Pardew's OS Reactions to results

[Professor]

Am I alone in having a sense of Deja Vue over the comments posted on the OS under Pardew's Reaction? Maybe the common factor is that the piece could be written for him by the same author who has done these items in the past for Wotte, JP, Pearson and Burley.

 

"We should have won" is probably the view of every manager in the league except when their team gets a sound thrashing, but drawn games, or one goal defeats can always be looked at with an "If only" attitude. If only our keeper had saved their goal and if only their keeper had failed to keep out one of our chances.

 

I genuinely think the current squad will start to perform better soon as we do have some good players in there, but even without the -10, we would be in the bottom 5, so I don't think luck can be the only factor at the moment. Maybe Pardew can't say more in public, but it would be nice to have a more in-depth assessment of why the team, or certain players, are not yet playing well enough.

[Saint_clark]

I read it as "before the game I felt we should win".

[St Will]

Am I alone in having a sense of Deja Vue over the comments posted on the OS under Pardew's Reaction? Maybe the common factor is that the piece could be written for him by the same author who has done these items in the past for Wotte, JP, Pearson and Burley.

 

"We should have won" is probably the view of every manager in the league except when their team gets a sound thrashing, but drawn games, or one goal defeats can always be looked at with an "If only" attitude. If only our keeper had saved their goal and if only their keeper had failed to keep out one of our chances.

 

I genuinely think the current squad will start to perform better soon as we do have some good players in there, but even without the -10, we would be in the bottom 5, so I don't think luck can be the only factor at the moment. Maybe Pardew can't say more in public, but it would be nice to have a more in-depth assessment of why the team, or certain players, are not yet playing well enough.

 

If the results and the performances etc are the same, then the reaction can only be the same!

[Topcat]

..... but even without the -10, we would be in the bottom 5, so I don't think luck can be the only factor at the moment.

 

We would be joint 17th with our goal difference of -1.

[alpine_saint]

Am I alone in having a sense of Deja Vue over the comments posted on the OS under Pardew's Reaction? Maybe the common factor is that the piece could be written for him by the same author who has done these items in the past for Wotte, JP, Pearson and Burley.

 

"We should have won" is probably the view of every manager in the league except when their team gets a sound thrashing, but drawn games, or one goal defeats can always be looked at with an "If only" attitude. If only our keeper had saved their goal and if only their keeper had failed to keep out one of our chances.

 

I genuinely think the current squad will start to perform better soon as we do have some good players in there, but even without the -10, we would be in the bottom 5, so I don't think luck can be the only factor at the moment. Maybe Pardew can't say more in public, but it would be nice to have a more in-depth assessment of why the team, or certain players, are not yet playing well enough.

 

You are not the first person to comment on the haunting familiarity of APs comments compared to Burley's.

 

However, Burley is still coming out with the same sh*te for the Sweaties, so I reckon it really is the manager mentality rather than a common ghost-writer.

[JustMike]

i think AP sums it well tbf. The shirts at the end was a nice touch too. Was well impressed with the number we had there too. Good effort. Although the guy in front off me was a complete ****er, moaned about every single saints player throughout and was even calling for AP to be sacked

[sadoldgit]

You are not the first person to comment on the haunting familiarity of APs comments compared to Burley's.

 

However, Burley is still coming out with the same sh*te for the Sweaties, so I reckon it really is the manager mentality rather than a common ghost-writer.

 

Still harping on about a past manager eh Apline? At least we had a measure of success under him and won football matches - something that Pearson, JP, Wotte and Pardew have all struggled to do.

 

Still, why let that spoil a perfectly good agenda eh?

 

To recap, when Burley left we were closer to the play offs than relegation and comfortably a mid table side.

 

We are now struggling in the 3rd divison and, at this rate, will be fighting relegation to what is really the 4th Divison.

 

And all you can do is harp on about Lowe and Burley.

 

You must be a wow at Christmas every year.

 

If things were so much better now I might think that you had a point but you don't seem to get the point all the way over there in Austria, but things are much worse now.

 

You might prefer to support a team struggling to win games in the 3rd Divison than one that was within a whisker of gaining promotion...but I know which period I prefer.

