alpine_saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/5047866.Saints_won_t_give_up_play_off_bid/ First part of report is reassuring. Pity the second part descends into excuse-making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 sorry, but i can't understand how we have lost this game in hand? If we had won, we would have had 2 games in hand but because we lost now we only have one?? Is this new FL rules or something? Confused...... Oh, and Alpine, be sure to be up early tomorrow morning, apparantly AP is going to talk about how great chocolate is, and no doubt you'll be around to tell us all how great its actually not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Noodles. Before the weekend Huddersfield were in 6th place & we have 2 games in hand over them. However, after the weekends games Milwall moved into 6th place & we only have 1 game in hand over them. Alpine, excuses or statement of fact. In order to put things right you have to recognise what went wrong. Sometimes what goes wrong is out of your controll. Yes you can do your best to compensate, but yo cannot be in full controll of everything. Have you seen the video of the foul for the penalty last saturday? Even Sir Alex Furgusson fails to controll the referees. Much as he might try. As many of the posters on here will tell you "we are having a cracking season". We would all like to go up. It is still possible, but requires the competition to slip up. Pardew IS doing a good job. Not perfect, but very good. Most people who have been at the games will tell you that his assesments are largely factual. Where he or his team have failed or shown weaknesses he has largely dealt with the issues. Once again, we're having a cracking season. I'm enjoying it, even if others here aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/5047866.Saints_won_t_give_up_play_off_bid/ First part of report is reassuring. Pity the second part descends into excuse-making. The first part of your post was informative. Pity the second part decends into negativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 The first part of your post was informative. Pity the second part decends into negativity. lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Can't see anything wrong in the article, the Ref did influence the result, we did miss chances, we did not and do not play as well on a different type of surface(which needs to be addressed) we can and will beat Leeds. Negativity or reality ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 I love a good excuse! I wonder if NC does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2010 lol! Ooo. That little jape really tickled you, didnt it ? Nothing to say, descend into silliness.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 It's beginning to sound like we should beat anyone at St Mary's because the pitch is so good, and suited to our players, and I can't wait for this game by the way. This sounds like we are confident of turning Leeds over. Unfortunately we still have away games to play this season, and need to do much better. Can it really just be as simple as the quality of the turf or reffing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2010 It's beginning to sound like we should beat anyone at St Mary's because the pitch is so good, and suited to our players, and I can't wait for this game by the way. This sounds like we are confident of turning Leeds over. Unfortunately we still have away games to play this season, and need to do much better. Can it really just be as simple as the quality of the turf or reffing? Biggest problem is, we will have 23 away matches to play next season, unless the Football League change the rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Biggest problem is, we will have 23 away matches to play next season, unless the Football League change the rules... Someone needs to appeal this ridiculous decision NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Noodles. Before the weekend Huddersfield were in 6th place & we have 2 games in hand over them. However, after the weekends games Milwall moved into 6th place & we only have 1 game in hand over them. It was always a mistake to say we had 2 games in hand for the play-off places, Millwall were equal on points with Huddersfield before last week, so we still only really had 1 game in hand on them, and we still have. A point a few were making before all this bull**** about having 2 games in hand. Thats why the chances of the play-offs were far more remote than some were trying to make out, people were focusing on the wrong target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/5047866.Saints_won_t_give_up_play_off_bid/ First part of report is reassuring. Pity the second part descends into excuse-making. Must be the sort of bloke likely to bid 2000 dollars for a ghost in a bottle then. I will sum up our play-offs chances very succinctly--non existent and if AP believes otherwise it's just to please his boss. We had our chance,we needed to win last Saturday and we f*cked it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Biggest problem is, we will have 23 away matches to play next season, unless the Football League change the rules... Win your home games, draw your away games, 92 points. Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Win your home games, draw your away games, 92 points. Easy. And for every home game drawn you need to win one away, elementary, until you lose a couple of home games that is.You just have to look at the difference between our record and that of Norwich, we've only lost 1 more game than they have so far but we are 21 actual points behind them.It's because they draw very few games compared to us,yet we (in theory) have the better side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polegategavin Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 The team you need to look at is Swindon, look at their next 4 or 5 games. I believe the defeat against Tranmere was the final nail in our play-off aspirations. However, if Swindon and Huddersfield have a difficult March, and we put that defeat behind us and win most of our March matches then who knows...