SO16_Saint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 There was just a report on BBC south today news about an increase in attacks on Home supporters when Saints visit. There were pictures of wanted people, but cant find a link. I think any real saints fan: a) woudn't do such a thing b) should tell the authorities if they know who is doing it We have had enough problems in the near past, without being put in the bracket of being a team with hooligans as fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think any real Saints fan should not grass on a fellow Saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think any real Saints fan should not grass on a fellow Saint. I think that such an attitude is childish and puerile. Any decent law abiding citizen should have a duty to report any law breaking, rather than follow some playground code in preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Photos back page of todays Echo, pretty sure the guy on the left will get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Photos back page of todays Echo, pretty sure the guy on the left will get caught. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think that such an attitude is childish and puerile. Any decent law abiding citizen should have a duty to report any law breaking, rather than follow some playground code in preference. Well said Wes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Dispicable behaviour. When I visit a city I do want the thought of a revenge attack just because I'm a lone Saints fan looking for a pint! It's not a matter of shopping a fellow Saints fan - these people are committing a crime...GBH/ABH or common assault. Why do people think it's acceptable just because it is football related? It's not big It's not clever And it is not the pot calling the kettle black! If any relative of yours got "done" by a fan visiting Southampton - you'd all have a dicky fit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think that such an attitude is childish and puerile. Any decent law abiding citizen should have a duty to report any law breaking, rather than follow some playground code in preference. Well people are allowed their opinions, mine is not to grass on a Saints fan who gave a couple of gobby Yeovil fans a slap... These Saints fans could be looking at jail if convicted as I am pretty sure everyone will agree that a few months in prison, loss of job and banned from football for 3 years is pretty harsh for dishing out a slap to someone on the way home from football. No different to having a fight in a pub, I am sure many of you model citizens have done it before... difference is the punishments are massively different. Once again, don't grass on Saints fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 These guys aren't going around and battering lone away fans, families or old ladies. The only people that will get any sort of problem from this set of fellas are away fans that come down here looking for trouble and generally after for aggro. If a fellow saints fan robs an old lady or beats up a guy with a kid then maybe I'd shop them, but having a row with like minded individuals - not my problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4693602.Police_hunting_thugs_at_Saints_matches/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Shanks Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Well people are allowed their opinions, mine is not to grass on a Saints fan who gave a couple of gobby Yeovil fans a slap... These Saints fans could be looking at jail if convicted as I am pretty sure everyone will agree that a few months in prison, loss of job and banned from football for 3 years is pretty harsh for dishing out a slap to someone on the way home from football. No different to having a fight in a pub, I am sure many of you model citizens have done it before... difference is the punishments are massively different. Once again, don't grass on Saints fans. Grow up you silly little boy. Anyone who dishes out a "slap" (and it was a bit more than that - big brave man for kicking someone when they're on the floor) deserves everything they get. It's scum like this that is taking this country down a route from which we will never return. Asbo society. The only way to stop this is for good law abiding citizens to start fighting back (not literally !) and stand up to the scum that surrounds us. Grassing people like this to the police is a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Well people are allowed their opinions, mine is not to grass on a Saints fan who gave a couple of gobby Yeovil fans a slap... These Saints fans could be looking at jail if convicted as I am pretty sure everyone will agree that a few months in prison, loss of job and banned from football for 3 years is pretty harsh for dishing out a slap to someone on the way home from football. No different to having a fight in a pub, I am sure many of you model citizens have done it before... difference is the punishments are massively different. Once again, don't grass on Saints fans. It is not an opinion, it is a code of conduct that ought to be followed by any sensible, intelligent citizen that wishes to live in a well-ordered and civilised society. If caught, those so-called fans, (who I would prefer to call yobs) will get everything they deserve. If they end up in the nick, lose their jobs and are banned from football, it bloody well serves them right. If banned, we'll be well rid of them too. I have never had a fight in a pub, but the way that you speak, I feel sure that you have. With luck, these people who you are attempting to defend, are actually not really proper Saints fans, but are using us as an excuse for a punch-up. There seems to be a growing trend towards this currently