 

I think Tim Burton should make a film about you Alpine. You truly are a bizarre piece of work.

[alpine_saint]

Still harping on about a past manager eh Apline? At least we had a measure of success under him and won football matches - something that Pearson, JP, Wotte and Pardew have all struggled to do.

 

Still, why let that spoil a perfectly good agenda eh?

 

To recap, when Burley left we were closer to the play offs than relegation and comfortably a mid table side.

 

We are now struggling in the 3rd divison and, at this rate, will be fighting relegation to what is really the 4th Divison.

 

And all you can do is harp on about Lowe and Burley.

 

You must be a wow at Christmas every year.

 

If things were so much better now I might think that you had a point but you don't seem to get the point all the way over there in Austria, but things are much worse now.

 

You might prefer to support a team struggling to win games in the 3rd Divison than one that was within a whisker of gaining promotion...but I know which period I prefer.

 

I think Tim Burton should make a film about you Alpine. You truly are a bizarre piece of work.

 

Do you EVER write anything different ?

[lordswoodsaints]

I havnt read it as I can't be arsed and it is usually the same old 'we should have won and things will get better' ******.

I know it is a big ask to get a manager to criticise his players but they get paid well enough to be able to take a bit of stick,if you're sh1te you're sh1te and nothing is going to change that but perhaps some of the players need to be told that they are sh1te so they can work on improving themselves,perhaps the fear of being dropped might get them to pull their finger out of their arses,they need somebody to fear and perhaps pardew isn't scary enough.

[sadoldgit]

Do you EVER write anything different ?

 

More importantly, do you???

[alpine_saint]

More importantly, do you???

 

You really need to try to deal with your unhealthy obsession with my posts.

[alpine_saint]

I havnt read it as I can't be arsed and it is usually the same old 'we should have won and things will get better' ******.

I know it is a big ask to get a manager to criticise his players but they get paid well enough to be able to take a bit of stick,if you're sh1te you're sh1te and nothing is going to change that but perhaps some of the players need to be told that they are sh1te so they can work on improving themselves,perhaps the fear of being dropped might get them to pull their finger out of their arses,they need somebody to fear and perhaps pardew isn't scary enough.

 

Some people will argue on here that a manager can scare his players in private whilst defending them in public.

 

I dont buy that at all. If I were a player and a manager slagged me off to my face yet defended me to the death in public, I'd think he didnt mean it really.

 

If I were a manager and were peed off with a given player, I would couch my public tones very neutrally or would offer no comment to direct questions.

[lordswoodsaints]

Some people will argue on here that a manager can scare his players in private whilst defending them in public.

 

I dont buy that at all. If I were a player and a manager slagged me off to my face yet defended me to the death in public, I'd think he didnt mean it really.

 

If I were a manager and were peed off with a given player, I would couch my public tones very neutrally or would offer no comment to direct questions.

 

Players should know when they have been crap and as a result should work harder to improve for the next game.

If they don't know they have played well when it is obvious they have then they need to be told, otherwise they will just continue to be bad in a delusional way.

The problem is the ponces are surrounded by people who will never dare to critisize them regardless of how they play and that needs to change,pardew needs to tell them what he expects and if they don't deliver then they should be rejected.

[St. Jason]

Am I alone in having a sense of Deja Vue over the comments posted on the OS under Pardew's Reaction? Maybe the common factor is that the piece could be written for him by the same author who has done these items in the past for Wotte, JP, Pearson and Burley.

 

"We should have won" is probably the view of every manager in the league except when their team gets a sound thrashing, but drawn games, or one goal defeats can always be looked at with an "If only" attitude. If only our keeper had saved their goal and if only their keeper had failed to keep out one of our chances.

 

I genuinely think the current squad will start to perform better soon as we do have some good players in there, but even without the -10, we would be in the bottom 5, so I don't think luck can be the only factor at the moment. Maybe Pardew can't say more in public, but it would be nice to have a more in-depth assessment of why the team, or certain players, are not yet playing well enough.

