saintstr1 Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 I am just wondering how Marek must be feeling at the moment, He has had a very poor start to the season couldn't buy a goal and must be very dissappointed that Poland failed to Qualify for the World cup and now last Saturday cant even make the bench. For a experienced International Striker he must feel pretty down at the moment, especially with the euphoria over Connolly. Should he stay and fight for a place or just move on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon monkey Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Has been given chances, failed to deliver. Move the dead wood on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 He's had his chance(s). Not a lot of sympathy from me. Shame as I had a lot if time for him a couple of seasons ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 We'll keep him if he pays us back his wages for the last 12 months which appear to have been gathered under false pretences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Sometimes it happens that way - despite having the potential, the effort is not rewarded with the expected results (goals in Sagas case). He has been unfortunate with the organisational changes and in particular the Dutch experiment. He now needs to move on if he is serious about sorting out his career. I can see a move back to the Polish lower leagues if he doesn't sort himself out - I feel sure he will be released by AP as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymojo44 Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Mmmm.... Not sure on him all this time. Cracking loan spell then seemed to dip sharply. Real shame because i thought him and Rasiak would bang them in in the CCC but alas it was not to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 He's pretty rubbish and hopefully he'll be off in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Like to see him stay around and fight as we do not have have the greatest of luck with injuries. Plus we have a song about him! Pards seems to have a clear indication who he rates and who he does not, Gillett has gone when we are winning so his fans are very quiet, Saga will probably go as we are scoring a few goals now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 keep him as a sub. not been impressed, to be honest. only seems to buck up his ideas when new contract/transfer is in the offing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Its time for him to go, as simply he does not "fit" here at saints anymore. This is not to say, he is not a good player (which he is - at Euro 2008, he was probably the best player in a poor Polish team), or that he has not tried his hardest when playing or that he gave nothing to us during his spell here. Sometimes its just time for a player and club to move on and this is it. We should wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 19 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Seems to be a general feeling that we dont want him so get rid , I guess it depends on the guys make up and attitude. I just think it must be really difficult for him, less than 2 month ago he was playing International football and believing he would be going to the world cup and now he seems not wanted by a English third tier club , whilst I agree he has done very little recently I cannot help but feel there is still a good player there somewhere and with the right motivators could still be a quality player for SFC. I dont agree with those that say he is rubbish , You dont play for a team like Poland if you are rubbish , Lost his form , Lost his enthusiasm, Lost his way, yes probably but I wouldn't write him off yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Any idea of his current contract ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Agree with your statement..saintstr1.....If he could get fitter and return some enthusiasm for us/the game...he could be a VERY useful squad player come Nov/Dec/Jan when injuries/suspensions kick in...Come on Saga get back in amongst it...No one else wants him..ie money so we are all he has got.......The ball is in his court.....Do it for the Saints. COYRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 doubt he would want to stick around and fight for a place as a fringe player, and with that expect him to go, would love him to stay and focus on doing a job, as he clearly has some talent, but just cant see it. I wish him well though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Seems pretty obvious to me that he only plays when he feels the need to prove himself, and that usually coincides with his contract expiring. Wrong attitude, and we should see if we can sell him for anything in January as there's no point keeping him when he actually has a contract because talented though he clearly is, he rarely tries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 19 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 October, 2009 (edited) Agree with your statement..saintstr1.....If he could get fitter and return some enthusiasm for us/the game...he could be a VERY useful squad player come Nov/Dec/Jan when injuries/suspensions kick in...Come on Saga get back in amongst it...No one else wants him..ie money so we are all he has got.......The ball is in his court.....Do it for the Saints. COYRs. Exactly my feelings , he must be one of the highest paid in the first team squad and he needs someone or something to kickstart him.As I said there is a class footballer there somewhere. I watched him a couple of seasons ago at Celtic park when he played for Aalborg in the european cup and he was sheer class. Edited 19 October, 2009 by saintstr1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Spare a thought? For who? Starving children in Africa? No. The football player who earns loads a dosh for questionnable effort. Spare a thought my arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Its all very well saying "get rid" but if nobody wants him he isnt going anywhere. The only chance of him leaving in the near future is for someone to want him on loan.....but they dont appear to be beating down the door in a rush to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Exactly my feelings , he must be one of the highest paid in the first team squad and he needs someone or something to kickstart him.As I said there is a class footballer there somewhere. I watched him a couple of seasons ago at Celtic park when he played for Copenhagen in the european cup and he was sheer class. Mistaking Aalborg BK for Copenhagen is like mistaking Celtic for Rangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 19 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Spare a thought? For who? Starving children in Africa? No. The football player who earns loads a dosh for questionnable effort. Spare a thought my arse! I do not disagree with the sentiment but surely that is the sort of statement that applys to every footballer and a lot more