Saints Fans

[converted_saint]

Both Nicola Cortese and Alan Pardew declared that the Saints fans were a key factor in their decisions to come to the club but I do sometimes wonder which fans whetted their appetite.

 

I've been thinking about this for a good few months, and after the cup game last night now feel compelled to share my disappointment in what I am witnessing week in, week out.

 

Last night, the atmosphere at SMS, for a gate of 12,000, was fantastic and obviously demonstrates that the club has many passionate supporters. Yet, this passion all too often overspills into negativity and pessimism, as was the case last night. For the majority of the game, the fans got behind the team 100% but as soon as we conceded, all of what I could hear from those around me were shouts of disapproval and condemnation, which leads me to wonder when these fans (in the small minority I hope) are going to wake up, smell the coffee and be realistic. Yes, the last few years have been utter hell, but it beggars belief just how quickly the feeling of euphoria following ML's takeover and Pardew's appointment has dissipated. Suddenly, just because we have an owner with money and a manager with nous, many fans expect the situation to instantly be righted and for us to be flying. Naturally, with an inflated expectation such as this, these people are going to be disappointed, very disappointed.

 

I just could not believe the abuse being thrown at the players last night once we'd conceded and gone behind, at players who had all contributed to playing a strong team off the park. Those responsible appear to have very short memories...only 6 months ago we were in danger of extinction with a terrible chairman, terrible manager and terrible squad. We now have an excellent chairman, an excellent manager and the makings of an excellent squad. And still people find room to moan and criticise.

 

For the benefit of the team, all Saints fans need to unite, get 100% behind the team, 100% of the time and accept that we are very much a work in progress. Abandon the negativity, it achieves absolutely nothing.

[skintsaint]

Well im convinced

[stardustonmyfeet]

We are certainly not the worst fans in the world, but if we really believe that our attitude was key in bringing in St. Liebherr et al, we must be some of the most deluded.

[trousers]

Both Nicola Cortese and Alan Pardew declared that the Saints fans were a key factor in their decisions to come to the club but I do sometimes wonder which fans whetted their appetite.

 

I've been thinking about this for a good few months, and after the cup game last night now feel compelled to share my disappointment in what I am witnessing week in, week out.

 

Last night, the atmosphere at SMS, for a gate of 12,000, was fantastic and obviously demonstrates that the club has many passionate supporters. Yet, this passion all too often overspills into negativity and pessimism, as was the case last night. For the majority of the game, the fans got behind the team 100% but as soon as we conceded, all of what I could hear from those around me were shouts of disapproval and condemnation, which leads me to wonder when these fans (in the small minority I hope) are going to wake up, smell the coffee and be realistic. Yes, the last few years have been utter hell, but it beggars belief just how quickly the feeling of euphoria following ML's takeover and Pardew's appointment has dissipated. Suddenly, just because we have an owner with money and a manager with nous, many fans expect the situation to instantly be righted and for us to be flying. Naturally, with an inflated expectation such as this, these people are going to be disappointed, very disappointed.

 

I just could not believe the abuse being thrown at the players last night once we'd conceded and gone behind, at players who had all contributed to playing a strong team off the park. Those responsible appear to have very short memories...only 6 months ago we were in danger of extinction with a terrible chairman, terrible manager and terrible squad. We now have an excellent chairman, an excellent manager and the makings of an excellent squad. And still people find room to moan and criticise.

 

For the benefit of the team, all Saints fans need to unite, get 100% behind the team, 100% of the time and accept that we are very much a work in progress. Abandon the negativity, it achieves absolutely nothing.

 

Is it still ok to slag off Gillett though...?

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=415965#post415965

 

;-)

[Wilko]

I've always thought we were a bunch of ****s.

[converted_saint]

Is it still ok to slag off Gillett though...?

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=415965#post415965

 

;-)

 

That's a qualified opinion. there's a difference between that and brainless negativity.

[Legod Third Coming]

I've always thought we were a bunch of ****s.

 

I've always thought the rest of you were.

[JustMike]

Is it still ok to slag off Gillett though...?

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=415965#post415965

 

;-)

 

hahaha good find!!