 

I like AP's press conferences and to be honest i don't think I'd like him to come out and say "Melis missed an absolute sitter". It's a team game, we win as a team and loose as a team (or if your saints Draw as a team) I don't think it does any good publicly slating anyone.

 

I feel he does say we under performing, he often says we are lacking pace and width, he has also stated publicly that we weren't strong at the back which his has now strengthened!

 

COYR

[St. Jason]

Players should know when they have been crap and as a result should work harder to improve for the next game.

If they don't know they have played well when it is obvious they have then they need to be told, otherwise they will just continue to be bad in a delusional way.

The problem is the ponces are surrounded by people who will never dare to critisize them regardless of how they play and that needs to change,pardew needs to tell them what he expects and if they don't deliver then they should be rejected.

 

Do you really believe that post mate??

 

Do you really believe that all the coaches just pander to our pampered players??

 

I'm, pretty sure that seeing as it is Pardew's job on the line that if a player is not performing he will be told exactly that. I run my own company and I'd never publicly slam a employee, if he's under performing he comes to to my office and is told directly what my problem is, what I expect from him and what improvements he needs to make to perform to the standard I require. Publicly slating people undermines everything, all obviously in my own opinion mate :-)

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Although I am at present a little underwhelmed at our performances this season I do think AP pushes all the right buttons as far as his communication goes. His piece in the Echo this week after the poor Reserves' performance was interesting and pulled no punches.

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1807314,00.html

 

So he talks the talk but the question is can he walk the walk?

 

The next 2 home matches will go some way to answering the above.

[St. Jason]

Although I am at present a little underwhelmed at our performances this season I do think AP pushes all the right buttons as far as his communication goes. His piece in the Echo this week after the poor Reserves' performance was interesting and pulled no punches.

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1807314,00.html

 

So he talks the talk but the question is can he walk the walk?

 

The next 2 home matches will go some way to answering the above.

 

To be honest I still think its still a little early to judge him, even after the next 2 games. I Think we need to keep things in perspective, he had no pre-season, he's still putting HIS team together. Only just got the dominant centre back he's been after. Give him time, i have absolute faith in him. He's impressed me at the fans forum, he seem's to have a vision for the future, the futures bright, the futures red and white ;-)

[hectors house]

I'm struggling to understand this thread. Crikey over the last few years we have had plenty to moan about and maybe it's a habit some fans cannot get out of?

There's little doubt in my mind that Pardew pulls no punches in how he manages the players. He has this week criticised the players as a group regarding their mind set following last weekends win. He has on several occasions this season singled out Schneiderlin for not performing at a level that AP feels he should do. In the interview after yesterdays match I was left in no doubt that he thought Mellis should have scored and he needs to take his chances if we wants to be a top player. I'm also sure that what AP says in public will differ to what he will tell a player (and the team) in private - and that is what I would expect. I'm not suggesting that AP is perfect but he strikes me as an intelligent bloke who understands how and when to criticise (and praise) players to get the best out of them. I am sure this will be different for each player and personally I have no reason not to trust AP to get this right most of the time.

[Matthew Le God]

We would be joint 17th with our goal difference of -1.

 

No, we would be 18th. Yeovil have a better record.

[Ashby Saint]

Although I am at present a little underwhelmed at our performances this season I do think AP pushes all the right buttons as far as his communication goes. His piece in the Echo this week after the poor Reserves' performance was interesting and pulled no punches.

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1807314,00.html

 

So he talks the talk but the question is can he walk the walk?

 

The next 2 home matches will go some way to answering the above.

 

AP comes across well and talks the talk. Unfortunately, football managers are judged on their results and by anyones standards (except poopey) this is a very poor start. If we don't get 4 points from the next two games then I think Pardew will need to start looking over his shoulder a bit more.

[Alain Perrin]

i think AP sums it well tbf. The shirts at the end was a nice touch too. Was well impressed with the number we had there too. Good effort. Although the guy in front off me was a complete ****er, moaned about every single saints player throughout and was even calling for AP to be sacked

 

I thought Alpine_Saint didn't get to many games?

[alpine_saint]

I thought Alpine_Saint didn't get to many games?

 

Very witty.