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesb Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 We have a chance as long as its still mathematically possible. That is all there is to it really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 I envisage a couple of cases of our hopes being raised then dashed again before the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2010 I envisage a couple of cases of our hopes being raised then dashed again before the end of the season. Its what being a Saints fan is all about, innit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Surely, that while debate is based simply on what your own personal expectations are - If you believe (we are led NC believes) that the investment made should demand a play off place, that quite rightly you will currently not be best pleased and quite 'negative' about the situation....If on the other hand, your years of being a football fan have led you to understand that simply spending money and even with a good manager does not equal guaranteed success over night, and believe that progress made slowly is more sustainable than rapid quick fixes, then this pragmatism tends to see these fans happy with the progress made to date if not the inconsistency of results... you takes your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Biggest problem is, we will have 23 away matches to play next season, unless the Football League change the rules... Right, and if our current form continues we will probably finish in the top two. If we get a bit better we'll win the league easily. Happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 AP is going to talk about how great chocolate is Really? If this is true and AP is doing cookery shows or something (I assume it won't be part of a Saints Player interview) whilst we throw away any chance of getting promoted then that is a disgrace. Maybe AP should spend a bit more time on the training ground making sure we don't concede any later goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 We have a chance as long as its still mathematically possible. That is all there is to it really! Good point actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Really? If this is true and AP is doing cookery shows or something (I assume it won't be part of a Saints Player interview) whilst we throw away any chance of getting promoted then that is a disgrace. Maybe AP should spend a bit more time on the training ground making sure we don't concede any later goals. he has free time the same as anyone else, he's at liberty to use as he wishes I guess. Being a football manager doesn't make you a slave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Right, and if our current form continues we will probably finish in the top two. If we get a bit better we'll win the league easily. Happy days. Not true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Right, and if our current form continues we will probably finish in the top two. If we get a bit better we'll win the league easily. Happy days. We have 44 points. If we win all our games left, we ill have 83 points. Norwich have 75 points - if they win 3 of their remaining games (11), they would be above us Leeds have 68 points - if they win 5 of their remaining games (12) and draw one, they would eb above us Charlton have 66 points - if they win 6 of their remaining games (11), they would be above us. Therefore, I am forced to conclude what you asserted is nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Really? If this is true and AP is doing cookery shows or something (I assume it won't be part of a Saints Player interview) whilst we throw away any chance of getting promoted then that is a disgrace. Maybe AP should spend a bit more time on the training ground making sure we don't concede any later goals. Look, he is there cooking up a solution to our midfield challenges at away grounds. Can I also point out that the most succesful team in the league has a chef as Chairman. If that is not good enough reason to consider the implications of food in our success I don't know what is. Muppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 And for every home game drawn you need to win one away, elementary, until you lose a couple of home games that is.You just have to look at the difference between our record and that of Norwich, we've only lost 1 more game than they have so far but we are 21 actual points behind them.It's because they draw very few games compared to us,yet we (in theory) have the better side. But all this occured in August and September. We know this. Why do people keep ignoring that we won feck all for two months? That is why we are adrift of the play-offs. No other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 But all this occured in August and September. We know this. Why do people keep ignoring that we won feck all for two months? That is why we are adrift of the play-offs. No other reason. Other reason: Failing to beat teams like Tranmere, Wycombe, Brentford, Millwall, Brighton, Leyton Orient............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 But all this occured in August and September. We know this. Why do people keep ignoring that we won feck all for two months? That is why we are adrift of the play-offs. No other reason. did we lose 21 points in those months? Now as I see if we take off say 6 for the two games more that they've played we are still 15 points gained behind without counting -10 of course. So we got 9 points from our first 10 games, so if what you say is right we needed to get 24 from those 10, ie win 8/10, but wait up Norwich got tonked on opening day so that can't be right either. Your "it's all about August and September" doesn't really stand up, it's about sawtooth results all season long, like losing at home to Brighton, going to Leeds and then Colchester and getting 0 points from that and above all not beating any one of Exeter,Brentford,Millwall,Orient,Wycombe or Tranmere away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2010 did we lose 21 points in those months? Now as I see if we take off say 6 for the two games more that they've played we are still 15 points gained behind without counting -10 of course. So we got 9 points from our first 10 games, so if what you say is right we needed to get 24 from those 10, ie win 8/10, but wait up Norwich got tonked on opening day so that can't be right