 

All i could hear last night after we had goe behind was moaning (quite rightly too) at the ref, who was very bad. If things had got to how bad you say, why then was there a standing ovation at the end? Mabe one or two expect too much and will moan no matter what but thats football / life / both

[niceandfriendly]

The one thing I was really impressed with last night was the fact that despite letting in two goals the atmosphere didn't lull and the fans stayed behind the team right until the final whistle, and then at full time the teams got a great applause.

 

I'm really confused at how the OP saw this to be negative? :S

[Didcot Saint]

Sometimes i think it's utter frustration at drawing/loosing games from leading positions. Everyone there last night knew we deserved to win, but the same outcome even though we were up against a so called "Premier League" team perhaps leads to absolute despondancy and a feeling of when are we ever going to get a win? Most of the crowd are behind Saints or they surely would'nt bother turning up.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

To be fair, the fans gave the team a standing ovation.

 

You go to any stadium in the world, and when someone concedes people criticise. It's in our human nature.

 

Or maybe it's some sort of phsycological thing, eh St Will?

[kpturner]

There was none of this negativity and abuse in Block 10 - just the usual stand-up ranting and bellowing of "cheat" at the referee by the grey-haired, grey bearded, spectacled gentleman in row U. He keeps us all amused - I wonder if he posts on here?

[Crab Lungs]

I've always thought we were a bunch of ****s.

 

Have to agree, actually.

[Sussex Saint]

While it's understandable to some degree after the recent turmoil we've it's a pretty damning indictment of some of the fans. My better half is a geordie and I've been to many Toon games over the last 15 years and I can't ever remember the same negative abuse being heaped on the Newcastle players.

[St Will]

To be fair, the fans gave the team a standing ovation.

 

You go to any stadium in the world, and when someone concedes people criticise. It's in our human nature.

 

Or maybe it's some sort of phsycological thing, eh St Will?

 

*Clears throat* Well, the truth is, people can choose what they decide to think. It doesn't matter what happens to you, you can choose to think in any way you like. Too many people choose to think negatively when something negative happens, whether that be a player playing poorly, a bad refereeing decision, or whatever. I firmly believe that successful people, in sports, business and elsewhere, choose to think positively in the face of adversity. They'll find something good out of what happened, and focus on that. Last night, there are 2 ways to react to what happens. ***** and moan at the referee, feel hard done by because decisions didn't go our way, look at who made the mistakes for the goals....etc etc. Or, you could walk out with your head held high, thinking we dominated a premiership team for 70 odd minutes, without the help of the ref, also feeling good about how we're starting to show we're a solid team, thinking about all the good individual performances, the great goal etc etc.

 

I think, having read this forum for so long now, that too many of our fans concentrate their energy on the negatives too much....even when things are really sh1te, there will always be SOMETHING positive to take from a game or a season. Even if it's a tiny, tiny thing. Positive people surrounding the pitch in the stands will, whether you believe it or not, have nothing but a positive effect on the players. And even if you think that you thinking negatively will have no effect, then why not just think positively anyway, it'll make you feel better, if not have any effect on the team. I cannot understand, for one second, why people make excuses for thinking negatively, just so they can justify it. Anyone would think they WANT to be unhappy.

 

It's not about being happy clappy. But why would anyone CHOOSE to think negatively?!

 

That's my opinion anyway

[explorer saint]

Both Nicola Cortese and Alan Pardew declared that the Saints fans were a key factor in their decisions to come to the club but I do sometimes wonder which fans whetted their appetite.

 

I've been thinking about this for a good few months, and after the cup game last night now feel compelled to share my disappointment in what I am witnessing week in, week out.

 

Last night, the atmosphere at SMS, for a gate of 12,000, was fantastic and obviously demonstrates that the club has many passionate supporters. Yet, this passion all too often overspills into negativity and pessimism, as was the case last night. For the majority of the game, the fans got behind the team 100% but as soon as we conceded, all of what I could hear from those around me were shouts of disapproval and condemnation, which leads me to wonder when these fans (in the small minority I hope) are going to wake up, smell the coffee and be realistic. Yes, the last few years have been utter hell, but it beggars belief just how quickly the feeling of euphoria following ML's takeover and Pardew's appointment has dissipated. Suddenly, just because we have an owner with money and a manager with nous, many fans expect the situation to instantly be righted and for us to be flying. Naturally, with an inflated expectation such as this, these people are going to be disappointed, very disappointed.

