dubai_phil Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 We have our hero Who is booked for a great day out We don't want to impose on his big day, so maybe we can have a decent fight and then beg him to ask one question on our behalf, The most important question (which doesn't have the answer 42) So I thought 1) Could Murty come on here and just tell us what they do in a typical day at training and how the players here last year compare the two experiences alternatively 2) Anthony Pulis. Why? ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 When does the billionairre become a millionairre? Because the sooner that happens the sooner we win the Champions League...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 3) Do they feel lucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 October, 2009 3) Do they feel lucky? lol :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 (edited) Good shout! Pulis...why? Whilst I am fully back in love with my club, attending more games than ever (even away, balancing my parental duties for my toddler), I love uncovering more and more facts kept hidden from us by the previous megalomaniac chairman & cohorts, clearly with a demented view on football & running blindfolded toward the proverbial cliff edge. I just want all the skeletons out the closet & those responsible rightly mocked & chastised...or just made to be seen as the people they really are & held responsible for the secret decisions they felt fans weren't worthy enough to know. Still, football & our success comes first but it would be nice to have a debrief & more details about the period a bunch of power hungry, clueless, egotistical muppets motorcycled into Southampton & nearly destroyed Southampton football club (while collecting salaries & previously large dividends) It would make an interesting book which we could read whilst on the train, sticking fingers up to ruddy faced business failures in Canary Wharf whilst laughing about our subsequent success in such a short time thanks to a small group of Swiss business men with no experience in football but far more brains, less arrogance, decent respect for fans, commitment & a strong desire to win...AMBITION! A word banned from SFC for well over a decade!! Sorry, couldn't resist having a soap box pop!! When in Rome... ;0) Edited 13 October, 2009 by Gordon Mockles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 Good shout! Pulis...why? Whilst I am fully back in love with my club attending more games than ever (even away, balancing my parental duties for my toddler), I love uncovering more and more facts kept hidden from us by the previous megalomaniac chairman & cohorts, clearly with a demented view on football & running blindfolded toward the proverbial cliff edge. I just want the all the skeletons out the closet & those responsible rightly mocked & chastised...or just made to be seen as the people they really are & held responsible for the secret decisions they felt fans weren't worthy enough to know. Still, football & our success comes first but it would be nice to have a debrief & more details about the period a bunch of power hungry, clueless, egotistical muppets motorcycled into Southampton & nearly destroyed Southampton football club (while collecting salaries & previously large dividends) It would make an interesting book which we could read whilst on the train, sticking fingers up to ruddy faced business failures in Canary Wharf whilst laughing about our subsequent success in such a short time thanks to a small group of Swiss business men with no experience in football but far more brains, less arrogance, decent respect for fans, commitment & a strong desire to win...AMBITION! A word banned from SFC for well over a decade!! Sorry, couldn't resist having a soap box pop!! When on Rome... ;0) The biggest skeleton to come out of the cupboard is why in 2004 we appointed Sturrock instead of Hoddle. This was the start of our freefall. However, a certain fans element would like this episode glossed over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 One minor problem with this quest...saintbletch is going to the end of season presentation, not the forthcoming trainging session. Apart from that, sterling idea, Jeff... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 October, 2009 Good shout! Pulis...why? Whilst I am fully back in love with my club attending more games than ever (even away, balancing my parental duties for my toddler), I love uncovering more and more facts kept hidden from us by the previous megalomaniac chairman & cohorts, clearly with a demented view on football & running blindfolded toward the proverbial cliff edge. I just want the all the skeletons out the closet & those responsible rightly mocked & chastised...or just made to be seen as the people they really are & held responsible for the secret decisions they felt fans weren't worthy enough to know. Still, football & our success comes first but it would be nice to have a debrief & more details about the period a bunch of power hungry, clueless, egotistical muppets motorcycled into Southampton & nearly destroyed Southampton football club (while collecting salaries & previously large dividends) It would make an interesting book which we could read whilst on the train, sticking fingers up to ruddy faced business failures in Canary Wharf whilst laughing about our subsequent success in such a short time thanks to a small group of Swiss business men with no experience in football but far more brains, less arrogance, decent respect for fans, commitment & a strong desire to win...AMBITION! A word banned from SFC for well over a decade!! Sorry, couldn't resist having a soap box pop!! When on Rome... ;0) Unlike many on here, I'm not a holder of a PHD in English, so what was the question? Fully agree with you but not sure Murty would 1) know 2) be allowed to tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 October, 2009 One minor problem with this quest...saintbletch is going to the end of season presentation, not the forthcoming trainging session. Apart from that, sterling idea, Jeff... :-) Typical Trousers, always the Detective :smt075 Mods - HELP need can you change the thread title to red&white56 But maybe SB can have the follow up for