Saints Trust

[StuRomseySaint]

So it's been a year to the day since we went into administration.

 

Have any of the 'members' heard back from the Trust as to...

 

a) What has happened with their shareholding?

 

b) What is happening with the members money sat in the Saints Trust bank?

 

c) When the next AGM is?

 

The last activity seems to have been about 4 months ago and was just a blog?

 

Yet I keep seeing references to Saints Trust in the papers and the news most days, so it must still exist, surely?

[yorkie]

You do like to stir things up!

 

Even when handing mates the beer vouchers in The Green Man you were doing your best there too! I saw you!!!

 

a) With regards to the shares the same as all us share holders - they are worth diddly squat!

 

b) Did people really give money to The Trust?

 

c) Who cares?

 

The Trust in concept was a good idea - but like all good ideas it got highjacked and people's egoes took over. Yes - a fan on the board was the ultimate aim - and I guess it had to be someone form The Trust. The jockeying for pole position became evident...was that all it was all about?

 

The fans have a voice - they turn up week in and week out. We don't need the likes of Nick Illingsworth or Perry MacMillan speaking on our behalf. If I have something to say I will write to who I have the gripe with. It usually achieves a polite reply - no real action but I feel better. All these organisations do (IMHO) is wind people up and get no respect - remember the Chorley outburst at a "Saints" gathering?

 

I would just leave well alone Stu - it's old news!

[Saint Keith]

So it's been a year to the day since we went into administration.

 

Have any of the 'members' heard back from the Trust as to...

 

a) What has happened with their shareholding?

 

b) What is happening with the members money sat in the Saints Trust bank?

 

c) When the next AGM is?

 

The last activity seems to have been about 4 months ago and was just a blog?

 

Yet I keep seeing references to Saints Trust in the papers and the news most days, so it must still exist, surely?

 

maybe they are calling themselves something else this week. sisa, saints away, tsa, saints trust, what will it be next?

[StuRomseySaint]

You do like to stir things up!

 

Even when handing mates the beer vouchers in The Green Man you were doing your best there too! I saw you!!!

 

a) With regards to the shares the same as all us share holders - they are worth diddly squat!

 

b) Did people really give money to The Trust?

 

c) Who cares?

 

The Trust in concept was a good idea - but like all good ideas it got highjacked and people's egoes took over. Yes - a fan on the board was the ultimate aim - and I guess it had to be someone form The Trust. The jockeying for pole position became evident...was that all it was all about?

 

The fans have a voice - they turn up week in and week out. We don't need the likes of Nick Illingsworth or Perry MacMillan speaking on our behalf. If I have something to say I will write to who I have the gripe with. It usually achieves a polite reply - no real action but I feel better. All these organisations do (IMHO) is wind people up and get no respect - remember the Chorley outburst at a "Saints" gathering?

 

I would just leave well alone Stu - it's old news!

 

Haha...

 

It would be old news if I didn't see this 'organisation' involved with 'events' like Silverspoons.

 

It would be old news if I didn't see statements and interviews on behalf of the Saints Trust in the news almost daily.

 

In all honesty... don't you think that the fair and proper way would be to close down the organisation properly? Publish transparant accounts etc...

 

Yes people did give money to the Trust, and events etc were organised and sponsorship etc... what happened to all that money? Where shares purchased with all the money?! Where they?!

 

I will shut up about the Trust when I stop seeing the fookin name in the papers.

[StuRomseySaint]

maybe they are calling themselves something else this week. sisa, saints away, tsa, saints trust, what will it be next?

 

I think it's actually 'coyr'

[Saint Keith]

Haha...

 

It would be old news if I didn't see this 'organisation' involved with 'events' like Silverspoons.

 

It would be old news if I didn't see statements and interviews on behalf of the Saints Trust in the news almost daily.

 

In all honesty... don't you think that the fair and proper way would be to close down the organisation properly? Publish transparant accounts etc...

 

Yes people did give money to the Trust, and events etc were organised and sponsorship etc... what happened to all that money?

 

I will shut up about the Trust when I stop seeing the fookin name in the papers.

 

maybe they have found their own little private bar to look after

[dune]

IT’S going to be the biggest party for Saints fans ever held.