 

I just could not believe the abuse being thrown at the players last night once we'd conceded and gone behind, at players who had all contributed to playing a strong team off the park. Those responsible appear to have very short memories...only 6 months ago we were in danger of extinction with a terrible chairman, terrible manager and terrible squad. We now have an excellent chairman, an excellent manager and the makings of an excellent squad. And still people find room to moan and criticise.

 

For the benefit of the team, all Saints fans need to unite, get 100% behind the team, 100% of the time and accept that we are very much a work in progress. Abandon the negativity, it achieves absolutely nothing.

 

Saints fans and fans of other clubs for their team have been the same for the last 30 years thats as far as my memory goes back!

Football gives us all a chance for a good moan and just now and then we can get all excited, this is what supporting your team is all about get over it and enjoy it

[converted_saint]

*Clears throat* Well, the truth is, people can choose what they decide to think. It doesn't matter what happens to you, you can choose to think in any way you like. Too many people choose to think negatively when something negative happens, whether that be a player playing poorly, a bad refereeing decision, or whatever. I firmly believe that successful people, in sports, business and elsewhere, choose to think positively in the face of adversity. They'll find something good out of what happened, and focus on that. Last night, there are 2 ways to react to what happens. ***** and moan at the referee, feel hard done by because decisions didn't go our way, look at who made the mistakes for the goals....etc etc. Or, you could walk out with your head held high, thinking we dominated a premiership team for 70 odd minutes, without the help of the ref, also feeling good about how we're starting to show we're a solid team, thinking about all the good individual performances, the great goal etc etc.

 

I think, having read this forum for so long now, that too many of our fans concentrate their energy on the negatives too much....even when things are really sh1te, there will always be SOMETHING positive to take from a game or a season. Even if it's a tiny, tiny thing. Positive people surrounding the pitch in the stands will, whether you believe it or not, have nothing but a positive effect on the players. And even if you think that you thinking negatively will have no effect, then why not just think positively anyway, it'll make you feel better, if not have any effect on the team. I cannot understand, for one second, why people make excuses for thinking negatively, just so they can justify it. Anyone would think they WANT to be unhappy.

 

It's not about being happy clappy. But why would anyone CHOOSE to think negatively?!

 

That's my opinion anyway

 

Bang on. I think part of the problem, certainly at SMS, is that the fans anticipate a defeat and that transfers onto the players. I know it's hard after the years of crap we've had to endure but I really did think that with a great owner and a great manager the fans would react postively. In far too many cases, this has not been the case.

[St Will]

Bang on. I think part of the problem, certainly at SMS, is that the fans anticipate a defeat and that transfers onto the players. I know it's hard after the years of crap we've had to endure but I really did think that with a great owner and a great manager the fans would react postively. In far too many cases, this has not been the case.

 

Exactly, just because sh1t happened last season, last game, whatever, it does not mean, at all, that it''s going to happen again. If anything, people should be thinking "well, the players are learning all the time, so the chances of us doing the same as last time are a lot less".

 

Just because the bird you had in uni gave you the clap, doesn't mean your new girlfriend will do the same.

[Thedelldays]

I think we have the best fans in the world™

[converted_saint]

Exactly, just because sh1t happened last season, last game, whatever, it does not mean, at all, that it''s going to happen again. If anything, people should be thinking "well, the players are learning all the time, so the chances of us doing the same as last time are a lot less".

 

Just because the bird you had in uni gave you the clap, doesn't mean your new girlfriend will do the same.

 

Indeed. We've now got a manager who knows where our weaknesses are and is doing something about them. I can't remember having that before in recent times. The future's bright, the future's Pardew!

[mcjwills]

Exactly, just because sh1t happened last season, last game, whatever, it does not mean, at all, that it''s going to happen again. If anything, people should be thinking "well, the players are learning all the time, so the chances of us doing the same as last time are a lot less".

 

Just because the bird you had in uni gave you the clap, doesn't mean your new girlfriend will do the same.

 

It alright as long as you have the penicillin, just tell everyone it for a throat infection.

 

We are slowly improving, and I never slag the team as a whole down during a game, I may let certain individuals know if they are pants, but will not slag or under any circumstances boo the team off, that just isn't cricket old chap.

Edited 26 August, 2009 by mcjwills

[converted_saint]

It alright as long as you have the penicillin, just tell everyone it for a throat infection.