 

Please indicate where I have called for AP to be sacked.

[yorkiesaint]

I know this is a cynical view, but it's important to consider the point of having a manager's post match reaction on the OS. The main point is to play a role in ecouraging the most fans possible to go to the next home game. In the main it will be considered that more people wil come if they expect a positive performance. Hence after a mediocre performance you will always see managers putting a positive shine on things, in the hope it convinces more people to attend. I don't think it is reasonable to extrapolate to the manager's actual view on the game.

[kpturner]

AP comes across well and talks the talk. Unfortunately, football managers are judged on their results and by anyones standards (except poopey) this is a very poor start. If we don't get 4 points from the next two games then I think Pardew will need to start looking over his shoulder a bit more.

That is one opinion I guess. Mine is that his job is (and should be) as safe as houses for at least a season (crap results or not).

[david in sweden]

I'm struggling to understand this thread. Crikey over the last few years we have had plenty to moan about and maybe it's a habit some fans cannot get out of?

There's little doubt in my mind that Pardew pulls no punches in how he manages the players. He has this week criticised the players as a group regarding their mind set following last weekends win. He has on several occasions this season singled out Schneiderlin for not performing at a level that AP feels he should do. In the interview after yesterdays match I was left in no doubt that he thought Mellis should have scored and he needs to take his chances if we wants to be a top player. I'm also sure that what AP says in public will differ to what he will tell a player (and the team) in private - and that is what I would expect. I'm not suggesting that AP is perfect but he strikes me as an intelligent bloke who understands how and when to criticise (and praise) players to get the best out of them. I am sure this will be different for each player and personally I have no reason not to trust AP to get this right most of the time.

 

 

 

A good item hectors house.

Lawrie McMenemy used to say that footballers are only people and ..." you need to kiss some and kick the others ".

 

I'm sure that AP speaks his mind to players in private, and if they don't pull their weight he'll tell them so...though perhaps not in the same tone to everyone. Naturally we all accept that not everyone plays well every game (noted yesterday was the first game that (some) thought Hammond was... less that brilliant).

 

Obviously AP wouldn't pick someone he didn't think was capable of DAGJFU, but if the player disappoints he won't run to the Echo and blame him publicly, and I'm sure one or two know that know they have to perform better in order to keep their place(s). I think he knows what he's doing and will get them doing it right ..eventually.

 

Missing all these chances is annoying but i recall a fun story from " my Dell days" In commenting on goalscorers, we all were amazed looking back to the season (now 50 years ago) when CF Derek Reeves scored 39 league goals..and a few in the Cup.

WOW !!..we thought, only to be brought down to Earth by the moaning voice of a pensioner behind us ....

" Yes, he said 39 goals ....but he missed 100 ! " .

 

(We may not see 39 goals from anyone, but I'm sure it 'll be more fun when we really get in gear.) COYR !!!!

Edited 27 September, 2009 by david in sweden

[Professor]

Having looked through the responses, I usually agree with a lot that SOG says, but this time I think he may have misjudged Alpine. The point Alpine made about there being almost a standard 'manager mentality' looks close to the truth to me. Can't blame AP for that but it does make the after match responses very predictable

[Clifford Nelson]

Although I am at present a little underwhelmed at our performances this season I do think AP pushes all the right buttons as far as his communication goes. His piece in the Echo this week after the poor Reserves' performance was interesting and pulled no punches.

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1807314,00.html

 

So he talks the talk but the question is can he walk the walk?

 

The next 2 home matches will go some way to answering the above.

 

There are still a few important cogs missing for AP to put out a really competitive team. We still need wide players with pace and somebody in midfield together with Hammond who will give him the confidence to get himself into the box. He is a proven goalscorer, so is Lambert and so is Saga. About Waigo we know virtually nothing.

[St_Tel49]

Having looked through the responses, I usually agree with a lot that SOG says, but this time I think he may have misjudged Alpine. The point Alpine made about there being almost a standard 'manager mentality' looks close to the truth to me. Can't blame AP for that but it does make the after match responses very predictable

I suspect that managers are contractually obligated to talk to the press. Every week they have to say something whether they want to or not. My guess is that you, I , Alpine, SOG, old uncle Tom Cobley and all would have difficulty in coming up with something new to say every single week. I think WGS was one of the few who could be original in an interview.