 

A team of diehard Southampton fans have hired a huge 2,000 people capacity nightclub for a big party just metres from Wembley Stadium.

 

Organised by Saints Trust chairman Nick Illingsworth, the day’s entertainment at Silver Spoons will be compered by Damon Heritage, pictured in tears ahead of Saints FA Cup final trip in 2003.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/johnstones_paint_trophy_2010/5071135.Saints_fans_plan_to_party_at_Wembley/

 

Why does Illingsworth still parade himself as chairman of the Saints Trust when clearly they have a handful of members at best?

 

On the shambles of a website it states they 834 members which is clearly ********.

[StuRomseySaint]

IT’S going to be the biggest party for Saints fans ever held.

 

A team of diehard Southampton fans have hired a huge 2,000 people capacity nightclub for a big party just metres from Wembley Stadium.

 

Organised by Saints Trust chairman Nick Illingsworth, the day’s entertainment at Silver Spoons will be compered by Damon Heritage, pictured in tears ahead of Saints FA Cup final trip in 2003.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/johnstones_paint_trophy_2010/5071135.Saints_fans_plan_to_party_at_Wembley/

 

Why does Illingsworth still parade himself as chairman of the Saints Trust when clearly they have a handful of members at best?

 

On the shambles of a website it states they 834 members which is clearly ********.

 

They don't have any members because it doesn't exist! And what has happened to the money in their bank account if that is the case?

[aintforever]

I don't think the trust had anything to do with Silverspoons, it was just Illingsworth.

[StuRomseySaint]

You do like to stir things up!

 

Even when handing mates the beer vouchers in The Green Man you were doing your best there too! I saw you!!!

 

 

At least you know I am consistent and as much of a c*nt in real life. :cool:

[MorningtonCrescent]

maybe they have found their own little private bar to look after

 

...in Hamble....

[AndyNorthernSaints]

So it's been a year to the day since we went into administration.

 

Have any of the 'members' heard back from the Trust as to...

 

a) What has happened with their shareholding?

 

b) What is happening with the members money sat in the Saints Trust bank?

 

c) When the next AGM is?

 

The last activity seems to have been about 4 months ago and was just a blog?

 

Yet I keep seeing references to Saints Trust in the papers and the news most days, so it must still exist, surely?

 

If i remember right, you are not a member of the Trust? If this is correct then your personal vendetta seems a bit obsessive.

[StuRomseySaint]

I don't think the trust had anything to do with Silverspoons, it was just Illingsworth.

 

Maybe the Echo should stop using the Saints Trust tag then? I have emailed them twice to ask them why they insist on it... they are yet to reply.

[StuRomseySaint]

If i remember right, you are not a member of the Trust? If this is correct then your personal vendetta seems a bit obsessive.

 

You don't have to be a member of an organisation to have an opinion on it? Do you?

[stevegrant]

I think it's fairly safe to ignore the Trust website, particularly given that it was hacked months ago and they've not bothered to remove the dodgy content.

 

I'm assuming that the outside bloke who took over the development of the site from me shortly before I left hasn't bothered to actually do any of the work he was supposed to do on it, hence why it's remained completely unchanged since then with the exception of one of the old board members writing a few articles. None of the actual data has been updated at all.

[Saint Keith]

I think it's fairly safe to ignore the Trust website, particularly given that it was hacked months ago and they've not bothered to remove the dodgy content.

 

I'm assuming that the outside bloke who took over the development of the site from me shortly before I left hasn't bothered to actually do any of the work he was supposed to do on it, hence why it's remained completely unchanged since then with the exception of one of the old board members writing a few articles. None of the actual data has been updated at all.

 

sounds like they have been taking lessons in business administration from a mr storrie of hayling island

[Hatch]

Can we set up a New Trust and make Stu the chairman,

 

I think he would like that.

[StuRomseySaint]

Can we set up a New Trust and make Stu the chairman,

 

I think he would like that.

 

I am already Chairman of StuRomseySaint club... It basically is a clu..... hang on, got Sky Sports on the phone wanting an interview...

[Noodles34]

from a another post but more valid to this now...