when we get the first answer (He says in a pathetic attempt to cover the fact he needs glasses) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 The biggest skeleton to come out of the cupboard is why in 2004 we appointed Sturrock instead of Hoddle. This was the start of our freefall. However, a certain fans element would like this episode glossed over. Errr, I think your Hoddle delusions are borderline obsession but I suppose you entertain. I don't want old news regurgitated, I just want the murky months that nearly killed us examined at an appropriate juncture as c*nts like Lowe seem obsessional control freaks that systematically destroy businsses for personal gain without a care for anyone but themselves. They then scurry away in the shadows (a la Askham, Wilde, esq.) & appear decidely mute which some may find odd considering their gasping need for media attention some 6 months earlier! Funny that! Don't like doing interviews with egg on the cheeks eh boys?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 (edited) So got carried away by my final meandering views, forgot the question! Lol Phil, I'm sure a man in your distinguished position has solid English knowledge which hasn't been diluted by constant Arabic. I'd ask about Saints use of 4-5-1 & what other options wound suit a striker of Lamberts ilk alongside a foil such as Connolly &, if we were to bring in 1 or 2 key players in Jan, would they be brought in under a proviso of giving us more pace/depth/versatility to alternate different tactical systems? Ouch! Edited 13 October, 2009 by Gordon Mockles Can't string a coherent post with iPhone typos tonight!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 Sorry for digressing old rubbish previously. Still a few sore points I'd like resolved. No rush, but one day. Back on topic...apologies! ;0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 October, 2009 So got carried away by my final meandering views, forgot the question! Lol Phil, I'm sure a man in your distinguished position has solid English knowledge which hasn't been diluted by constant Arabic. I'd ask about Saints use of 4-5-1 & what other options wound suit a striker of Lamberts ilk alongside a foil such as Connolly &, if would we bring in 1 or 2 key players in Jan, would they be brought in under a proviso of giving us more pace/depth/versatility to alternate different tactical systems? Ouch! Shukran Habibe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 Unlike many on here, I'm not a holder of a PHD in English, so what was the question? Fully agree with you but not sure Murty would 1) know 2) be allowed to tell Pulis, why? ;0) I started succinct & regressed into a massive digressional relapse!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 The biggest skeleton to come out of the cupboard is why in 2004 we appointed Sturrock instead of Hoddle. This was the start of our freefall. However, a certain fans element would like this episode glossed over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 The biggest skeleton to come out of the cupboard is why in 2004 we appointed Sturrock instead of Hoddle. This was the start of our freefall. However, a certain fans element would like this episode glossed over. You crack me up! ...just imagine what you'd have been like if we did reappoint him! you'd have hyperventilated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 You crack me up! ...just imagine what you'd have been like if we did reappoint him! you'd have hyperventilated... or broke into the manager's office & cracked one off!! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 Re Hoddle/Sturrock is there anyone still at the club from those days and if so would they really know and apart from Dalek does anyone else really care ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 3) Do they feel lucky? "You talkin' to me?" Or perhaps "Why am I here and not Red&White56?" As has already been pointed out I'm not going to Staplewood but am happy to ask some questions come the end of season dinner. And I'm hoping to do it in the style of Tubes' one question and one questions only on Soccer AM. "Oh Graeme, your quite fat, who in the squad is the biggest ****?" That sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkeith2 Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Assuming we're building a quality team that will easily avoid relegation, and assuming we are too far behind to get promoted this season, How can we seamlessly continue our progress next season?, can we avoid losing our quality players in Jan/ Summer (Hammond, Harding, Lambert, Lallana etc) to better (ie: higher placed) teams and risk a costly (points and money) re-rebuild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Re Hoddle/Sturrock is there anyone still at the club from those days and if so would they really know and apart from Dalek does anyone else really care ????? Of course it is important. If you trace back our fall from grace this was the key moment. Something very strange happened when the deal to bring Hoddle back to SMS was changed at the 11th hour. Even more important and bizzare was the decision to bring in a rookie from League 1 to manage an extablished and successful Premier club. Of course, there are some fans that may well have played a part in this decision that are sitting ver uncomfortably, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 The biggest skeleton to come out of the cupboard is why in 2004 we appointed Sturrock instead of Hoddle. This was the start of our freefall. However, a certain fans element would like this episode glossed over. If nothing else you are at least consistent, well done. Question- Will Dalek2003 ever know the truth behind the Hoddle appointment that never was ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 (edited) Of course it is important. If you trace back our fall from grace this was the key moment. Something very strange happened when the deal to bring Hoddle back to SMS was changed at the 11th hour. Even more important and bizzare was the decision to bring in a rookie from League 1 to manage an extablished and successful Premier club. Of course, there are some fans that may well have played a part in this decision that are sitting ver uncomfortably, Listen you complete imbecile...its been explained about 1000 times yet you still bleat on and on and on..... Club Member Posts: 3216 Joined: 13/08/2007 Glenn, Sam, and Rupert.. You may recall in the week running up to our great escape, I mentioned that I would be seeing Dave Hoddle(Glenn's uncle) and John Radford whilst I was in Bishops Stortford. We did meet up at the Bell in Stansted, although JR was only there for 20 mins or so, I did have a 2 hour conversation with Dave Hoddle. Inevitably the subject of Glenn, Rupert and Southampton came up. In the press there are stories of Rupert replacing NP with Glenn, or Sam Allardyce. So let's look at it, for what it's worth, thanks to Dave's input, I think we can dismiss both of these rumours. Rupert and Glenn are not so close as you would imagine.. 