Edited 27 September, 2009 by St_Tel49
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[aintforever]

That is one opinion I guess. Mine is that his job is (and should be) as safe as houses for at least a season (crap results or not).

 

Can't agree with that. For all the talk of progress, we are still 10 points adrift of safety and have only won 1 game. Yes we have not had a pre-season but Pardew has had money to spend that most clubs in this league can only dream about - he needs to start getting results soon.

[lordswoodsaints]

Do you really believe that post mate??

 

Do you really believe that all the coaches just pander to our pampered players??

 

I'm, pretty sure that seeing as it is Pardew's job on the line that if a player is not performing he will be told exactly that. I run my own company and I'd never publicly slam a employee, if he's under performing he comes to to my office and is told directly what my problem is, what I expect from him and what improvements he needs to make to perform to the standard I require. Publicly slating people undermines everything, all obviously in my own opinion mate :-)

 

I'm not saying a player should be ridiculed in public but it is obvious that certain players have been/are underperforming,pardew should have done exactly what you have suggested,if he hasn't then there is a problem,if he has then there is still a problem as the players are not responding,this is either a problem with the players attitudes or a problem with pardews communication skills.

Players know what sort of game they have played and what they need to do to improve,last week I played and had a shocker,I came on for the second half with the score 2-2,within a couple of minutes I gave away a penalty,10 minutes later I knocked the ball out for a corner when I could have knocked it out for a throw in and they scored from the corner,losing the game 4-2.It was obvious I had a bad game,I apologised,took the criticism and I also went away determined to improve for yesterdays game,I ran myself into the ground,scored within 2 minutes in a hard fought game and we ended with a good point.

I don't play football for a living and it doesn't really matter if I play well or not,I don't affect the lives if thousands of fans just the other players in my team,so why don't the players have the same determination and fight that I do? After all it is their living.

 

There is no hunger,there is no determination to succeed,there is no fight because the players are pampered ponces,their pay packets heavily outweigh there effort and it is not effected by their shortcomings on the field.

Players should be given a few games to turn it around otherwise they should be rejected and replaced by players who will,their wages should also be cut to reflect their inability to perform,this should kick start their hunger.

[SNSUN]

Without the -10 our team would only be a few points away from Swindon, just outside the playoff places. Even with the -10 we're undefeated in 6 games and have one of the strongest teams in the League, with the January window to come, and loans that can be brought in.

 

I'm not worried yet, but 6 points would be luvverly this week.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by hectors house

There's little doubt in my mind that Pardew pulls no punches in how he manages the players. He has this week criticised the players as a group regarding their mind set following last weekends win. I'm not suggesting that AP is perfect but he strikes me as an intelligent bloke who understands how and when to criticise (and praise) players to get the best out of them. I am sure this will be different for each player and personally I have no reason not to trust AP to get this right most of the time.

A good item hectors house.

Lawrie McMenemy used to say that footballers are only people and ..." you need to kiss some and kick the others ".

 

I'm sure that AP speaks his mind to players in private, and if they don't pull their weight he'll tell them so...though perhaps not in the same tone to everyone. Naturally we all accept that not everyone plays well every game (noted yesterday was the first game that (some) thought Hammond was... less that brilliant).

 

Obviously AP wouldn't pick someone he didn't think was capable of DAGJFU, but if the player disappoints he won't run to the Echo and blame him publicly, and I'm sure one or two know that know they have to perform better in order to keep their place(s). I think he knows what he's doing and will get them doing it right ..eventually.

 

Sorry for the editing, but some of the points you bring up I believe are very pertinent.

 

I could not have been more impressed with Pardew listening to the Solent fans forum, a very intelligent, articulate guy. This got me thinking of comparisons with previous Saints managers, especially our most successful, LM. To me LM is a horror of a person when given power, bully, ego the size of planet, petty and vendictive. Without doubt he defered to some of the more experienced players, but not a lot. But when you consider who you are working with and what requires to be done, I will take the LM's every day of the week for position as manager.