 

Good post, exactly how it was and is now, the question is do e need a group that we can all support.

I understand SRS's concerns about The trust and people like Perry and Rich Chorley, its valid especially the ST supporting RL, that was pretty unacceptable by anyone's standards!

 

Though things are going well at the moment they have gone well before, even during the tenure of RL, remember this is not ML's club, its ours and we will always need to be heard by those running it.

[dune]

The Saints trust - Have Your say

 

http://www.saintstrust.co.uk/guestbook.php

 

13-11-2009

Dennis Bjerre Christiansen

Hi, I'm a journalist from Denmark coming to England to make some articles about English football. I'm going to do something on Saints and it will therefore be nice if I can get an interview with a member of Saints Trust. Your e-mail addresses don't work therefore I'm writing here. Best regards, Dennis Christiansen

 

28-11-2009

Editor

Dennis, sorry for not getting back to you earlier. Try e-mail to Jason at jason.norwood@polystar.co.uk

 

Is Jason Norwood part of the COYR lot?

 

12-02-2010

Roger Parker

I have for some time been a member of Saints trust, found unable to access the members only section, realise my membership had run out and that I was not informed/reminded of the need to renew it My previous email address (under old membership) was r.parker652@btinternet.com Could you please advise me on renewing my membership. I can do this at the King Alfred pub at the next home match if need be Yours Roger Parker

 

I wonder if Illingsworth took his money...

[StuRomseySaint]

from a another post but more valid to this now...

 

Good post, exactly how it was and is now, the question is do e need a group that we can all support.

I understand SRS's concerns about The trust and people like Perry and Rich Chorley, its valid especially the ST supporting RL, that was pretty unacceptable by anyone's standards!

 

Though things are going well at the moment they have gone well before, even during the tenure of RL, remember this is not ML's club, its ours and we will always need to be heard by those running it.

 

You don't need a Trust or anything else... all you need is regular fans forums and transparant communication with the club.

 

If I have an issue I can email the club and they are pretty good at getting back to me.

 

The club might belong to us in name, but the business belongs to Marcus Liebherr... whilst things are going well, he should be left to run the club as he see's fit. The club are looking at ways for more fan involvement, and I imagine these steps will be in place by the start of next season.

 

Luckily... it won't involve any 'leaders' or a 'spokesman/woman'

[Noodles34]

sorry mate, you always need leaders, did you not see Masterchef last night?

[Fan The Flames]

I do tend to agree that the Saints Trust is no longer a valid organisation and it should be offically disbanded and those involved in the running of it should have the decency to stop using it. I was a member and got a share certificate but don't remember getting an oportunity to have a say in who runs it or influence its direction.

 

Disband it and give what ever money to charity.

[Junior Mullet]

I do tend to agree that the Saints Trust is no longer a valid organisation and it should be offically disbanded and those involved in the running of it should have the decency to stop using it. I was a member and got a share certificate but don't remember getting an oportunity to have a say in who runs it or influence its direction.

 

Disband it and give what ever money to charity.

 

Think you may find the money has already been spent on 'expenses'.

[stevegrant]

Think you may find the money has already been spent on 'expenses'.

I'd be very careful what you're alleging there if I were you.

[Rebel]

I don't think COYR has anything to do with the Saints Trust other than a link to Nick Illingsworth - in the same way as the Ugly Inside website.

 

Other people not involved in the Saints Trust are involved in both TUI and COYR as I understand it

 

I have to agree that Nick when doing things as COYR or TUI should probably leave the Saints Trust out of it - but I would guess its not always down to him but the bad journalists from the echo

 

and to be honest I don't see that much difference between COYR with the Silverspoons fiasco and StuRomseySaint with his Green Man deal and his coaches

 

both it seems were doing it for the benefit of their own pockets

 

I would guess that practically all the money the Saints Trust raised was spent on buying shares in SLH plc - as that was its stated aim! Those shares became worthless when the company went into administration so there shouldn't be any money left

 

From my memory Stu you attended the Saints Trust bar at least once - and by all accounts didn't take the opportunity to make your deep feelings known to any of the Trust committee who were there

 

if I were you Stu I'd stop worrying about the Trust so much and focus on the thing you love above all else - StuRomseySaint!

