slickmick Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Would you be happy if we signed him once he's released ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 No f**king way. And I doubt ML would permit it. He has a string of convictions as long as your arm. He's a serial offender. He'd do something wrong again and embarass the club Jeeez, you'd welcome Lee Hughes or Luke McCormick next.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 No f**king way. And I doubt ML would permit it. He has a string of convictions as long as your arm. He's a serial offender. He'd do something wrong again and embarass the club Jeeez, you'd welcome Lee Hughes or Luke McCormick next.. Very, very harsh to put him in the same boat as the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Very, very harsh to put him in the same boat as the other two. McCormick ? He wiped out a family whilst drink-driving, FFS. In fact, I am getting more outraged by the moment. Does this club stand for something different than the self-centred hedonism and lack of consideration prevalent in English football (particularly the PL) and modern way-of-life in general, or not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November, 2009 No f**king way. And I doubt ML would permit it. He has a string of convictions as long as your arm. He's a serial offender. He'd do something wrong again and embarass the club Jeeez, you'd welcome Lee Hughes or Luke McCormick next.. Where does it suggest I would want him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Where does it suggest I would want him ? I apologise, but I am shocked you even find it a topic of debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 He could turn on the taps and hand out paper towels in the corporate ladies loos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I apologise, but I am shocked you even find it a topic of debate. The reason is because Gordon Taylor was on GMTV this morning saying he deserves to be given another chance. I find it makes my blood boil why footballers(mainly prem) seem to believe they are Gods gift to do and act as they want. Just wondered if others had different views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 McCormick ? He wiped out a family whilst drink-driving, FFS. In fact, I am getting more outraged by the moment. Does this club stand for something different than the self-centred hedonism and lack of consideration prevalent in English football (particularly the PL) and modern way-of-life in general, or not ? Jesus H, where has anybody said they would want them? I'm just saying there's a difference between sexually assaulting someone/killing someone and pleading not guilty and crashing your car when you glance away to look at your Ipod. McCormack pleaded guilty, FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Compare and contrast to Steven Gerrard getting off scot free for his recent transgression. But no. I think Marlon has a few issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Jesus H, where has anybody said they would want them? I'm just saying there's a difference between sexually assaulting someone/killing someone and pleading not guilty and crashing your car when you glance away to look at your Ipod. McCormack pleaded guilty, FWIW. You're thinking of Robertson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Find it quite hard to believe that Talksport have been castigating Mr King for what he has done in between advertising the Call Collymore show. Now there is double standards for you. Mr King is obviously a **** alongside Mr Collymore in the belting woman stakes but Talksport feel it is alright to employ one on mega bucks and then slag the other one off all weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 You're thinking of Robertson? It certainly doesnt sound like the description I read of what McCormick did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 The reason is because Gordon Taylor was on GMTV this morning saying he deserves to be given another chance. I find it makes my blood boil why footballers(mainly prem) seem to believe they are Gods gift to do and act as they want. Just wondered if others had different views. I wonder how many second chances this particular scroat deserves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I wonder how many second chances this particular scroat deserves... Hes had about 14 so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 He usually needs about that many to put the ball in the net too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 In my opinion, Gordon Taylor is as big a part of the problem with the behaviour of professional footballers as the money is. There is protecting your members interests, then there is defending the indefensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Find it quite hard to believe that Talksport have been castigating Mr King for what he has done in between advertising the Call Collymore show. Now there is double standards for you. Mr King is obviously a **** alongside Mr Collymore in the belting woman stakes but Talksport feel it is alright to employ one on mega bucks and then slag the other one off all weekend? You bother to listen to Talk Sport's brand of neanderthal broadcasting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 The reason is because Gordon Taylor was on GMTV this morning saying he deserves to be given another chance. I find it makes my blood boil why footballers(mainly prem) seem to believe they are Gods gift to do and act as they want. Just wondered if others had different views. It is a shame Gordon Taylor does not take a more active interest in the welfare of former PFA members - see FF's comments on the Kevin Moore thread - than acting like a 'rent-a-quote' on low brow television spouting simpering pleas to forgive a serial convict. King should not be allowed back on a football pitch at any level in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 It is a shame Gordon Taylor does not take a more active interest in the welfare of former PFA members - see FF's comments on the Kevin Moore thread - than acting like a 'rent-a-quote' on low brow television spouting simpering pleas to forgive a serial convict. Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 In my opinion, Gordon Taylor is as big a part of the problem with the behaviour of professional footballers as the money is. There is protecting your members interests, then there is defending the indefensible. Agreed,and as I have set out on another post this contrasts starkly with the PFA'S disinterest in Kevin Moore's circumstances. I know the PFA were involved in fund raising for Wilf Mannion or whoever a few years ago,but that of course brought some publicity and a chance for Gordon Smugtosser-Taylor to get his face in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 No, as as well as being a woman beater he is also sh ite at football..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Christ on a bike, three of us in cosy agreement in sequential posts.The site will go into meltdown and collapse any minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 The guy is a serial offender and a serial scumbag, therefore unless we've got a bog cleaner and sanitary towel bin scrubber's job going, then no he shouldn't be employed by Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I am all for giving someone a second chance, but I think history proves this guy is a bit of a repeat offender. How would the women of Southampton feel if he started going out clubbing here? This man is a professional footballer with all the trappings that entails - he obviously is unable to handle the money and the attention. Seriously though what type of man raises his hand to a women? There is something wrong if anyone finds this type of behaviour tolerable - society gone to ruin! I wouldn't want anyone at my club with a proven conviction/criminal record including drink drivers, drug abusers & people who have a record of beating people senseless. Although for similar reasons I would not want the likes Joey Barton or Lee Bowyer at my club either. To be honest I'm glad we no longer have the likes of Dyer or Bradley Wright Philips at our club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Would you be happy if we signed him once he's released ? No. It does depend on the type of offence IMO but in this instance unprovoked violent crime against a woman then it's going to be a very desperate club who sign him upon his release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Find it quite hard to believe that Talksport have been castigating Mr King for what he has done in between advertising the Call Collymore show. Now there is double standards for you. Mr King is obviously a **** alongside Mr Collymore in the belting woman stakes but Talksport feel it is alright to employ one on mega bucks and then slag the other one off all weekend? I don't condone the actions of Collymoe but they are very different to the actions of King for reasons that i hope don't need explaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November, 2009 No. It does depend on the type of offence IMO but in this instance unprovoked violent crime against a woman then it's going to be a very desperate club who sign him upon his release. But someone will. Lee Hughes for example. My guess will be a championship side with a rogue manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I would take MK once released. Decent player at Championship level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 (edited) Um, as long as he's a better footballer than the ones we have in the squad, I don't have a problem with it. He's obviously a d1ck of the highest order but provided it doesn't lead to him getting sent off all the time, who cares what he does off the pitch? Anyone holding up for praise or as a role model the type of cossetted, millionaire, buy-you-and-sell-you, work half days, overly competitive, limited skill-set, intellectually stunted footballer society produces nowadays is really in need of some spiritual assistance anyway. Obviously there are exceptions who DO make good role models but they are few and far between, and it's not that surprising given what these people can afford and what privileges they are afforded due to their status. I don't see Oldham/Notts County fans wringing their hands at Lee Hughes playing again. We'll see if King eventually turns into a decent citizen, but he's at least a reasonably decent footballer at Championship level and below. For me, the decision should be an entirely football based one. We employed Carlton "do you know who I am" Palmer, Fabrice Fernandes, Nathan Dyer, Bradley Wright-Phillips and Jordan Robertson, didn't we? Edited 2 November, 2009 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I would take MK once released. Decent player at Championship level The bait is laid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 It is actually amusing to read the "outrage" in this thread.... Football in general & King especially are badly tarnished goods with moral standards driven by greed and ego. Unfortunately, where those two evils exist, then as Gordon Gecko showed, who cares what means you use to achieve MORE money and MORE ego? The only ones who care are those with moral standards or those who get hurt (ie us) If King is a player who could make a club better then he will get a game for someone. Should he or his like play for us, morally, of course no fecking way. But if he was the only available player out of contract, 3 weeks to the end of season and our strikers were all injured and came in and scored the goal in the Playoff final that got us to the PL a year earlier would we actually applaud him ? Probably... Sad indictment of football. Personally I think we now have Leaders with a sense of wisdom who wouldn't do anything like this... I believe there is no way he should even be allowed into our ground when playing for an opposing team..... Unless there really was no other