beside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 19 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Mistaking Aalborg BK for Copenhagen is like mistaking Celtic for Rangers Sorry you are correct, to early in the morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 I dont agree with those that say he is rubbish , You dont play for a team like Poland if you are rubbish , Lost his form , Lost his enthusiasm, Lost his way, yes probably but I wouldn't write him off yet. But has he lost any weight? I agree he's not rubbish but last time I saw him he looked heavy and sluggish. It's down to him to follow Lambert's example, get fitter and get back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 But has he lost any weight? I agree he's not rubbish but last time I saw him he looked heavy and sluggish. It's down to him to follow Lambert's example, get fitter and get back in. I couldn't care if he's 20 stone if he looks like he wants to play for us, but he hasn't done so since 2007 with maybe 2 exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 If he fights for a place then he's worth keeping. If he doesn't, he's just another Winston Bogarde!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Other than his first few months trial over 2 seasons ago, he has Just not played for the shirt at all ! No thought for him has been spared by me and I would move him out as quick as possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 I don't have any sympathy for Saga. WHen we needed him at the start of the season he wasn't interested - despite new owners, manager, outlook etc. It is only the lack of interested parties that keeps him here and I am disappointed that he wasn't able / willing to start afresh - like we as fans are doing. If Saga had been interested and put in the effort from the start, I doubt that Pardew would have needed to go out and get another striker. But now that he has, i would much rather have a hungry and determined Connolly playing for us than Saga whose heart is not in it. In fact I find myself resenting Saga for taking the money and not putting in as much as he could for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 He's had his chance(s). Not a lot of sympathy from me. Shame as I had a lot if time for him a couple of seasons ago Pretty much how I see it, a strange scenario on the face of it. I don't think anyone can say (well yes I know they have but hey) that he hasn't applied himself when given the chance but for whatever reason his face doesn't fit. To bring in someone like Connolly who's hardly played in two years due to injury and is broadly a similar type of player to Saga shows that Marek really has no future here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 In answer to the thread title. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Fact is that Saga has enjoyed more goodwill from Saints fans than most other players. I've been amazed how quickly some arguably decent players have been slagged/written off while Saga's been seemingly untouchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 He's finished at Saints, the final nail was hammered in when a new striker who had been out for 2 years, was brought in - replacing him on the bench. The problem seems to be that no one wants to take him on, possibly because of his 8k p/w wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Should he stay and fight for a place or just move on? Its in his power to either fight for his place in training or fight for a move in training and then in matches. He seems happy to run the clock down on his contract and do neither. He's here for cover only now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redorwhitelion Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Always been indifferent to him, but he had a real opportunity at the start of this season to score a lot of goals. I couldn't question his motives with regards to contracts and money as I don't know the guy, but from a football point of view I have very little sympathy for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 He can 'polish' Rickie Lamberts boots.............. I'll get my jacket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 I am just wondering how Marek must be feeling at the moment, He has had a very poor start to the season couldn't buy a goal and must be very dissappointed that Poland failed to Qualify for the World cup and now last Saturday cant even make the bench. For a experienced International Striker he must feel pretty down at the moment, especially with the euphoria over Connolly. Should he stay and fight for a place or just move on? " Experienced International Strikers " are normally GOOD, that is why and how they become Internationals. The plain truth is that Saga has not been " Good " for quite some time, and, especially since Leibherr/Cortese/Pardew, has not recaptured anything like the form he once had IMHO, he let the "Mercenary " side of him take over, and the problem is, that to be Mercenary, you have to have something to "sell " in the first place .... Shame, HC(still)DAJFU if he put his mind to it:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 I think he needs to go out on loan or possibly release him as he is not good enough for the current squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 I think he needs to go out on loan or possibly release him as he is not good enough for the current squad the trouble with that is his salary, which must be huge in ratio to his performances for quite some time.He has the rest of this season left (I think) so he's probably isn't in any hurry to go anywhere for less money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Has been given chances, failed to deliver. Move the dead wood on. I cannot disagree with you, Saga's work rate is beyond reproach but his reading of the game is abysmal so that all that effort is counter productive. He is not going to be a 25 goals a season man ever so time for last orders. I have been very critical of Lambert and correctly called early on that he was about as fit as and useful as a donkey but he has corrected all of that and whatever I or any other critic thinks he scores goals and it's goals we want not honest endeavour. Sorry Saggy old mate but even 'though I want you to be a success you have not been and will not be here. Being "full of promise" must have a 'sell-by' date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 He's pretty rubbish and hopefully he'll be off in January. Thankyou for your thoughtful and analytical contribution. A pity this is only for Saints-related subjects, otherwise I would have sought your opinion on the Israel-Palestine conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Calling Saga "rubbish" is one of the most ridiculous things I have read on here in a while. He may have and attitude/motivation problem, but "rubbish" he aint. Its a real shame it hasnt worked out, he could have been a force-to-be-reckoned-with at this level if only he could have applied himself to