[Barry the Badger]

 

and to be honest I don't see that much difference between COYR with the Silverspoons fiasco and StuRomseySaint with his Green Man deal and his coaches

 

both it seems were doing it for the benefit of their own pockets

 

 

Surely the difference is that Silverspoons was sh*t, whereas Stu appears to have delivered what he promised.

[Vershinin]

SRS seems like a legend. Wish i went to Green Man, seeing him pottering around in person would have been fascinating. Better than being caught using the ladies loos in the spoons place.

[StuRomseySaint]

I don't think COYR has anything to do with the Saints Trust other than a link to Nick Illingsworth - in the same way as the Ugly Inside website.

 

Other people not involved in the Saints Trust are involved in both TUI and COYR as I understand it

 

I have to agree that Nick when doing things as COYR or TUI should probably leave the Saints Trust out of it - but I would guess its not always down to him but the bad journalists from the echo

 

and to be honest I don't see that much difference between COYR with the Silverspoons fiasco and StuRomseySaint with his Green Man deal and his coaches

 

both it seems were doing it for the benefit of their own pockets

 

I would guess that practically all the money the Saints Trust raised was spent on buying shares in SLH plc - as that was its stated aim! Those shares became worthless when the company went into administration so there shouldn't be any money left

 

From my memory Stu you attended the Saints Trust bar at least once - and by all accounts didn't take the opportunity to make your deep feelings known to any of the Trust committee who were there

 

if I were you Stu I'd stop worrying about the Trust so much and focus on the thing you love above all else - StuRomseySaint!

 

How much money had it raised though? How many shares did it buy with that money?

 

I attended the trust bar once, for Griff's memorial and stayed there for about an hour. Steve Grant has heard my rants about the Trust on countless occasions, last time being the hour journey when I gave him a lift home from Wycombe. You were introduced to me and I pulled my hand back ( sarcasticly ) when someone said you were Saints Trust, you had a sulk if I remember rightly.

 

There is a big difference between me and the Green Man and COYR Silverspoon was that all I done was promote the place for the landlord in exchange for a couple of beers and a v.i.p area indoors if it was raining.

 

I ran a coach for my mates at cost price but got offered some dirt cheap coaches and my phone was still ringing so I put them on as a profit-maker. Not once did I ever claim to be 'doing it for the fans' or any other bullsh!t... I done it for my mates... and then I done it to make some money... simples.

 

Oh... and the last difference... the Green Man was a massive success, I would go as far as to say it seems to have been the best venue on the day. I have not heard a bad word said about it... infact I am still getting texts and messages of thanks.... whereas Silverspoons.... :cool:

 

If we get to the play-offs I will be running 8-10 coaches there. I will reserve you a spot with Stu's tours. :-) xx

Edited 1 April, 2010 by StuRomseySaint

[StuRomseySaint]

Oh.... and as I said, the one time I was in the Trust Bar it was as a memorial to a TSF poster, so hardly the time to rant. I would just like to put on record it's not a cyber war, I am happy to sit down over a pint and repeat everything that I said about Saints Trust, I have not got personal vendettas, I just fookin hate the whole concept of the Saints Trust.

[fos]

You know very little about anything Stu. So don't make statements that you cant back up and is none of your business. Get your own life and keep out of other peoples.

 

Love

 

James

[Saint Keith]

You know very little about anything Stu. So don't make statements that you cant back up and is none of your business. Get your own life and keep out of other peoples.

 

Love

 

James

 

and as if by magic.....

 

perhaps Jim you'd like to tell us all why Stu is wrong?

Edited 1 April, 2010 by Saint Keith

[Toomer]

You know very little about anything Stu. So don't make statements that you cant back up and is none of your business. Get your own life and keep out of other peoples.

 

Love

 

James

 

Hello Jim long time no see or speak trust you are well. P

[StuRomseySaint]

You know very little about anything Stu. So don't make statements that you cant back up and is none of your business. Get your own life and keep out of other peoples.