choice. And that's what is wrong with much of the world these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Um, as long as he's a better footballer than the ones we have in the squad, I don't have a problem with it. He's obviously a d1ck of the highest order but provided it doesn't lead to him getting sent off all the time, who cares what he does off the pitch? Anyone holding up for praise or as a role model the type of cossetted, millionaire, buy-you-and-sell-you, work half days, overly competitive, limited skill-set, intellectually stunted footballer society produces nowadays is really in need of some spiritual assistance anyway. Obviously there are exceptions who DO make good role models but they are few and far between, and it's not that surprising given what these people can afford and what privileges they are afforded due to their status. I don't see Oldham/Notts County fans wringing their hands at Lee Hughes playing again. We'll see if King eventually turns into a decent citizen, but he's at least a reasonably decent footballer at Championship level and below. For me, the decision should be an entirely football based one. We employed Carlton "do you know who I am" Palmer, Fabrice Fernandes, Nathan Dyer, Bradley Wright-Phillips and Jordan Robertson, didn't we? No we didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I don't condone the actions of Collymoe but they are very different to the actions of King for reasons that i hope don't need explaining. No of course not Collymore used his feet whilst King prefers the fist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 The bait is laid. Meh, trolls post one liners, those interested in genuine debate whack up a couple of paragraphs... Ps I keep editing to add more Saints no-goodniks. I hear that Le Tissier bloke was involved in some kind of betting scam, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 No we didn't. Well, we had him working with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 It certainly doesnt sound like the description I read of what McCormick did. Yeah think there was some confusion in who did what. Robertson used his ipod and it was a massive mistake, Im sure many of us have done the same many times without the horific concquences Robertson did. He is getting punished for it and im sure he will get another chance when the time comes. Doubt many will argue against either. McCormick was drink driving which in this day and age cant really be excused by anything and when he wants another chance I would guess he will have had to jump through so many hoops to earn it he may as well take a job in a circus. The no insurance thing that I think went along with that case IMO is pretty low key. I pay my insurance because if I did have an accedent of any kind I couldnt afford to pay for the damage. If I was loaded and being charged exessivly because of having a more public and known proffession I may think its probably cheaper to pay for things if and when they happen rather than over pay for just in cases. Not saying its right but I can understand the uper limits of money and profile taking this course. No-one thinks that they are going to have an accedent with such tragic conciquences and everyone believes it will happen to someone else and not them. Im still not sure about King, 99% of me thinks that the right outcome has happened and he is a lieing git and im glad his celebraty status has not bailed him out. But there is still 1% that thinks maybe his celebraty status has got him noticed and someone is trying to make a bit of cash out of it. Easy target and all that. As for the OP I think it would be better for the club all round if they didnt bother with looking into signing anyone that has a track record for getting into bother of any kind. If we want to do things the right way we need to do it with the right people. It would take allot to convince me that someone who was once always found at the root of the trouble has now turned a corner and is worth backing to besomeone who can lead by example in doing the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 What did Taylor actually say this morning? Did he condem King's actions at all? I don't want to give my opinion on that until I know what he actually said. But the law has said that King must do 18 months in jail for the crime he committed. That will repay his debt to society. So should the man be denied a job when he re enters society? The job in question shouldn't be a factor. Just because its a well paid footballers job is irrelivant. When he rejoins society he needs to contribute to it. Like any ex con he'll need to get a job, somewhere. He'll find it difficult to get the job he wants, like all ex cons. He's not going to have the same options as other free agents in football, it won't be easy. But making mistakes (albeit a hell of a lot) shouldn't preclude from any job IF he can get one. Just because we feel that being a footballer is an exhaulted position in society, shouldn't rule him out of doing that job when he is released. Don't get me wrong. I hope he never plays again. I hope no club ever looks at him again. But you can't actually ban him from playing. He'll have paid his debt to society according to the laws of the land, it will just be up to every club to take the moral high ground and refuse to entertain the option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Well, we had him working with us. I think his loan period had finished by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Don't get me wrong. I hope he never plays again. I hope no club ever looks at him again. But you can't actually ban him from playing. He'll have paid his debt to society according to the laws of the land, it will just be up to every club to take the moral high ground and refuse to entertain the option. The FA (or is it UEFA or FIFA or whoever, Im sure someone like The9 or CB will answer that) can, they can blacklist him from the game so he can't play as a professional again. A bit extreme in this circumstance, but