the task at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint stu 20 Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 i dont understand why people jump on this bandwagon that hes some amazing world beater of a striker that should be guarenteed to play in our starting 11 or in the squad, 63 games 19goals isnt the best in the world, albeit not bad but the FACT is that we have better, he doesnt want to be here, hes shown no loyalty and we dont need him any more! i dont understand the whole singing for him when hes on the bench either?! him or lambert and now connolly, i think the latter 2 win everytime for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 I'm sure that the ball is firmly in his court as there can be no doubt that AP has informed him that he can go, either on loan or sale, come January. Clearly he is not prepared to take a drop in wages which means that he must be happier not playing than taking a cut ! Sad really cos this can only result in a downward spiral and nobody benefits, particularly himself ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 When Saga came to us on loan I thought he was a touch of class - and frankly too good for the team he was joining. Since then his form seems to have drifted away, whether it's a motivation thing or a gradual dwindling of fitness it's hard to say. I'd love to see him stay, fight for a place in the team and get back to the player he was, but I won't be heart broken if he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 I'm sure that the ball is firmly in his court as there can be no doubt that AP has informed him that he can go, either on loan or sale, come January. Clearly he is not prepared to take a drop in wages which means that he must be happier not playing than taking a cut ! Sad really cos this can only result in a downward spiral and nobody benefits, particularly himself ! It took Skacel about 4 months to find a new club (back at Sparta Prague) Pahars could only find some minor cypriot side to take him on. It's not as easy as it looks to get a new club when you've been border line for a couple of seasons,especially if you're looking for over the odds money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 I don't have any sympathy for Saga, he's had his chances but hasn't taken them. When he first joined he was excellent and if he had managed to maintain anywhere near that form then he'd be in our first 11 now. The guy has a questionable attitude IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 It took Skacel about 4 months to find a new club (back at Sparta Prague) Pahars could only find some minor cypriot side to take him on. It's not as easy as it looks to get a new club when you've been border line for a couple of seasons,especially if you're looking for over the odds money. A minor aside but I wouldn't exactly call Αnorthosis Famagusta minor. They are Champions league regulars and reached the group stages last year which is no mean feat. Ranked by Uefa higher than for example Genoa, Napoli, Hearts, Borussia Dortmund, Brondby, Grasshoppers Zürich, Dinamo Zagreb. They may play in a bit of a Mickey Mouse league in a minor international nation, but then so do Celtic and Rangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 A minor aside but I wouldn't exactly call Αnorthosis Famagusta minor. They are Champions league regulars and reached the group stages last year which is no mean feat. Ranked by Uefa higher than for example Genoa, Napoli, Hearts, Borussia Dortmund, Brondby, Grasshoppers Zürich, Dinamo Zagreb. They may play in a bit of a Mickey Mouse league in a minor international nation, but then so do Celtic and Rangers Correction accepted, but then again not the sort of move you'd have expected for the Marion Pahars of his heyday when,if I remember rightly, "big clubs" were trying to shower us with money for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SET Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Scored 9 in 10 games for me on the FM10 demo, so its got to be AP's fault saga's not scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 I am just wondering how Marek must be feeling at the moment, He has had a very poor start to the season couldn't buy a goal and must be very dissappointed that Poland failed to Qualify for the World cup and now last Saturday cant even make the bench. For a experienced International Striker he must feel pretty down at the moment, especially with the euphoria over Connolly. Should he stay and fight for a place or just move on? Why? Why does he require sympathy? He thought he was too good for this league, but found that no-one was williung to take his contrsact off our hands, and rather than going out and showing that he's too good for this league so as to make the best case for a new club to come get him, he's gone out and not played well enough for this league. He's still making the good money regardless, mind you. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. If he is indeed in a predicament, he pretty much has himself to blame for it: if he'd played up to his reputation & abilities on the field, he probably wouldn't be here any more: so why sympathize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carljack Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 He's pretty rubbish and hopefully he'll be off in January. He tore Wolves defence apart at Molyneux and scored a Hat Trick out of the Six we scored, Rubbish he certainly is not,I think its all too easy to forget the chaos behind the scenes since he joined us,in a long season we more than likely will need him at some point,especially with the injury list we have had in recent seasons. Saint till I die! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Too many of our past players have had more than adequate time (despite being pushed out under Lowe & more recently not playing much - this could be down to temperament) and just bring up "ifs" and "maybes". He's played enough games for us and look at his scoring record. Good when he was playing for a contract, complete sh*t thereafter. He may do well elsewhere but I think we're flogging a dead horse with him residing at St Mary's. Too much has happened and it's time for him to move on, start afresh. Not too much sympathy. After all, he's earned a lot of money for not that much work. Good work if you can find it. I much prefer the new influx, fresh start, mentally solid acquisitions that Pardew has brought in and kept in the right frame of mind. It's nice our management team now seem to pay attention to every detail (looking after players, astute training, fitness, mental well being, team spirit & not piling too much pressure on individuals) and nurture the squad in reasonable expectations (i.e. not telling an inexperienced kid he has the weight of the entire club on his shoulders and he's starting every game, regardless of performance). COYS - Long live the revolution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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