 

Love

 

James

 

I know that the Saints Trust has 'non' existed for over a year now, and during that time there has been no communication with it's members about what is happening with the organisation and what is happening with the money etc...

 

I can't prove 'nothing' ... it's up to you to prove I am wrong, surely? Give me some evidence of the Saints Trust communicating this information to it's members in the last year.

 

If you can, then I will go on record now as saying I will donate £100 to the Wembley walkers if I am proved wrong and the Trust has infact communicated this information to it's members.

 

And it is my business when I am having 'Saints Trust this' and 'Saints Trust that' shoved in every paper, radio and news station constantly. If you want to put yourself in the public firing line... prepare to be shot down... simple as that.

 

Love

 

Stu

 

xxx

[fos]

Don't think anyone minds being shot down. You just dont have any facts, just theories.

 

Please feel free to donate £100.00 to the walkers. We will all be please to see that.

 

If you need any advise on how to run coaches to away matches just contact me. Its not that easy booking into pubs for away games. You need permission from the local constabulary. Doggy ground somtimes. Beware! don't do it behind there backs, they have a habit of getting the hump.

 

Jimbo

[StuRomseySaint]

Don't think anyone minds being shot down. You just dont have any facts, just theories.

 

Please feel free to donate £100.00 to the walkers. We will all be please to see that.

 

If you need any advise on how to run coaches to away matches just contact me. Its not that easy booking into pubs for away games. You need permission from the local constabulary. Doggy ground somtimes. Beware! don't do it behind there backs, they have a habit of getting the hump.

 

Jimbo

 

No, 'Jimbo' , I have a FACT that you/they have not communicated the Trusts future/what has happened to the shares etc to your members since administration. That's a FACT... one that if you had, you could easily prove on here and earn the walkers a quick £100. :-)

 

As for the coaches... the rule is within 10 miles of the ground I believe. Don't need to inform them of where you might go half-way there ( although they do like to know ). Thanks I may contact you 'Jimbo' ... the idea was just a survey, not sure if I will run with it... we shall see.

 

Stuey

Edited 1 April, 2010 by StuRomseySaint

[fos]

I'm not a member of the Saints Trust so I cant answer those questions. As for the trust members share holding it would have been all lost the same as I lost mine when the club went into administration. The Trust is a limited company so accounts would have had to been prepared for the last financial year. Have you looked at company house records, it should be there.

 

fos

[for_heaven's_Saint]

It does p1ss me off constantly seeing NI and the trust claiming to be the voice of the fans when in reality their views tend to be pretty far from my own. I think the echo need to stop interviewing them and they need to stop agreeing to be interviewed.

[Saint_clark]

The point is that the Saints Trust was an organisation for fans to give money to so they could amass as many shares as possible and have more of a say on the running of the club. Since admin there are NO shares, so there is NO point in the Saints Trust, they have NO power at all and have NO right to declare they speak for the people who paid for long since void memberships.

[Saint Keith]

I'm not a member of the Saints Trust so I cant answer those questions. As for the trust members share holding it would have been all lost the same as I lost mine when the club went into administration. The Trust is a limited company so accounts would have had to been prepared for the last financial year. Have you looked at company house records, it should be there.

 

fos

 

well thats where we have a bit of a problem jimbo old boy, as unless they were using an obscure name, according to this, they are not there http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/8e5e09c8ec9934feb41841f8d9adb826/companysearch?disp=1&frfsh=1270139702#result

[StuRomseySaint]

I'm not a member of the Saints Trust so I cant answer those questions. As for the trust members share holding it would have been all lost the same as I lost mine when the club went into administration. The Trust is a limited company so accounts would have had to been prepared for the last financial year. Have you looked at company house records, it should be there.

 

fos

 

Ahhh ok, thanks Jim Jimbo Fos

 

I do not know the trading name nor find it on their website so cannot access that information.

[swannymere]

I feel a little unwell, i can't believe it, but for once SRS is 100% spot on! If the same mouthpieces collected money/shares/school vouchers on behalf of the ST then they need to be transparent about what happened with what they managed to collect.

[CB Fry]

We will never be rid of ego maniac we-know-best uberfans with these two fundemental beliefs:

 

1) "Doing something" is the only solution and as long as you are "doing something" you are beyond criticism. We're trying, how dare you question anything.