either. Your "it's all about August and September" doesn't really stand up, it's about sawtooth results all season long, like losing at home to Brighton, going to Leeds and then Colchester and getting 0 points from that and above all not beating any one of Exeter,Brentford,Millwall,Orient,Wycombe or Tranmere away. I dont know why you are bothering. Its like explaining colour to a blind man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Other reason: Failing to beat teams like Tranmere, Wycombe, Brentford, Millwall, Brighton, Leyton Orient............... Nope. Its perfectly normal to whack the top teams then perform like cr*p against teams that are at the bottom for being persistently sh*te all season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 We have 44 points. If we win all our games left, we ill have 83 points. Norwich have 75 points - if they win 3 of their remaining games (11), they would be above us Leeds have 68 points - if they win 5 of their remaining games (12) and draw one, they would eb above us Charlton have 66 points - if they win 6 of their remaining games (11), they would be above us. Therefore, I am forced to conclude what you asserted is nonsense. I think Benjii is implying if we take our current form into next season. And then you'll find he is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2010 I think Benjii is implying if we take our current form into next season. And then you'll find he is correct. I'd like to know why that assumption is reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Priority 1 - Make sure that we keep our best players for another season in Div 1 Priority 2 - Try and add a couple of players which might help " dig out " results away from home next season Priority 3 - Win the JPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Yet ANOTHER thread about not making/making the playoffs... yawn.. How many more does there need to be.../ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2010 Yet ANOTHER thread about not making/making the playoffs... yawn.. How many more does there need to be.../ 1. What is more important to this club ? 2. If you dont like it, dont read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 We have 44 points. If we win all our games left, we ill have 83 points. Norwich have 75 points - if they win 3 of their remaining games (11), they would be above us Leeds have 68 points - if they win 5 of their remaining games (12) and draw one, they would eb above us Charlton have 66 points - if they win 6 of their remaining games (11), they would be above us. Therefore, I am forced to conclude what you asserted is nonsense. You are right. I forgot to add "next season". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 March, 2010 Share Posted 9 March, 2010 1. What is more important to this club ? 2. If you dont like it, dont read it. ah but perhaps he can't resist, sort of Year of the Cat, just looks in to see what's waiting inside.Also like Dan Brown and Tom Clancy novels, you know it's shîte but if you find it on a train seat you'll probably read it anyway.Now if you remember the old newspaper strikes you'll remember that to prevent boredom on the 7.10 to Waterloo bank executives and Civil Servants fought over the last copy of the Topper at the Central Station Newstand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 March, 2010 Share Posted 10 March, 2010 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/5047866.Saints_won_t_give_up_play_off_bid/ First part of report is reassuring. Pity the second part descends into excuse-making. I never for a moment doubted that we still had ambitions for the play-offs, but we can only play one game at a time..and " promising " play-off success is something that AP has carefully avoided ...in case it doesn't happen. Bearing in mind that we are 10 points better than all the teams around us because we've won / drawn the games - and it's only the FA / Lord Mc Whinging that deducted the points from our tally. Like the blind referee, we are a team who is better than our league position shows, though we get no credit for it. Tranmere is not the first time this season we've been "screwed" by an incompetent ref. though hopefully it will be the last ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 March, 2010 Share Posted 10 March, 2010 I never for a moment doubted that we still had ambitions for the play-offs, but we can only play one game at a time..and " promising " play-off success is something that AP has carefully avoided ...in case it doesn't happen. Bearing in mind that we are 10 points better than all the teams around us because we've won / drawn the games - and it's only the FA / Lord Mc Whinging that deducted the points from our tally. Like the blind referee, we are a team who is better than our league position shows, though we get no credit for it. Tranmere is not the first time this season we've been "screwed" by an incompetent ref. though hopefully it will be the last ! what is the exact point of the bold bit? that we're 10 points better than Walsall and 3 points better than Bristol Rovers? is that it? Just asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 March, 2010 Share Posted 10 March, 2010 did we lose 21 points in those months? Now as I see if we take off say 6 for the two games more that they've played we are still 15 points gained behind without counting -10 of course. So we got 9 points from our first 10 games, so if what you say is right we needed to get 24 from those 10, ie win 8/10, but wait up Norwich got tonked on opening day so that can't be right either. Your "it's all about August and September" doesn't really stand up, it's about sawtooth results all season long, like losing at home to Brighton, going to Leeds and then Colchester and getting 0 points from that and above all not beating any one of Exeter,Brentford,Millwall,Orient,Wycombe or Tranmere away. Yes, all losses and draws count, but when you compare our results with the top teams at places like Brentford, Exeter, Millwall, Orient and Wycombe we often got BETTER results than the top clubs!! We lost so much ground over the first third of the season we were always playing catch-up. Yes, funnily enough if those teams beat us (Colchester, Swindon and Leeds) guess what? It puts an un assailable gap between us. So Colchester have 4 points on us come what may. We started slowly for reasons we all understand. 