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Arizona

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Now starting to spring up in several positions. How flippin' great is that. :D

 

IMO:

 

Bart or Davis - Bart. It's unfair to drop KD after today, so I wouldn't, but I do think BB is better.

 

Semi or Thomas - Semi edge's it very slightly on today's showing.

 

Harding or Mills - Harding. A more straight forward choice, but Mills put in a few decent performances.

 

Antonio, Waigo or Puncheon - Agggghhhh... :smt048 Puncheon, by a gnats nads, with Bonio off the bench

 

Lallana, Puncheon or Holmes - Assuming Puncheon on the right... Lallana

 

Barnard or Waigo - Barnard... just. But Waigo if we come against a particularly slow centre half.

 

 

Forts?

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SO16_Saint

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Now starting to spring up in several positions. How flippin' great is that. :D

 

IMO:

 

Bart or Davis - Bart. It's unfair to drop KD after today, so I wouldn't, but I do think BB is better.

 

Semi or Thomas - Semi edge's it very slightly on today's showing.

 

Harding or Mills - Harding. A more straight forward choice, but Mills put in a few decent performances.

 

Antonio, Waigo or Puncheon - Agggghhhh... :smt048 Puncheon, by a gnats nads, with Bonio off the bench

 

Lallana, Puncheon or Holmes - Assuming Puncheon on the right... Lallana

 

Barnard or Waigo - Barnard... just. But Waigo if we come against a particularly slow centre half.

 

 

Forts?

 

Thoughts??? It's FARKING great to have those problems!

 

Agree with every pick above, btw, not sure about Bart better than KD though - both very good, mind.

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shurlock

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How about Fonte/Seaborne/Jaidi? Fonte and Jaidi for me though not sure AP feels the same. Despite talk about fielding his strongest side today, I still think Pards was hoping Seaborne would step in immediately for Jaidi. At the moment, it seems like the transition will take longer.

 

Agree with all your choices, except Barnard. Needs to maintain today's form over several games before I'm convinced. For me, Papa still offers greater variety (and he would have had a field day today with the space Norwich was giving us).

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Lallana and Puncheon are the best two wingers in our squad by a long way, Antonio will make a good impact sub and Waigo is best used up front - can't see Holmes getting anywhere near our starting XI now.

 

I think Ostemebor's pace is important to the side, not 100% sure if he's a better option than James though.

 

Connolly is still our best striker to play with Lambert, not too fussed between Barnard and Waigo. Barnards game is probably better suited away from home.

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Andy_Porter

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We can pretty much put out a good L1 team with second choices for every position - excellent springboard

 

Davis - Bart

 

Ostemebor - Murty

Jaidi - Seaborne

Fonte - Perry

Harding - Mills

 

Lallana - Antonio

Hammond - James

Schneiderlin - Gobern

Puncheon - Holmes

 

Lambert - Barnard

Connolly - Waigo

 

I think the priority in the summer has to be getting rid of all the squad players outside those 22 and replacing the weak links - Murty, Holmes and Perry.

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Davis - Bart

 

Ostemebor - Murty

Jaidi - Seaborne

Fonte - Perry

Harding - Mills

 

Lallana - Antonio

Hammond - James

Schneiderlin - Gobern

Puncheon - Holmes

 

Lambert - Barnard

Connolly - Waigo

 

I think the priority in the summer has to be getting rid of all the squad players outside those 22 and replacing the weak links - Murty, Holmes and Perry.

 

agree - also need to replace wotton who is still frequently used as a first-team squad player. thomas is also versatile enough to feature as a squad player.

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Andy_Porter

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Bart has won 9 of the 11 games he has played in.

 

So?

 

James has won the majority of games he's played at right back but you didn't even include him in your opening post.

 

There's no way Bart is a better option than Davis atm, he's been fantastic for us all season. Sometimes stats mean nothing.

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Arizona

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To be fair though, one of those games was home to Wycombe. I actually think I caught him nodding off in that game he had so little to do!!!

 

To be even fairer, you can only beat what's in front of you and the two games we didn't win were Leeds and Colchester away. I think he has been very good all season and better on crosses than KD.

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Bart's kicking is atrocious and he is still more gaff prone than KD IMO.

 

He needs a regular run of games.

 

I've just realised that this post is not very clear... I meant he needs a regular run somewhere else. TBH, he should probably leave, I can't see his career going anywhere here.

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I can't believe Bart has stayed around so long to be honest, and lets face it, he can't be earning much now!!! You may know this or may not, but Bart is our current longest serving player...

 

Being in Australia, i've only seen us at Brentford and v Stockport this season so I can't really judge what Bart brings to the team ahead of KD. But i'm sure we have two of the top two goalkeepers in this division :)

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how can you say bart is better than KD!

 

BB is our keeper of the future. He did really well when KD was injured. He might have just been blessed with the opposition we faced in that period but he has everything that is needed to be a top keeper. KD is the ideal no1 at the moment and keeps us in games

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Arizona

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How is that relevant?

 

That stat doesn't prove he played well in those games.

 

You don't think it's even a slight reflection on Bart that we have produced an excellent run of results when he was in goal? Aside from the stats, he has played well in all the games I've seen him in this season.