and it needs to be nipped in the bud before it spreads. I would have not the slightest qualms about "shopping" anybody who acts in this way. They certainly wouldn't be friends of mine, so quite why I should have any sympathy or compassion for them just because they might be wearing a Saints shirt is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 These guys aren't going around and battering lone away fans, families or old ladies. The only people that will get any sort of problem from this set of fellas are away fans that come down here looking for trouble and generally after for aggro. If a fellow saints fan robs an old lady or beats up a guy with a kid then maybe I'd shop them, but having a row with like minded individuals - not my problem. Having a row with a few like minded individuals? WTF are you on about you neaderthal? From the sound of the report 2 blokes had the **** kicked out of them by a much larger group of Saints 'fans'. To use your fellow low brow's own analogy if you have a barney on the way honme from a pub you might indeed give someone a slap. You might even have a full on barney. What no civilized person would do is gather a large group of cronies and "kicked and punched the victims to the ground, where they were then repeatedly kicked and stamped on" Attitudes like yours make me ashamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4693602.Police_hunting_thugs_at_Saints_matches/ Why do violent thugs have such fat heads? (along, it seems, with all Chelsea supporters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 saints support in general is full of soft weedy geography teacher types so I for one am grateful we at least have a few fans who can stand up for themselves when away teams come to town and throw their weight around. From what I heard on the day the Yeovil group were the ones who kicked off in the pub and once outside kept coming back for more, it sounds like a couple got caught and that is unfortunate, but this should not be made out to be a completely unprovoked bullying attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 A number of these fans deserve to get nicked for simply starting on away fans for no reason. Rumour has it that they have around 40 banning orders lined up and have simply been gaining evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think any real Saints fan should not grass on a fellow Saint. In the second picture, police are hunting the man in his late 30s to mid-40s, of large build, short cropped hair, 5ft 10in and wearing a blue, grey, white striped shirt bearing the Southampton Football Club crest I think we know why Stu is pleaing for people not to "grass". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think we know why Stu is pleaing for people not to "grass". Damn. Already did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 "From the sound of it..." So you seriously think a group of 30/40 somethings decided to batter 2 lone innocent Yoevil fans quietly making their way home yeah? They were part of a group of 8-10 Yoevil fans in the King Alfred who goaded Saints fans with insults and got the trouble they were looking for, the fight spilled onto the street and the 2 injured were constantly told to walk away but they (bravely or stupidly) kept coming back for more trouble. Check your facts first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 One day Stu, it might be you or a family member of yours that gets a good kicking by a mob. Wonder if you will still hope no one grasses them up ? Also, how will our new owner view this ? Lets hope he realises that its a few idiots only that hopefully will be caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 "From the sound of it..." So you seriously think a group of 30/40 somethings decided to batter 2 lone innocent Yoevil fans quietly making their way home yeah? They were part of a group of 8-10 Yoevil fans in the King Alfred who goaded Saints fans with insults and got the trouble they were looking for, the fight spilled onto the street and the 2 injured were constantly told to walk away but they (bravely or stupidly) kept coming back for more trouble. Check your facts first. Oh, that's alright then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 "From the sound of it..." So you seriously think a group of 30/40 somethings decided to batter 2 lone innocent Yoevil fans quietly making their way home yeah? They were part of a group of 8-10 Yoevil fans in the King Alfred who goaded Saints fans with insults and got the trouble they were looking for, the fight spilled onto the street and the 2 injured were constantly told to walk away but they (bravely or stupidly) kept coming back for more trouble. Check your facts first. Sticks and stones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rooney Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think any real Saints fan should not grass on a fellow Saint. I do not agree with that statement given the circumstaces reported in the Echo. Perhaps you will go to the Police and give evidence if you know so much about it, and it might help the case of either parties involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadia Sllim Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 When has the back page of the Echo been used for this sort of "Sports reporting" keep the back page free for proper sport. I personally would never grass another Saints fan as I am sure there are a few grasses amongst our fan base as there are in all walks of life. Here's to a trouble free day at Orient! Get into them ! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Funny - I always associate football thuggery with young guys with low IQs. I am surprised to see it's middle-aged men causing the trouble. I guess the common theme is LOW IQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 after reading the reports on here by people who saw the attack I recall that the 2 yeovil fans were not father and son holding hands walking quietly away. If it is an unprovoked attack then it is different, but I must say i have seen many gobby away fans who have needed a slap over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 These guys aren't going around and battering lone away fans, families or old ladies. The only people that will get any sort of problem from this set of fellas are away fans that come down here looking for trouble and generally after for aggro. If a fellow saints fan robs an old lady or beats up a guy with a kid then maybe I'd shop them, but having a row with like minded individuals - not my problem. Absolutely spot on. Anyone who names these Saints fans is a grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 this is the thread where the incident was first discussed http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16744 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THINWHITEDUKE Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Lot of self-righteous types on here today aren't there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 21 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Absolutely spot on. Anyone who names these Saints fans is a grass. some of the utter ******** that has been put oin here this morning is unbelievable. no wonder this country is going down the pan, with ****-wits like we have had this morning. I bet your mums / girlfriends / wives are so so proud of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 21 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Lot of self-righteous types on here today aren't there? there's a lot of ****ing idiot on here this morning, more like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I do not agree with that statement given the circumstaces reported in the Echo. Perhaps you will go to the Police and give evidence if you know so much about it, and it might help the case of either parties involved. I was not there, but I have hear witness accounts and it seems these 'innocent Yeovil fans' deliberately went into the King Alfred believing it to be the 'main pub' intent on causing trouble, goading Saints fans arriving after the game, they were asked to leave in a not so polite way... ... and a few stupid ones kept coming back for more. Like it or lump it, it happens, no Saints fans got hurt and no innocent bystanders where hurt... I can think of better ways to spend my time than phoning up crimestoppers or something equally droll. I bet the people who are calling for Saints fans to be shopped are the same ones who write into Points of View each week and phone up ofcom when Simon Cowell accidently says pooh on the x-factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THINWHITEDUKE Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 there's a lot of ****ing idiot on here this morning, more like. Apologies but I did realise that but I was trying to be polite!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I was not there, but I have hear witness accounts and it seems these 'innocent Yeovil fans' deliberately went into the King Alfred believing it to be the 'main pub' intent on causing trouble, goading Saints fans arriving after the game, they were asked to leave in a not so polite way... ... and a few stupid ones kept coming back for more. Like it or lump it, it happens, no Saints fans got hurt and no innocent bystanders where hurt... I can think of better ways to spend my time than phoning up crimestoppers or something equally droll. I bet the people who are calling for Saints fans to be shopped are the same ones who write into Points of View each week and phone up ofcom when Simon Cowell accidently says pooh on the x-factor. You're an idiot mate. Whether Yeovil fans were coming into the pub or not, nobody can justify 2 lads getting kicked and stamped when on the ground. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 21 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Apologies but I did realise that but I was trying to be polite!! it's clear that these people are far from polite.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Disclaimer: I do not condone football violence in any way, shape or form and I am not actively encouraging people not to give evidence, thus perverting the course of justice. In my opinion I believe the police may be using this incident to 'set an example' and punish people harder than the crime warrants. I am also aware that these Yeovil fans where not innocent bystanders, they were intent on looking for trouble, and found it. You are free to make up your own mind, as I am mine. Lots of Love SRS xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 (edited) Would you grass on a fan for racism? I would absolutely. For football violence - not without knowing all the facts. If its proportional with the provocation, maybe not. The difficulty with the Yeovil incident is that it was a total mismatch numbers-wise and that it was not just a few punches here and there; to repeatedly stamp on a guy when he's flat out, as happened, is unacceptable. Edited 21 October, 2009 by shurlock spellink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Would you grass on a fan for racism? I would absolutely. For football violence - not without knowing all the facts. If its proportionate with the provocation, maybe not. The difficulty with the Yeovil incident is that it was a total mismatch numbers-wise and that it was not just a few punches here and there; to repeatedly stamp on a guy when he's flat out, as happened, is unacceptable. From what I heard, it was not a mismatch of numbers... it was even, but most of them