Yorkshire Saint Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8638592.stm Good Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Yep. I feel more disappointment at this time, than perhaps I should. Saints are still not mathematically out of the contest yet, but might as well be, the chance is so slim. But it has still been an excellent season, and although the club will almost certainly be in the same league, it will be the stronger for it. One senses there's a real structure and professionalism at St Marys which is otherwise not to be found outside of the Premiership. Although nothing can be guaranteed in football, it can only be a matter of a few seasons before the club are among the elite again. And in that scenario, we won't be one of the small-fry. From this standpoint, I'd like to see Pardew in that setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 well he might if he's sacked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Pards is a Saint. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 From the horses mouth - that'll do me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Doesnt NC have a say on this as well ? Personally, I view this as good news. But make no bones (and I am sure AP is aware), there is huge expectation to deliver between now and Xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Doesnt NC have a say on this as well ? Personally, I view this as good news. But make no bones (and I am sure AP is aware), there is huge expectation to deliver between now and Xmas. I think a lot of us feel the same. This year I've been prepared to settle for a lot less than we actually achieved (I honestly thought we'd be battling relegation with the team we had in August coupled with the -10) becuase of the relegation/adminstration issues. Those are gone now so next year I will exepect a lot more on the understanding that a) we keep the current team together b) if we can't keep our best players we make sure we get good quaility replacements for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Doesnt NC have a say on this as well ? Personally, I view this as good news. But make no bones (and I am sure AP is aware), there is huge expectation to deliver between now and Xmas. Of course there is. This season there was much division between expectations; some were happy with just survival, some expected mid-table, and some expected play-offs. I was in the "mid-table with a late play-off push a bonus" category, so can probably say that the season will end just coming up a tiny bit short of my hopes. But for next season there does seem to be a general consensus that the top two is not only realistic, but what we should be expecting from our current set-up. I do think that AP is the man to deliver that, and that the rumours I keep hearing of a change of manager would only be a bad thing for us. But I think AP knows that if he does not live up to all these expectations we will see the ruthless side of NC again, and probably with some justification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Retaining the JPT is the priority for next season imo. If this means resting players in league games then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 From the horses mouth - that'll do me. Pedant alert.... It's from the jockey rather than the horse....to be completely accurate in the analogy department... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Retaining the JPT is the priority for next season imo. If this means resting players in league games then so be it. I predict 74 bites to this one.... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 "If it works don't fix it " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 pardew now has the toold to deliver title winning form over a longer period.. I think we can do it next season wont be a bad return....2 trophies in 2 seasons...not very saints like at all...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 NC has told AP "Its top 2 at Xmas or bye bye" (Exact words) Lets hope he's up 2 it? Lets face it - I could get this squad promoted next season and my management experience is extensive but not as recognised as AP's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 (edited) NC has told AP "Its top 2 at Xmas or bye bye" (Exact words) Lets hope he's up 2 it? Lets face it - I could get this squad promoted next season and my management experience is extensive but not as recognised as AP's In GS I trust - FACT Edited 23 April, 2010 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Doesnt NC have a say on this as well ? Personally, I view this as good news. But make no bones (and I am sure AP is aware), there is huge expectation to deliver between now and Xmas. I don't see what's so special about xmas (apart from Santa), surely he has to deliver between the start & end of next season. Our position at christmas is completely irrelevant. ??: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 I don't see what's so special about xmas (apart from Santa), surely he has to deliver between the start & end of next season. Our position at christmas is completely irrelevant. ??: Its has been made clear, even by AP, he is on an 18month review - approximately Xmas. And it is the start of a new transfer window, and approximately half-way through the season. It leaves enough time to effect change without throwing the season away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Its has been made clear, even by AP, he is on an 18month review - approximately Xmas. And it is the start of a new transfer window, and approximately half-way through the season. It leaves enough time to effect change without throwing the season away. Should he not deliver. But its all totally academic right now as he is staying and intends to succeed in getting Saints promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Discount the minus 10 and the 1st ten games and AP has done a grand job this season. I was sceptical during our poor run after xmas but will now back him 100% I may email him and offer my support (tactics, training, players diet ect) does anyone have his email? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 I don't see what's so special about xmas (apart from Santa), surely he has to deliver between the start & end of next season. Our position at christmas is completely irrelevant. ??: Yes and no. We need to IMO in the top five and with close distance of first and second come Christmas, the season is long and teams can make late surges if well placed so sacking AP at christmas for being say fourth and six pts of first would make no sense. If we're in 15th place and 18pts of 1st at christmas then fine time to try someone new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 alan@sfc.