 

Don't get me wrong, I would never begrudge Davis his place in the side. I just think Bart is (marginally) the better all round 'keeper.

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How on earth can you work that out, based on the last 2 and a half years, with Bart having 12 starts compared to Kelvin's 113 games?

 

And in them 12 starts he's shown himself to be an extremley compentent goalkeeper in all areas especially considering his lack of 1st team consistency.

 

He commands his area and deals with threats more proactively than KD who relies on his excellent shot stopping capabillities. Not saying KD should be dropped in any way, he da man, overall I think Bart is marginally the better goalkeeper technically but that KD brings so much more to the team.

 

So you saying Bart is way off where KD is, technically???????

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I can't believe Bart has stayed around so long to be honest, and lets face it, he can't be earning much now!!! You may know this or may not, but Bart is our current longest serving player...

 

Being in Australia, i've only seen us at Brentford and v Stockport this season so I can't really judge what Bart brings to the team ahead of KD. But i'm sure we have two of the top two goalkeepers in this division :)

 

Not if you're counting youth team players, he isn't.

And Arizona, your post count is all lucky 7s at the mo. Congrats.

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I can't believe anyone can have formed this opinion of BB over Davis considering the amount of games BB played, especially when you consider the sheer panic on this board when KD got injured at the prospect of BB filling in.

 

KD gets to keep his spot for as long as he wants as far as I'm concerned after the loyalty he showed the club at the end of last season....

 

within reason of course, I don't want him still there when he's sporting a zimmerframe

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Bart is a great back-up to have and never seems bothered to be on the bench.

 

I think : Davis , Fonte , Harding , Hammond , Schneiderlin , Lallana and Lambert

 

^ have all got to play when fit.

 

We have one of the best squads in the league but Pardew has to make sure the best team play every game and we need to find our best 11 - today was probably it.

 

Our quality squad is gonna be vital if we are gonna push on this season.

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Our quality squad is gonna be vital if we are gonna push on this season.

 

Especially if we continue to accumulate stupid yellow cards - as we have all season.

 

Pards needs to address this. It's one thing losing players to injuries but there's no need to compound the problem with avoidable suspensions. That only pees away the advantage we have over other contenders.

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Lallana and Puncheon are the best two wingers in our squad by a long way, Antonio will make a good impact sub and Waigo is best used up front - can't see Holmes getting anywhere near our starting XI now.

 

I think Ostemebor's pace is important to the side, not 100% sure if he's a better option than James though.

 

Connolly is still our best striker to play with Lambert, not too fussed between Barnard and Waigo. Barnards game is probably better suited away from home.

 

James is no rightback so yes Semi is better

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James is no rightback so yes Semi is better

 

That's your opinion and I stand by mine, I really don't think there is much between them. Our most succesfull period has come with James in the side at right back.

 

If we could merge Murtys positioning with Thomas power, Ostemebors pace and James' delivery we would probably have a decent right back.

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That's your opinion and I stand by mine, I really don't think there is much between them. Our most succesfull period has come with James in the side at right back.

 

If we could merge Murtys positioning with Thomas power, Ostemebors pace and James' delivery we would probably have a decent right back.

 

James doent tackle or win headers when at RB. Our most succesfull period ws a settled team and not imo down to james being at RB..

 

..you playing today btw :D

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James doent tackle or win headers when at RB. Our most succesfull period ws a settled team and not imo down to james being at RB..

 

..you playing today btw :D

 

James can tackle, he puts himself about a lot for a smaller player, can't win headers he's slow and his positioning is poor at times. I think Ostemebor has quite poor positioning as well he can just make up for it more often because he's so quick.

 

I don't think either of them are the answer at right back, could do with getting someone decent in during the summer.

 

And yes i'll be playing. :)

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I think we will have a clearer idea of our team come the summer when a lot of players will be out of contract. We need a team of around 24-25 two good players for each postion plus 2-3 utility players who can fill in in different postions when we need to.

 

I also think it's becoming obvious which players AP likes and which ones aren't in his plans. Thomas has played well in a number of games but doesn't seem to be in APs plans as he only plays up when he has got no choice. He doesn't seem to rate Papa much. Gillet isn't in his plans, Holmes isn't either it would seem.

 

Next year will see a stream lined team, with a resevre side of youth players I reckon. I think next year could be one of the best saints teams in years.

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That's your opinion and I stand by mine, I really don't think there is much between them. Our most succesfull period has come with James in the side at right back.

 

If we could merge Murtys positioning with Thomas power, Ostemebors pace and James' delivery we would probably have a decent right back.

 

:lol: He would be playing in the Prem!

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That's your opinion and I stand by mine, I really don't think there is much between them. Our most succesfull period has come with James in the side at right back.

 

If we could merge Murtys positioning with Thomas power, Ostemebors pace and James' delivery we would probably have a decent right back.

 

If you combined all of those you would have a Prem level right back. Never gonna happen.

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I agree with Arizona on Bart. I base that on not just this season, but on the very clear capability he showed in goal for us in previous seasons, especially his first, when he had an excellent run in the side and looked extremely competant under Burley.

 

I also agree that KD is the current number 1, but that long term, Bart can be our keeper all the way back to the Prem. He can grow with the team, long after KD retires, and so I think he is an important player for us.

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