 

yes but then you'd be accused of sucking c*ck...

[ulstersaint]

That's a qualified opinion. there's a difference between that and brainless negativity.

 

So you have 'qualified opinions' and others indulge in 'brainless negativity'? Very convenient.

[St Will]

It alright as long as you have the penicillin, just tell everyone it for a throat infection.

 

We are slowly improving, and I never slag the team as a whole down during a game, I may let certain individuals know if they are pants, but will not slag or under any circumstances boo the team off, that just isn't cricket old chap.

 

I only slag off players if they show lack of effort. If they do something wrong, I don't. Why? Well I'm 99.9% sure they don't MEAN to give the ball away, or hit a shot wide. Imagine if you worked in an office and every time you made a typing error, the paper clip dude in MS Office popped up and said "you f**king useless c**t!"....it wouldn't help you make less typing errors, would it?!

[converted_saint]

So you have 'qualified opinions' and others indulge in 'brainless negativity'? Very convenient.

 

I understand that people have differing opinions and this is very healthy, but those who are being negative this early on in Pardew's reign are brainless.

[Red&White]

Converted saint spot on mate an intelligent post !

[kpturner]

Converted saint spot on mate an intelligent post !

Which post?

[lordswoodsaints]

Another post about 'how lucky we are to have a club to support' and another dig at the fans......surprise sur fookin prise.

The problem with us fans is that we have a had sh1t time for the last few years and it seems (even if things have changed) that the world is still against us.

I think we have all accepted that it isn't going to change overnight but the progress is agonisingly slow and we need something to feel positive about,which at the moment isn't happening.

There are now a lot of fans who chose not to attend last season and didn't have to put up with the sh1t I and many others had to endure,so please forgive us for not being over positive about this season.

[John B]

Another post about 'how lucky we are to have a club to support' and another dig at the fans......surprise sur fookin prise.

The problem with us fans is that we have a had sh1t time for the last few years and it seems (even if things have changed) that the world is still against us.

I think we have all accepted that it isn't going to change overnight but the progress is agonisingly slow and we need something to feel positive about,which at the moment isn't happening.

There are now a lot of fans who chose not to attend last season and didn't have to put up with the sh1t I and many others had to endure,so please forgive us for not being over positive about this season.

 

Yes I agree every time I think things are going to get better they dont

 

Last night Before Murty got injured I thought we were going to win but we did not

 

Perhaps we will win three in a row but I doubt it I dont think that is being negative only realistic

[CB Fry]

While it's understandable to some degree after the recent turmoil we've it's a pretty damning indictment of some of the fans. My better half is a geordie and I've been to many Toon games over the last 15 years and I can't ever remember the same negative abuse being heaped on the Newcastle players.

 

 

 

This will be the same mega-positive Geordie fans that walked out of St James Park rather than applaud the last-game lap of honour Bobby Robson's team gave because they were disgusted they "only" finished fifth in the league that season?

 

And not a grumble, gripe or even slight complaint has been heard by any Toon fans since. Not a whisper.

 

 

 

 

Football fans in grumbling at conceded goal shock. It's an outrage and has only ever happened in Southampton. Ever.

[trousers]

Converted saint spot on mate an intelligent post !

 

Which post?

 

This one....?

 

14-08-2009, 08:41 AM

converted_saint

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Join Date: Jul 2009

Location: New Forest

Posts: 62

 

 

I'm in the camp that thinks Gillett's sh*te.

[kpturner]

This one....?

I tee them up, and you put them away

[Glasgow_Saint]

2 facts for you all......

 

I am the best and most positive Saints fan

 

snails have 4 noses

 

Both facts are free

[St Will]

Another post about 'how lucky we are to have a club to support' and another dig at the fans......surprise sur fookin prise.

The problem with us fans is that we have a had sh1t time for the last few years and it seems (even if things have changed) that the world is still against us.

I think we have all accepted that it isn't going to change overnight but the progress is agonisingly slow and we need something to feel positive about,which at the moment isn't happening.

There are now a lot of fans who chose not to attend last season and didn't have to put up with the sh1t I and many others had to endure,so please forgive us for not being over positive about this season.

 

Well, as long as you're happy....!

[kpturner]

2 facts for you all......

 

I am the best and most positive Saints fan

 

snails have 4 noses

 

Both facts are free

Do you have any facts that cost money for us too?