 

The majority of players have the attention span of a newt and even with a decent IQ, find it to hard to kick into gear. They will come in line far quicker with someone like LM than they will do with Pardew. Sometimes even when you get the tactics wrong. If you are all singing from the same hymn sheet you can still get a success. These exact same reasons are why I would never consider him in a role such as DOF. Where does this leave Pardew? Well without being able to put the fear of god into the players or a genital tazer attachment, he is going to take longer when treating the players like adults and explaining things rationally. It's just going to take longer but I would put money on him getting there eventually. During one section of a contructed and detailed reply during the fans forum, I could easily see your average player asleep or looking out the window.

 

This does leave a weakness that Pardew has in the past which was highlighted by the recent dispute with O'Niel and Reo-Coker at Aston Villa. Compare that with Pardew and Reo-Coker during his time at West Ham.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-421908/Pardew-lost-dressing-room.html

 

I don't really have a problem with Pardew, but he has disappointed to what I expected. Cortese / Liebherr can do very little wrong in my book, so who ever they see fit to manage the team is ok by me and following on from that the manager gets that free pass. I may not necessarily agree with every point, but any decision I happily fall in behind Cortese.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Sorry for the editing, but some of the points you bring up I believe are very pertinent.

 

I could not have been more impressed with Pardew listening to the Solent fans forum, a very intelligent, articulate guy. This got me thinking of comparisons with previous Saints managers, especially our most successful, LM. To me LM is a horror of a person when given power, bully, ego the size of planet, petty and vendictive. Without doubt he defered to some of the more experienced players, but not a lot. But when you consider who you are working with and what requires to be done, I will take the LM's every day of the week for position as manager.

 

The majority of players have the attention span of a newt and even with a decent IQ, find it to hard to kick into gear. They will come in line far quicker with someone like LM than they will do with Pardew. Sometimes even when you get the tactics wrong. If you are all singing from the same hymn sheet you can still get a success. These exact same reasons are why I would never consider him in a role such as DOF. Where does this leave Pardew? Well without being able to put the fear of god into the players or a genital tazer attachment, he is going to take longer when treating the players like adults and explaining things rationally. It's just going to take longer but I would put money on him getting there eventually. During one section of a contructed and detailed reply during the fans forum, I could easily see your average player asleep or looking out the window.

 

This does leave a weakness that Pardew has in the past which was highlighted by the recent dispute with O'Niel and Reo-Coker at Aston Villa. Compare that with Pardew and Reo-Coker during his time at West Ham.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-421908/Pardew-lost-dressing-room.html

 

I don't really have a problem with Pardew, but he has disappointed to what I expected. Cortese / Liebherr can do very little wrong in my book, so who ever they see fit to manage the team is ok by me and following on from that the manager gets that free pass. I may not necessarily agree with every point, but any decision I happily fall in behind Cortese.

 

An excellent and balanced post - thanks.

Reading that link does worry me a tad about Pardew however.

I hope he has learnt from past mistakes.

I think he has some very good points but I also think he had (emphasis on had) some bad ones too!

[John B]

Sorry for the editing, but some of the points you bring up I believe are very pertinent.

 

I could not have been more impressed with Pardew listening to the Solent fans forum, a very intelligent, articulate guy. This got me thinking of comparisons with previous Saints managers, especially our most successful, LM. To me LM is a horror of a person when given power, bully, ego the size of planet, petty and vendictive. Without doubt he defered to some of the more experienced players, but not a lot. But when you consider who you are working with and what requires to be done, I will take the LM's every day of the week for position as manager.

 

The majority of players have the attention span of a newt and even with a decent IQ, find it to hard to kick into gear. They will come in line far quicker with someone like LM than they will do with Pardew. Sometimes even when you get the tactics wrong. If you are all singing from the same hymn sheet you can still get a success. These exact same reasons are why I would never consider him in a role such as DOF. Where does this leave Pardew? Well without being able to put the fear of god into the players or a genital tazer attachment, he is going to take longer when treating the players like adults and explaining things rationally. It's just going to take longer but I would put money on him getting there eventually. During one section of a contructed and detailed reply during the fans forum, I could easily see your average player asleep or looking out the window.