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 NC has told AP "Its top 2 at Xmas or bye bye" (Exact words) Lets hope he's up 2 it? Lets face it - I could get this squad promoted next season and my management experience is extensive but not as recognised as AP's A bit harsh what if we're third on goal difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Quick question.... Is the club compelled to compete in the JPT next season (by virtue of its contract with the Football League) or could Cortese withdraw the club from the competition if he felt it was the right thing to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 (edited) Quick question.... Is the club compelled to compete in the JPT next season (by virtue of its contract with the Football League) or could Cortese withdraw the club from the competition if he felt it was the right thing to do? I have no idea I imagine not or clubs would be pulling out of cup comps all over the place. If we could I'd rather defend the JPT (more chance of winning) and pull out of the Carling cup. Having said that I love the cups it's sad so many clubs see them as a hindrance these days rather than something to aim for. Edited 23 April, 2010 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 I have no idea I imagine not or clubs would be pulling out of cup comps all over the place. If we could I'd rather defend the JPT (more chance of winning) and pull out of the Carling cup. Having said that I love the cups it's sad so many clubs see them as a hindrance these days rather than something to aim. The trouble with the JPT is that you can't field a really weak side and a strong side would be overly criticised if they lost to league 2 strugglers. Didn't stop Millwall losing against Barnet though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolosfc Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Of course there is. This season there was much division between expectations; some were happy with just survival, some expected mid-table, and some expected play-offs. I was in the "mid-table with a late play-off push a bonus" category, so can probably say that the season will end just coming up a tiny bit short of my hopes. But for next season there does seem to be a general consensus that the top two is not only realistic, but what we should be expecting from our current set-up. I do think that AP is the man to deliver that, and that the rumours I keep hearing of a change of manager would only be a bad thing for us. But I think AP knows that if he does not live up to all these expectations we will see the ruthless side of NC again, and probably with some justification. I was in the same mind as you, believing that "mid-table with a late play-off push" would be a good season. Therefore I don't understand how this season has, as you put it: "ended up coming a bit short". We have been mid table or above since the turn of the year, constantly making slight ground up on the sides above us, resulting in our highest position of the season, 2 places off the play offs. We now have 3 games left and a chance (very, very slim at that) but still an outside chance of making the play offs. If that isn't mid table with a late play-off push I don't know what is!! COYR 3 wins and who knows..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolosfc Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Also, all this talk of pulling out of cup competitions is ridiculous! We won the JPT, had a fantastic day out at Wembley and will defend it next year if we don't go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Should he not deliver. But its all totally academic right now as he is staying and intends to succeed in getting Saints promoted. Of course. I was only explaining the rationale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Doesnt NC have a say on this as well ? Personally, I view this as good news. But make no bones (and I am sure AP is aware), there is huge expectation to deliver between now and Xmas. Why Xmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 (edited) alan@sfc.co.uk Thanks - email sent Edited 23 April, 2010 by Glasgow_Saint Glasgow_Saint is amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Also, all this talk of pulling out of cup competitions is ridiculous! We won the JPT, had a fantastic day out at Wembley and will defend it next year if we don't go up. The big difference next season I hope is that we won't have so many cup-tied/loan players. Therefore the JPT will not disrupt things by having to juggle the team. We should be approaching the JPT in the same way we do the league (not higher or lower priority), with the same best team put out. AP will apparently be judged after 18 months (Dec10/Jan11) as would most mamagers in this situation. Personally if we are not top of the league at that point next season then something will not be right, thats not saying we should walk it in an arrogant way, but we should have the infrastructure and team to make that happen. Pushing for a play-off place at Xmas would be a huge failure IMHO. But I'm confident that we will be top or 2nd at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 I was in the same mind as you, believing that "mid-table with a late play-off push" would be a good season. Therefore I don't understand how this season has, as you put it: "ended up coming a bit short". We have been mid table or above since the turn of the year, constantly making slight ground up on the sides above us, resulting in our highest position of the season, 2 places off the play offs. We now have 3 games left and a chance (very, very slim at that) but still an outside chance of making the play offs. If that isn't mid table with a late play-off push I don't know what is!! COYR 3 wins and who knows..... Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all disappointed with this season, just the opposite. I think given all that's happened to us, the turnaround in the club has been extremely impressive and I think AP has done a fantastic job. I said that it looks like the season will come up a tiny bit short, but only for what I HOPED we could potentially do, and not what I EXPECTED. At the start of the season the aim was certainly for the playoffs, but that for me was certainly more hope than expectation. Still, those hopes were there and in that regard alone we'll come up a bit short. However, in saying that, the team will certainly have exceeded my expectations. It sounds a bit **** eyed I know. Anyway, I certainly didn't mean it to sound critical of the team at all, as for me this has been a great season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Why Xmas? FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Why Xmas? It's in the article linked. AP: "The owners have said to me I'd be judged after 18 months because obviously they want to get out of this division and I've never waned from the belief that I will do that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pav Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 (edited) Its has been made clear, even by AP, he is on an 18month review - approximately Xmas. And it is the start of a new transfer window, and approximately half-way through the season. It leaves enough time to effect change without throwing the season away. okay this is scenario by xmas, saints are just outside (around two points deficit) top two, still half a season to go to turn things round andn yet that may not be satisfactory for NC. I don't feel it's wise to have review half way through the season, i think AP should be given two years in job before review. sorry slightly edited play offs replaced by top two Edited 23 April, 2010 by Pav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommi Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Sounds silly I know but if we stay down for one more season, develop and enhance that winning mentality we will be in a better place to challenge in the championship. Next season I fully expect us to turn a number of the draws from this season into wins. With a strong winning mentality who knows where we can go. Look at the number of teams who have completed back to back promotions, with a settled squad, another year of development I think it's possible.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Retaining the JPT is the priority for next season imo. If this means resting players in league games then so be it. Well if we lose the first 3 games of the season, there is really no logical alternative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Pedant alert.... It's from the jockey rather than the horse....to be completely accurate in the analogy department... Where ever it came from ...... it's a million times better than straight from the horse's arse as per previous regimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 okay this is scenario by xmas, saints are just outside (around two points deficit) top two, still half a season to go to turn things round andn yet that may not be satisfactory for NC. I don't feel it's wise to have review half way through the season, i think AP should be given two years in job before review. sorry slightly edited play offs replaced by top two Wise or not, it has been common knowledge since he was brought in that AP would be judged after 18 months. I doubt very much that he's been set an actual target to hit by a particular date. But clearly NC will take a decision around Xmas time, and if he feels we are too many points away from 1st and 2nd I fully expect him to wield the axe. How many points that will be, or exactly when, only Mr Cortese knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Of course. I was only explaining the rationale. I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Swindon lost their opening game 5-1 this season but have gone on to have a good season. Imagine the reaction on here if that happened to Saints? Don't think everyone would be thinking Xmas then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Doesnt NC have a say on this as well ? Personally, I view this as good news. But make no bones (and I am sure AP is aware), there is huge expectation to deliver between now and Xmas. Agree on all counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Swindon lost their opening game 5-1 this season but have gone on to have a good season. Imagine the reaction on here if that happened to Saints? Don't think everyone would be thinking Xmas then. Norwich lost their opening game 7-1 and changed the manager very soon afterwards.I would think even an iffy start next season would bring about rapid action from NC, if it doesn't happen before of course because despite all the waffle that I read on here I am by no means sure that it's nailed on that AP will start the season with us. If were more than 10 points off 6th place (which we probably won't be) then I'll wait until NC expresses himself on the subject (or does nothing about it,whichever the case might be) .Then again Markus might be so chuffed with his day ou at Wembley he may have already overruled NC who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Doesnt NC have a say on this as well ? Personally, I view this as good news. But make no bones (and I am sure AP is aware), there is huge expectation to deliver between now and Xmas. No, there is a huge expectation to be promoted. By my reckoning, no club has ever been promoted on December 25th... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Discount the minus 10 and the 1st ten games and AP has done a grand job this season. I was sceptical during our poor run after xmas but will now back him 100% I may email him and offer my support (tactics, training, players diet ect) does anyone have his email? We didn't have a poor run after Xmas. We've had top two form since October. FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 It's in the article linked. AP: "The owners have said to me I'd be judged after 18 months because obviously they want to get out of this division and I've never waned from the belief that I will do that." 18 months would be 17th January 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 FFS. Those were my words when I read that we should change our manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Why Xmas? Because Alps said so, and woe betide Mr Pardew should he fail to deliver. The SWF fan of the year has spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 Because Alps said so, and woe betide Mr Pardew should he fail to deliver. The SWF fan of the year has spoken. Look, you know as well as i do, if we don`t win every game next season, alpine and his posse will be slagging Pardew off big style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 April, 2010 Share Posted 23 April, 2010 We didn't have a poor run after Xmas. We've had top two form since October. FACT. But just on goal difference;) Norwich are better 71 from 33 and Millwall are exactly the same 68/33 but we have about +5 on GD both started pretty badly as well but they didn't have the -10 points. However they will both finish more than 10 points above us as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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