[Glasgow_Saint]

Do you have any facts that cost money for us too?

 

Emus Can't Walk Backwards.

 

£1 please

[team-saint]

There was an absolute dickhead sat near me last night. Spent the entire came abusing the players, abusing the ref and shouting "Cmon Sagers". He though he was the commentator and the manager. Unsurprisingly he was alone.

[kpturner]

Emus Can't Walk Backwards.

 

£1 please

In the post

[converted_saint]

This one....?

 

now read the rest of my post...

 

"he's got heart and he's up for the battle and while those are good qualities, you also need a bit of skill and I really don't think he's got what it takes. I totally disagree with those who think he was our best player last season (behind kelvin) because every time I saw him (so, every home game), I thought he was lightweight and gave the ball away virtually every time it was in his possession."

 

an opinion, backed up by evidence, instead of the usual doom and gloom crap that gets written on here by far too many about relegation, whether Pardew's the right man for the job etc. etc.

[brightspark]

I hate these threads. They pop up a lot at the moment. The reason is simple... Southampton has been possibly the worst club to support in the entire football league in the last 5 years. So, fans are frustrated, unhappy, and, just maybe for once, see their team actually play well and give us something to look forward to.

 

NOBODY CAN COMPARE US TO FANS OF A LOT OF OTHER CLUBS (exceptions: leeds, charlton, norwich) because we have gone through major pain recently, and it will take time for this pain to be healed in terms of the fans anger. So shut up about the fanbase being poor, please, because we've all kind of had enough and you can't expect everyone to keep quiet and be patient when we've been falling and falling for the last 5 years.

[Thedelldays]

I hate these threads. They pop up a lot at the moment. The reason is simple... Southampton has been possibly the worst club to support in the entire football league in the last 5 years. So, fans are frustrated, unhappy, and, just maybe for once, see their team actually play well and give us something to look forward to.

 

NOBODY CAN COMPARE US TO FANS OF A LOT OF OTHER CLUBS (exceptions: leeds, charlton, norwich) because we have gone through major pain recently, and it will take time for this pain to be healed in terms of the fans anger. So shut up about the fanbase being poor, please, because we've all kind of had enough and you can't expect everyone to keep quiet and be patient when we've been falling and falling for the last 5 years.

clearly not...to be honest.

 

there are plenty of worse clubs to support than us..

 

try stockport

the cherries

rotherham

etc etc etc

[Ken Tone]

clearly not...to be honest.

 

there are plenty of worse clubs to support than us..

 

try stockport

the cherries

rotherham

etc etc etc

 

We *do* have a good fanbase that has stayed remarkably loyal though a rough patch , but TDD is right. If you think it's tough following Saints try Chester for recent pain, but overall my respect goes to the fans of any of those L2 clubs that everyone knows will never in their wildest dreams get higher than L1 for any lenght of time. To turn up regularly at Rochdale, Bury, Hereford, Chesterfield, torquay etc demands an amazing level of loyalty -- or is it merely masochism?

 

At least we can dream.

 

As to whingeing at the Brum game, there wasn't any at all near me in the Kingsland Centre, where the real hardcore fans sit ;-)

 

K.

[STEVEADAMS]

spot on

[um pahars]

Can you stop posting sensible stuff on here!!!!!!

 

This will be the same mega-positive Geordie fans that walked out of St James Park rather than applaud the last-game lap of honour Bobby Robson's team gave because they were disgusted they "only" finished fifth in the league that season?

 

And not a grumble, gripe or even slight complaint has been heard by any Toon fans since. Not a whisper.

 

As someone who has spent much time in Newcastle, Then I think I can say they are as fickle and moany as the rest of the footballing supporting fraternity.

 

I stood in the Paddock of the main stand years back in a spartan crowd and I've been there to witness backlashes under Gullit, Roeder, Allardyce, Souness and either Ardiles or Jim Smith (and looking at their first attendance this season they lost something like 16,000 supporters).

 

With the very, very odd exception, most football clubs and their supporters are the same i.e. optimismic, passionate, knee jerk, supportive, whingey and their attendance ebbs and flows along with the relative success and failure of their club.

 

Football fans in grumbling at conceded goal shock. It's an outrage and has only ever happened in Southampton. Ever.

 

Absolutely!!!!!!