1..It still rankles Rupert the way Glenn left Southampton to join Spurs. 2..Glenn blames Lowe entirely, for the breakdown of his return here, prior to the Sturrock appointment. Yes, I know that fans resistance to Hoddle was blamed,and still is. But that's a myth, Rupert made the decision not to proceed, and since when has fan pressure influenced him? One or two directors voiced their nervousness of the appointment, but again since when did Lowe let that worry him? Rupert's decision was made entirely on a medical report, that still to this day, is very relevant to Glenn's ability to perform the day to day duties as team manager/coach. 3...Glenn Hoddle's only became aware that he hadn't got the appointment came when he saw the pictures of Sturrock on the pitch at SMS on TV. He immediately rang his agent to find out what was occurring, his agent then rang SFC to speak to Lowe. A row ensued, and Rupert was accused of betraying Glenn. He retorted that he (agent), and his client," were fine examples of loyalty considering the way he left in the first place" 4...Since then, the only contact that Glenn and Rupert has had, according to his uncle, have been at a couple of official functions. Both have been strained. With thanks to Patred Edited 14 October, 2009 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Of course it is important. If you trace back our fall from grace this was the key moment. 1Something very strange happened when the deal to bring Hoddle back to SMS was changed at the 11th hour. Even more important and bizzare was the 2 decision to bring in a rookie from League 1 to manage an extablished and successful Premier club. Of course, there are some fans that may well have played a part in this decision that are sitting ver uncomfortably, Well done - you're improving. You've managed to separate the two issues. The next step is recognising that point 2 is the important one, not point 1. Of course there are also a lot of people who think that repeating number 2 at an even more extreme level with Wigley was the real mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Rupert's decision was made entirely on a medical report, that still to this day, is very relevant to Glenn's ability to perform the day to day duties as team manager/coach. I don't recall hearing about this aspect of things. What exactly does it all mean? Had he lost the ability to lick Rupe's arse, or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Ask whether players came to the club assuming we would not get promoted this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 I don't recall hearing about this aspect of things. What exactly does it all mean? Had he lost the ability to lick Rupe's arse, or something? He has been told it time and time again yet ignores the fact that the fans had a minor part to play in this,,,,but that doesnt suit his agenda for the last 4 years! Does anyone honestly believe that if Lowe wanted him he wouldnt get him? Fans wanted Pearson what did we get Lowes Dutch farce! Dalek ignores Hoddles record since at Spurs and |Wolves as it stops his usual ****fest over his pin ups on his wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 The biggest skeleton to come out of the cupboard is why in 2004 we appointed Sturrock instead of Hoddle. This was the start of our freefall. However, a certain fans element would like this episode glossed over. If you're looking for a first, then think of the first early summer when he who should remain nameless lost Graeme Souness, who made it clear that the nameless one didn't know what he was talking about. For a banker it might have been a good idea to listen to a live manager and wisened old ex-manager, but it didn't happen then and it didn't happen later. Absolute arrogance was impossible to shift until the administrators walked through the door an awful many years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 The non-appointment of Hoddle has already been through the press. The board, reported Keith Wiseman and others, turned the idea down because of the way GH left us the first time around. Maybe not a good idea in retrospect, but there was certainly no secrets and conspiracies involved in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Some very god points. There are probably lots of truths in what was said. However, the protests made by a small minority of fans DID have a dsiproportionate effect on the decision NOT to appoint Glenn Hoddle. The medical theory is very hard to prove. The appoitment of Sturrock was a poor decision and was greeted by the players as thus. I will concede that if GH could not be appointed, then why PS, surely there were better candidates and we did not need to rush the appointment ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Some very god points. There are probably lots of truths in what was said. However, the protests made by a small minority of fans DID have a dsiproportionate effect on the decision NOT to appoint Glenn Hoddle. The medical theory is very hard to prove. The appoitment of Sturrock was a poor decision and was greeted by the players as thus. I will concede that if GH could not be appointed, then why PS, surely there were better candidates and we did not need to rush the appointment ! Please show me the PROOF that the "protests" had any effect whatsoever on the decision not to appoint GH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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