run, and 2 brave souls kept coming back for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Shanks Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Lot of self-righteous types on here today aren't there? No. Just lots of decent people who have a brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Anyone who sinks as low as those trying to get a response from them deserve to be shopped. It's all one big vicious circle and unless those being taunted rise above it then they are just as responsible for perpetuating the problem. Turn them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I've little sympathy for the Yeovil fans that went looking for trouble and found it. I do, however, believe only a class 1 c*** would kick a man when he's down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I do not support there actions, but innocent people do not simply get set apon. No smoke without fire. But I'd prefer If this didn't happen at our club, as I'd like us t continue to bring in the families and fresh saints blood to cheer on our boys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionhotel Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Always be kind to a stranger in your town because you never know when you'll be a stranger in their town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 The only problem I have is when does a slap turn into an undeserved and over the top kicking from those who find safety in numbers, there are many incidents when a capable person gives someone a deserved wallop, however, in these circumstances what happens thereafter is animal like behaviour, I fail to understand what can be gained by kicking the head of an individual on the floor after being put there by another, that is cowardly and deservant of associated charges, invariably the majority of these 'football thugs' fart and frighten themselves unless others are alongside them, their are a few that are stand up guys but they are definately a minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THINWHITEDUKE Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 No. Just lots of decent people who have a brain. Ooooh, get you Einstein! I bet you have a perfectly clean driving licence too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 The only problem I have is when does a slap turn into an undeserved and over the top kicking from those who find safety in numbers, there are many incidents when a capable person gives someone a deserved wallop, however, in these circumstances what happens thereafter is animal like behaviour, I fail to understand what can be gained by kicking the head of an individual on the floor after being put there by another, that is cowardly and deservant of associated charges, invariably the majority of these 'football thugs' fart and frighten themselves unless others are alongside them, their are a few that are stand up guys but they are definately a minority. 1. The numbers were even... 2 of them didn't run and were caught. 2. Where does it say about being kicked in the head? The fact it doesnt mention that in the report suggests they were 'body blows' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hectors house Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I can't quite believe that I am reacting to this nonesense but I will not get any work done today unless I get this off my chest. I am honestly amazed at the number of posters who think there is some honour in not informing on these yobs, they almost seem to be proud of them? I thought at first it was a wind up but I'm not so sure now. There seems to be a lot of hard men posting on here today who go through life "giving a slap" where it's appropriate - I suspect it's more likely that most only "talk the talk". I'll be up front and admit to being your average wimp, avoiding trouble whenever possible and so far through 46 years managing pretty well. Now I could understand (and maybe even respect) someone being offended and dealing with it man-to-man, if both parties want a fight then let them get on with it - at least it's a fair fight. What I don't understand is how anyone can either defend or be proud of a gang of blokes completely outnumbering two guys, kicking them to the ground and then kicking them some more - just because they said something nasty about their football club. I'm afraid it's all beyond me - if I know them then I would inform the authorities and trust the legal system to decide if they were provoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 would never happen if the away fans were locked in after game rather than this stupid tactic of letting every one out at the same time. i will not pass any judgement on this incident until all the facts are out in the open because experience has shown that the "innocent" victims are not always so innocent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 "From the sound of it..." So you seriously think a group of 30/40 somethings decided to batter 2 lone innocent Yoevil fans quietly making their way home yeah? They were part of a group of 8-10 Yoevil fans in the King Alfred who goaded Saints fans with insults and got the trouble they were looking for, the fight spilled onto the street and the 2 injured were constantly told to walk away but they (bravely or stupidly) kept coming back for more trouble. Check your facts first. Someone deserved a kicking because they wouldn't run away from the mighty saints fans? So it's perfectly okay to give anyone a beating if they don't run away from you. You really are a retarded throwback to a darker time, I hope you were one of those involved so that you can get caught and receive a lifetime ban from Saint Marys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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