 

And when the Birmingham game is being held up to show we have the worst fans then all I can say is a relatively good attendance combined with some very good support during the game and very good recognition at the end.

 

Of course there were some curses when we conceded, not least because we were dominating the game, but overwhelmingly the support on that night was supportive and positive.

[trousers]

now read the rest of my post...

 

"he's got heart and he's up for the battle and while those are good qualities, you also need a bit of skill and I really don't think he's got what it takes. I totally disagree with those who think he was our best player last season (behind kelvin) because every time I saw him (so, every home game), I thought he was lightweight and gave the ball away virtually every time it was in his possession."

 

an opinion, backed up by evidence, instead of the usual doom and gloom crap that gets written on here by far too many about relegation, whether Pardew's the right man for the job etc. etc.

 

So, just to clarify, it's OK to boo as long as one explains to the people one is sitting next to why one is booing?

[OldNick]

for 30 years we have been kicked in the guts.Having to enjure big beatings by 6-7-8 goals.A high percentage of late goals against us, never being ever to hang on to a lead , never knowing whether we would turn up and play well, terrible away form and I think there was a survey that had us losing more games than any other club over a long period. So that is why the fans get so peeved when we let in yet another equaliser/losing goal.I may add i dont get on the team, but it is probably as i am used to disappointment now

[John B]

for 30 years we have been kicked in the guts.Having to enjure big beatings by 6-7-8 goals.A high percentage of late goals against us, never being ever to hang on to a lead , never knowing whether we would turn up and play well, terrible away form and I think there was a survey that had us losing more games than any other club over a long period. So that is why the fans get so peeved when we let in yet another equaliser/losing goal.I may add i dont get on the team, but it is probably as i am used to disappointment now

 

However in the years before 1979 we had large wins especially at the Dell the most famous in 1965 9 3 v Wolves and also scored last minute goals in the FA CUP

 

 

1963 Sixth Round David Burnside

 

1976 Third Round (I think) Hughie Fisher

[Wes Tender]

Yet, this passion all too often overspills into negativity and pessimism, as was the case last night. For the majority of the game, the fans got behind the team 100% but as soon as we conceded, all of what I could hear from those around me were shouts of disapproval and condemnation, which leads me to wonder when these fans (in the small minority I hope) are going to wake up, smell the coffee and be realistic.

 

I don't know where you sit, but please be careful not to be confused by those shouts of disapproval and condemnation. They could very well have been shouts of anguish, disappointment, anger at the referee, condemnation of the cynical physicality of the Brum players, frustration at not being awarded penalties we deserved, any number of alternative reactions that you might have misinterpreted.

 

I was in the heart of the Northam and didn't hear much in the way of negativity at all. In fact, I was very heartened that as soon as Brum scored their goals, we almost instantaneously started up the chants of support again. The overall reaction after the match might have been tinged with disappointment that we lost, sadness that the Brum victory had taken place largely as a result of the injury inflicted on Murty, but the major feeling that I perceived was one of optimism that we had given Brum a nasty shock and that for over 70 minutes we were the team that looked to be the top flight outfit, not them.

[OldNick]

However in the years before 1979 we had large wins especially at the Dell the most famous in 1965 9 3 v Wolves and also scored last minute goals in the FA CUP

 

 

1963 Sixth Round David Burnside

 

1976 Third Round (I think) Hughie Fisher

I believe we have taken more beatings than an escort at a Max Mosley party. 8-0 everton 7-0 leeds 7-2 Liverpool the list is endless it seems.That has formed my mindset over the years and I like many when we were 3 up v Leeds a few seasons ago said to a friend we might get a draw now. Time has eroded any faith in our club winning and that mind set really will be hard to shift.I had hoped that the young players coming throuh had a winning mindest ande so would be more hardened against losing. it seems that was a forlorn hope.

[John B]

I believe we have taken more beatings than an escort at a Max Mosley party. 8-0 everton 7-0 leeds 7-2 Liverpool the list is endless it seems.That has formed my mindset over the years and I like many when we were 3 up v Leeds a few seasons ago said to a friend we might get a draw now. Time has eroded any faith in our club winning and that mind set really will be hard to shift.I had hoped that the young players coming throuh had a winning mindest ande so would be more hardened against losing. it seems that was a forlorn hope.

 

Well lets face it we have not had many outstanding players in the last fifteen years