it could be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 But the law has said that King must do 18 months in jail for the crime he committed. QUOTE] He'll be out in 8months, even with his crminal record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 The FA (or is it UEFA or FIFA or whoever, Im sure someone like The9 or CB will answer that) can, they can blacklist him from the game so he can't play as a professional again. A bit extreme in this circumstance, but it could be done. I'm pretty sure they won't though, not for what is essentially a minor offence. It probably won't even come up on their radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 But the law has said that King must do 18 months in jail for the crime he committed. QUOTE] He'll be out in 8months, even with his crminal record. I meant to include that in the original post, I knew it would be brought up. It doesn't matter. If he's released, that's still the law of the land saying he has paid his debt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I'm pretty sure they won't though, not for what is essentially a minor offence. It probably won't even come up on their radar. Im not disputing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Clearly he shouldn't be banned from working as a footballer - his punishment is his sentence. If you start banning criminals from working you will only hasten their return to crime. However, if any prospective employers wish to take a moral stance against employing him then good for them. He's a decent Championship player. It may be that 99% of the time he's a good bloke but occasionally loses his rag. Some might think it an acceptable trade-off and will be prepared to take him on that basis. Personally, I wouldn't particularly welcome him but I wouldn't criticise anyone who did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I think his loan period had finished by then. Pretty sure the accident was on Boxing Day and his loan was due to finish on Dec 31 but I assume Saints heard about the crash and requested that he didn't come back (or he may have been in no condition to do so). I remember being surprised that he wasn't at least on the bench for one of the post-Xmas games at St Marys before I found out about the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Someone somewhere will sign him upon release - they always do. King himself will give it the massive "I've had time to think about life"/"I'm a changed man"/"I've found God"/"I am so sorry - but my life has been hell inside - that was the Marlon King of old & now I'm a completely reformed character" bollix. Expect his life story to appear on the front pages of the tabloids upon release and Max Clifford to book endless sob stories on Piers Morgan/Jonathon Ross/GMTV/whatever. Finally; TalkSport or a cable football channel will offer him £50K a year if no club want his services. Cynical? Me? Naah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November, 2009 What did Taylor actually say this morning? Did he condem King's actions at all? I don't want to give my opinion on that until I know what he actually said. But the law has said that King must do 18 months in jail for the crime he committed. That will repay his debt to society. So should the man be denied a job when he re enters society? The job in question shouldn't be a factor. Just because its a well paid footballers job is irrelivant. When he rejoins society he needs to contribute to it. Like any ex con he'll need to get a job, somewhere. He'll find it difficult to get the job he wants, like all ex cons. He's not going to have the same options as other free agents in football, it won't be easy. But making mistakes (albeit a hell of a lot) shouldn't preclude from any job IF he can get one. Just because we feel that being a footballer is an exhaulted position in society, shouldn't rule him out of doing that job when he is released. Don't get me wrong. I hope he never plays again. I hope no club ever looks at him again. But you can't actually ban him from playing. He'll have paid his debt to society according to the laws of the land, it will just be up to every club to take the moral high ground and refuse to entertain the option. The average man in the street would not land on his feet in the same way as this guy probably will. Thats what pees me off with modern day footballers. They know there career will carry on as normal, but would a Policeman or a nurse/doctor, serviceman ect ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 The FA (or is it UEFA or FIFA or whoever, Im sure someone like The9 or CB will answer that) can, they can blacklist him from the game so he can't play as a professional again. A bit extreme in this circumstance, but it could be done. Fiirst I've heard of it. Not sure there are any precedents either - players being banned from football for non-football related incidents sounds like the kind of thing associations would be very keen to avoid in today's litigious society. I would imagine as a general principle the FA, UEFA and FIFA would leave it to the law of the state in which the crime was committed to determine the length of time for which someone is "unavailable". Having said that, I'm pretty sure there are prison teams in local leagues in some areas, so they're even less inclined to act than to even ensure a footballing ban endures as long as the incarceration. When it comes down to it, football people aren't the ones responsible for ruling on crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 The average man in the street would not land on his feet in the same way as this guy probably will. Thats what pees me off with modern day footballers. They know there career will carry on as normal, but would a Policeman or a nurse/doctor, serviceman ect ? It's not their fault our society (and us in particular) has deemed their skills should be disproportionately rewarded, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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