 

2) Saints fans know what's best because they are Saints fans. No other qualification, experience, background or attitude matters. Give the job to a Saints fan because they are a Saints fan.

 

 

And the statue, the monument, the living shrine to these eternal we know best we are uberfans beliefs?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What could it be....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Saint Keith]

I feel a little unwell, i can't believe it, but for once SRS is 100% spot on! If the same mouthpieces collected money/shares/school vouchers on behalf of the ST then they need to be transparent about what happened with what they managed to collect.

 

thats the problem with democracy and transparency and people like chorley et al, they only like it when it doesn't apply to them

[StuRomseySaint]

Let's also not mention Saints Aid... how much money was raised? Why the fook was that not published as well?

 

Silverspoons

Saints Aid

Saints Trust

 

One and all the same, none of them transparant and for some reason, you can't find out for love nor money the accounts and what when in/out of them!

[stevegrant]

I can't prove 'nothing' ... it's up to you to prove I am wrong, surely?

Actually, the burden of proof is on the accuser in this country.

 

It does p1ss me off constantly seeing NI and the trust claiming to be the voice of the fans when in reality their views tend to be pretty far from my own. I think the echo need to stop interviewing them and they need to stop agreeing to be interviewed.

So you wouldn't mind Nick being quoted as long as he has the same opinion as you? Sadly (actually, no, fortunately), that's not how it works. Believe it or not, people do have different opinions to you, occasionally.

 

well thats where we have a bit of a problem jimbo old boy, as unless they were using an obscure name, according to this, they are not there http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/8e5e09c8ec9934feb41841f8d9adb826/companysearch?disp=1&frfsh=1270139702#result

"Southampton FC Supporters Society Limited" is what you're looking for. As an industrial and provident society, the registered company name cannot include the word "Trust". As such, I think the bank account is/was in the name of "Southampton FC Supporters Society Limited t/a The Saints Trust".

[StuRomseySaint]

O.K - I can prove that they have not contacted their members, because I have spoken to many of their members and nobody has heard anything and their website hasn't been touched.

 

Also, as they are a providant it costs alot more to gain accounts, an expense which I can't be arsed with.

 

They can't be bothered to tell their members what they have done with the money so why would they tell the tax man?

[Viking Warrior]

So the trust had 834 members , the figure seems similar to the claims of Chorley and Co having that many SISA members.

 

I would have thought out of curtesy that the Trust would have communicated

their demise to its members and subscribers. I was asked to become a member but chose not to as I had a number of shares.

 

At least Mark Fry sent me a letter albeit a terse letter telling me my shares were worth nothing.

 

Im with SOR on this they should at least issue a press release as to what happened to funds etc. Did they not have bucket collections at games at one time before the Saints aid came into exsistence?

[Saint Keith]

"Southampton FC Supporters Society Limited" is what you're looking for. As an industrial and provident society, the registered company name cannot include the word "Trust". As such, I think the bank account is/was in the name of "Southampton FC Supporters Society Limited t/a The Saints Trust".

 

so old jimbo had it wrong then, they were not a limited company as he advised stuey they were

 

in fact they are a provident society, registered at the FSA.

 

details

 

SOUTHAMPTON FC SUPPORTERS SOCIETY LIMITED

Company No. IP30018R

 

Society Name: Southampton FC Supporters Society Limited

Number & Suffix: 30018R

Address: 98 Woburn Gardens

BASINGSTOKE

Hampshire

 

RG22 6UD

Status: Registered

Registered on: 16 Nov 2005

Registration Act: Industrial and Provident Act 1965

Date of Last Move:

Financial Year End: 31/12

Deregistration Date:

Deregistration Method:

Transferred to Society/Company Number:

Transferred to Society/Company Name:

Transfer Method:

 

ive paid the £26.50, and filled out the form and faxed it to the FSA, so should be in receipt of all the trusts financial and accounting documents (well, what exists anyway) within 15 working days

[StuRomseySaint]

As the Saints Aid was organised by the Saints Trust, I assume that the accounts for this even, incoming and outgoing will also be included?