 

This does leave a weakness that Pardew has in the past which was highlighted by the recent dispute with O'Niel and Reo-Coker at Aston Villa. Compare that with Pardew and Reo-Coker during his time at West Ham.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-421908/Pardew-lost-dressing-room.html

 

I don't really have a problem with Pardew, but he has disappointed to what I expected. Cortese / Liebherr can do very little wrong in my book, so who ever they see fit to manage the team is ok by me and following on from that the manager gets that free pass. I may not necessarily agree with every point, but any decision I happily fall in behind Cortese.

 

 

I always liked Lawries idea of a team with Roadsweepers and Violinists not sure AP has the same philosophy

[ottery st mary]

LM was a very good Manager and so is Alan Pardew......Some of my fellow posters could not manage a pint of beer...but as always stated.....opinions.....Some of us are full of shiiiiite.

[brmbrm]

....even without the -10, we would be in the bottom 5.....

 

Errrr, check the table. Professor at Portsmouth "University" I suppose.

[david in sweden]

Sorry for the editing, but some of the points you bring up I believe are very pertinent.

 

 

Didn't mind the editing, up and awat - I did cover more than a few points.

 

Speaking of the 1980's LMac period..he was dealing with very experienced international players. (the five England captains to start with)..and it was always in the air that they had the history - whereas LM's own prof. career was over before it started (injuries in the Army). However I think he did give them a little extra rope, but being profs. most of them knew where to draw the line. With some of the " lesser " / young players , LM did make an excellent job most of the time.

 

As for the current situation. I'd like a DOF (eventually) but NOT Lawrie Mac.

He still has hero status for many of us from the 1970-80's period, and I'm not even quite so bitter about the Sunderland escapade anymore, but his recent

PR coverage doesn't make him a suitable candidate....not ven sure about WGS ..maybe Coppell - if he 'd come.

 

Alan Pardew is a man on a mission and (as some have commented) hasn't found all the pieces yet..but IMHO he will before seasons end.

I think he's on the right track at least.

 

As for those who think we should get ex-Prem. types ..just look at the fiasco

at Notts County. Sol Campbell must have felt that he 'd landed on mars..or Hackney Marshes. No amount of money can make up for a real pro. downgrading himself 3 divisions. Thats why good L1 / CCC players are the

requirement at the moment, they don't have great expectations of the level.

Edited 27 September, 2009 by david in sweden

[Alain Perrin]

Very witty.

 

Please indicate where I have called for AP to be sacked.

 

Sorry! I was just referring to the first part of the sentence.....

[St. Jason]

I'm not saying a player should be ridiculed in public but it is obvious that certain players have been/are underperforming,pardew should have done exactly what you have suggested,if he hasn't then there is a problem,if he has then there is still a problem as the players are not responding,this is either a problem with the players attitudes or a problem with pardews communication skills.

Players know what sort of game they have played and what they need to do to improve,last week I played and had a shocker,I came on for the second half with the score 2-2,within a couple of minutes I gave away a penalty,10 minutes later I knocked the ball out for a corner when I could have knocked it out for a throw in and they scored from the corner,losing the game 4-2.It was obvious I had a bad game,I apologised,took the criticism and I also went away determined to improve for yesterdays game,I ran myself into the ground,scored within 2 minutes in a hard fought game and we ended with a good point.

I don't play football for a living and it doesn't really matter if I play well or not,I don't affect the lives if thousands of fans just the other players in my team,so why don't the players have the same determination and fight that I do? After all it is their living.

 

There is no hunger,there is no determination to succeed,there is no fight because the players are pampered ponces,their pay packets heavily outweigh there effort and it is not effected by their shortcomings on the field.

Players should be given a few games to turn it around otherwise they should be rejected and replaced by players who will,their wages should also be cut to reflect their inability to perform,this should kick start their hunger.

 

Maybe the players AP inherited were simply not good enough, you can train hard, run yourself into the ground and sweat blood but your not going to turn Pulis into Gerrard.