2010 Form is promotion form so it cannot be Tranmere which is the reason we are so far behind can it? The point is we are now in great form (Tranmere aside). On eight game form we are fourth (with Tranmere bizarrely...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 March, 2010 Share Posted 10 March, 2010 Yes, all losses and draws count, but when you compare our results with the top teams at places like Brentford, Exeter, Millwall, Orient and Wycombe we often got BETTER results than the top clubs!! We lost so much ground over the first third of the season we were always playing catch-up. Yes, funnily enough if those teams beat us (Colchester, Swindon and Leeds) guess what? It puts an un assailable gap between us. So Colchester have 4 points on us come what may. We started slowly for reasons we all understand. 2010 Form is promotion form so it cannot be Tranmere which is the reason we are so far behind can it? The point is we are now in great form (Tranmere aside). On eight game form we are fourth (with Tranmere bizarrely...) I would correct your last statement, at home we are in great form, away from SMS we are often very average. It's about too many matches in a short space of time, when we had our week off before the Norwich game we went there and made them look absolutely average.Go to Wycombe a couple of days afterwards on a heavy pitch and we're all at sea. Then a 4 day gap, brilliant,3 days,brilliant again, then a complete disaster. Our problem would seem to be that we have absolutely nothing in reserve or if we have AP doesn't fancy them.We have a first XI comprising 11 players after that its a vacuum because Seaborne isn't a left back and no-one else is either. I want promotion this season because I think another season in this crap league will do for us on a royal basis.Unfortunately we won't get it and haven't really been in line to for quite a while now, other teams keep on offering us lifelines but we throw them away.I wanted to see us do well in the League and the JPT trophy and for the FA Cup well if we'd have got tonked by Eastleigh or Blythe Spartans in the first round by fielding a side with Molyneux and Pulis that would have been an entirely acceptable result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 10 March, 2010 Share Posted 10 March, 2010 he has free time the same as anyone else, he's at liberty to use as he wishes I guess. Being a football manager doesn't make you a slave. Racist comments will not be accepted on SWF. Read the rules buddy. I dont know why you are bothering. Its like explaining colour to a blind man. So not only do we have racism on this thread we also have a comment disparaging the disabled. Well done. There are a few issues here: 1. What is the blind person only lost their sight as an adult - they would remember colours and therefore your "point" is flawed. 2. My Dad is blind (from birth) and he understands colours because he has had them described to him. Maybe with a bit of thought and understanding you could get how this is done, rather than just dismissing the blind as people who are too much bother. In my Dads case he relates colour to temperatures. Itell him that red is warm and that blue is cold etc. Others describe colour through other feelings - so just have a think about what you post before you offend anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 10 March, 2010 Share Posted 10 March, 2010 1. What is more important to this club ? 2. If you dont like it, dont read it. Seeing as you seem to have it on so many threads it is all but impossible to miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 10 March, 2010 Share Posted 10 March, 2010 1. What is more important to this club ? 2. If you dont like it, dont read it. its going to be quiet on here next season when we are a top 2 side winning regulary. Only coming out when we fail to score more than 3 in a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 March, 2010 Share Posted 10 March, 2010 Racist comments will not be accepted on SWF. Read the rules buddy. So not only do we have racism on this thread we also have a comment disparaging the disabled. Well done. There are a few issues here: 1. What is the blind person only lost their sight as an adult - they would remember colours and therefore your "point" is flawed. 2. My Dad is blind (from birth) and he understands colours because he has had them described to him. Maybe with a bit of thought and understanding you could get how this is done, rather than just dismissing the blind as people who are too much bother. In my Dads case he relates colour to temperatures. Itell him that red is warm and that blue is cold etc. Others describe colour through other feelings - so just have a think about what you post before you offend anyone else. Sorry Wiltshire Saint I am a very ignorant person, what do I say that makes me a racist?? Come on man you've started it now now let's be hearing you. Do I mention any race, creed or appartenance, if you don't know what slave means then shut the f*ck up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 10 March, 2010 Share Posted 10 March, 2010 Sorry Wiltshire Saint I am a very ignorant person. Apology accepted, but just think a bit more when you post stuff - consider if it could be racist or not. On a separate note I think you should make an effort to control your language (another punishable offence). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 March, 2010 Share Posted 10 March, 2010 Apology accepted, but just think a bit more when you post stuff - consider if it could be racist or not. On a separate note I think you should make an effort to control your language (another punishable offence). There is no racial connotation in what I say, I don't need to think about it. There is no apology on my part either, it's you who have misrepresented a simple statement.So you can keep your lessons to yourself..thanking you very much. Mods. I resent Wiltshire's remarks about racism of which there was none to be found. Let it be so recorded ..thanks very much.Especially from a poster who can't be arsed to pay his £5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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