a sieve became hard to beat, the levels of fitness seemed to improve and the team spirit also improved. Just to prove that it wasn't a fluke, Pearson then went on to Leicester, a team just relegated like us who had a management merry-go-round the season before. I suspect that there was a lot of dross amongst the players there too and poor team spirit. He managed to turn that around quite quickly too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 DELUDED. Three games in, two of them away from home and people are already calling for the managers head. A lot of people on this board don't deserve to still have a club to support. We have a major rebuilding job to be done which IS going to take years. Come on - don't you realise that everyone on here is a top-class football manager with long successful careers? They all know better than AP, especially after the game has ended. It's so obvious that a new manager should instantly transform a team. Look at Lawrie Mac. Oh, he got us relegated in his first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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