 

All I'm saying is, we need to give AP time to id the players he wants, to build the team as he see's fit. All the signings he's made have done well imo, Jahdi, Hammond, Trotman, Lambert Harding have all impressed me. We went to Carlisle Saturday, went 1-0 down then scored in the 95th min, thats a response we haven't had from players for years, if we'd had players like that 5 years ago we may of never been relegated from the Prem,. Boro, Everton, Villa, all we needed was players who could play to the last whistle.

[sadoldgit]

I always liked Lawries idea of a team with Roadsweepers and Violinists not sure AP has the same philosophy

 

A team of footballers would be a start!!!

[sadoldgit]

Some people will argue on here that a manager can scare his players in private whilst defending them in public.

 

I dont buy that at all. If I were a player and a manager slagged me off to my face yet defended me to the death in public, I'd think he didnt mean it really.

 

If I were a manager and were peed off with a given player, I would couch my public tones very neutrally or would offer no comment to direct questions.

 

Well apparently that is what Ferguson and Wenger do and they haven't done too badly have they?

 

As for your calling for Pardew to be sacked, it is only a matter of time.

[alpine_saint]

As for your calling for Pardew to be sacked, it is only a matter of time.

 

And if ? Others are already, and others will be if improvement isnt seen over the next few weeks.

[St. Jason]

Well apparently that is what Ferguson and Wenger do and they haven't done too badly have they?

 

As for your calling for Pardew to be sacked, it is only a matter of time.

 

Exactly right S O G, you don't get many of the top managers slating their own players.

 

Look at the effect Redknapp's public slating of Bent had??? No effect, the player was demoralised, swiftly left the club and has now scored 6 in 7 for his new club!!!

[Saint_clark]

And if ? Others are already, and others will be if improvement isnt seen over the next few weeks.

 

If they call for Pardew to be sacked in the next few weeks then they are retarded. That is all.

[Saint_Jonny]

not related but I CBA to make a thread about it, just watched the highlights on Saints player, what a pile of turd, less than 2 minutes, on saints tv you got almost 20 minutes sometimes. Sort it out FFS

[Charlie Wayman]

What was ever difficult about scoring goals? Even Saints used to knock 'em in by the shovel load back when. Eight games, one win, no goals from open creative play?Pardew is the problem no question. Blame the tools (players) by all means but the Poor Workman (manager) in this case will soon be the Poor Out-of-Work man if this nonsense isn't sorted out soon.

 

No easy games? Will we still be claiming that in the Wessex League.

 

Cortese has more patience than me that's for sure but failure to win both home games this week surely must signal "Time Up" for this incompetent management crew.

[Saint_clark]

not related but I CBA to make a thread about it, just watched the highlights on Saints player, what a pile of turd, less than 2 minutes, on saints tv you got almost 20 minutes sometimes. Sort it out FFS

 

Its not run by Southampton, its run by someone else - every team in the league has the same crap highlights.

[Saint_clark]

What was ever difficult about scoring goals? Even Saints used to knock 'em in by the shovel load back when. Eight games, one win, no goals from open creative play?Pardew is the problem no question. Blame the tools (players) by all means but the Poor Workman (manager) in this case will soon be the Poor Out-of-Work man if this nonsense isn't sorted out soon.

 

No easy games? Will we still be claiming that in the Wessex League.

 

Cortese has more patience than me that's for sure but failure to win both home games this week surely must signal "Time Up" for this incompetent management crew.

 

Ridiculous.

[Give it to Ron]

There you are Delldays....your answer in post 46 to no-one is calling for AP to be sacked.

You can't use that one anymore.

 

Mind you he is aso pathetic he can't get his facts right ...no goals from open play.....what about Hardings goal? Lallana at Charlton?

Some moan we never score from corners, set plays...personally I don't give a rats arse how we score as long as we do.

[St Marco]

So let's say we beat Bristol. That would then be 7 points from the previous 9, or 8 from the previous 12. Top 3 form.

 

Seeing as that would then represent 40% of our games would those complaining then conceed they are acting a bit ott?