Bakovnetski Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 Jan apparently tried to sign him when he was coaching in The Netherlands. What was the motivation. Apparently he hasn't set the world alight on loan spells. Maybe someone can shed some light on this shrewd (or crude) decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 I don't mean to be cynical but I don't believe Jan tried signing him before. To me it just seems like a comment to try and prove that he is making the transfer decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 we are broke. We are in CCC. We are towards the bottom of CCC and have been for a year. We will not buy anyone who is setting the world alight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 He is a Southampton player who needs our support, and that's an end to it. People writing off players before they've even donned the shirt - sadly typical. Remember the abuse leveled at Holmes when we signed him? And who hear now isn't praying he gets fit ASAP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 He is a Southampton player who needs our support, and that's an end to it. People writing off players before they've even donned the shirt - sadly typical. Remember the abuse leveled at Holmes when we signed him? And who hear now isn't praying he gets fit ASAP? well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 He is a Southampton player who needs our support, and that's an end to it. People writing off players before they've even donned the shirt - sadly typical. Remember the abuse leveled at Holmes when we signed him? And who hear now isn't praying he gets fit ASAP? When he dons the shirt....Unless he has fully recovered from his injury and match fitness is up to scratch it may take a few more weeks at least. Ex colleague who lives and supports Sheffield Wed. Do I believe him? Do we do this sort of thing at Saints? Yes. Robertson could not really do it for Torquay when on loan but to be fair Mighty Mac never did anything at Port Vale or Bournemouth.. Come to think of it not quite done it at Saints yet. My comparison of Robertson is like loaning out Baseya to Crewe or present day someone like Patterson being loaned out to fellow CCC team. If Robertson was fit. He would have been a regular player or at least in the squad or in the reckoning at United. Who are you going to give a chance next...Gasmi, Pulis,Robertson....... To be honest Holmes was ok but had not yet confirmed his status as a first team player in such a short space of time and would not have got into a top 10 CCC side on the early games.. But ok for us in the bottom 3/4 as we have nothing better or do we? Reality is that when that shirt ever goes on and they do their best the Saints supporters would do their best for that player and the team. So tell the Chairman to stop feeding us third or fourth cast offs and attacking the supporters through strategically placed buddies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven on the wing Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 This swap appears to be a case of - lets get Dyer off the wage bill for 3 months & who have you got spare in return who is on low wages ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 To be honest Holmes was ok but had not yet confirmed his status as a first team player in such a short space of time and would not have got into a top 10 CCC side on the early games.. I'm amazed you haven't yet clicked that Holmes (along with Lallana) was the thing holding the team together in the first month. I don't want to stray into "Prutton will save us" territory here, but EVERYTHING which gave us a cutting edge went through Holmes before his injury. He provided a stream of decent crosses, as well as holding the ball up, giving us an outlet from defence (the whole of preseason we were hitting crossfield passes to him in order to break quickly, since he's been out we're ponderous and possession-keeping without creating a threat because the opposition gets players back and aren't facing their own goal when we deliver the ball) and he usually beat his man and provided the sort of end product Dyer never has. Losing Holmes without a direct replacement in the same style has meant we've had to totally revamp the pattern of play and the team hasn't adjusted to it yet. I know nothing about Robertson, but I know Dyer wasn't going to fit in our system, failed dismally to replace Holmes in the games he had, and still has some name value to get us a decent trade. Hopefully we come out at the good end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 I'm amazed you haven't yet clicked that Holmes (along with Lallana) was the thing holding the team together in the first month. I don't want to stray into "Prutton will save us" territory here, but EVERYTHING which gave us a cutting edge went through Holmes before his injury. He provided a stream of decent crosses, as well as holding the ball up, giving us an outlet from defence (the whole of preseason we were hitting crossfield passes to him in order to break quickly, since he's been out we're ponderous and possession-keeping without creating a threat because the opposition gets players back and aren't facing their own goal when we deliver the ball) and he usually beat his man and provided the sort of end product Dyer never has. Losing Holmes without a direct replacement in the same style has meant we've had to totally revamp the pattern of play and the team hasn't adjusted to it yet. I know nothing about Robertson, but I know Dyer wasn't going to fit in our system, failed dismally to replace Holmes in the games he had, and still has some name value to get us a decent trade. Hopefully we come out at the good end of it. Yes after careful consideration and discussion with Honiton group of Saints supporters who have seen more than me. The vote is that on this occasion you might be right. Let us hope Holmes comes back soon having found a yard of pace which he needs and shows what he can do in a struggling side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 He will score today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 I don't mean to be cynical but I don't believe Jan tried signing him before. To me it just seems like a comment to try and prove that he is making the transfer decisions. I share your doubts about the truth in Jans comment;he's just learnt some good management speak/cliches. If Jan did try and sign him however it proves that Jan at least believed the bloke to be up to the standard required at Helmond Sport,and the player was a realistic target for them.Just hope he's up to the CCC level we need. Good luck to the bloke at the start of his Saints career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 I'm amazed you haven't yet clicked that Holmes (along with Lallana) was the thing holding the team together in the first month. I don't want to stray into "Prutton will save us" territory here, but EVERYTHING which gave us a cutting edge went through Holmes before his injury. He provided a stream of decent crosses, as well as holding the ball up, giving us an outlet from defence (the whole of preseason we were hitting crossfield passes to him in order to break quickly, since he's been out we're ponderous and possession-keeping without creating a threat because the opposition gets players back and aren't facing their own goal when we deliver the ball) and he usually beat his man and provided the sort of end product Dyer never has. Losing Holmes without a direct replacement in the same style has meant we've had to totally revamp the pattern of play and the team hasn't adjusted to it yet. I know nothing about Robertson, but I know Dyer wasn't going to fit in our system, failed dismally to replace Holmes in the games he had, and still has some name value to get us a decent trade. Hopefully we come out at the good end of it. Agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 He is a Southampton player who needs our support, and that's an end to it. People writing off players before they've even donned the shirt - sadly typical. Remember the abuse leveled at Holmes when we signed him? And who hear now isn't praying he gets fit ASAP? Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 I don't mean to be cynical but I don't believe Jan tried signing him before. To me it just seems like a comment to try and prove that he is making the transfer decisions. Unsubstantiated and very unfair comment. People can disagree with some of JP's decisions, I do, but the two things you do get from him are frankness and honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 He is a Southampton player who needs our support, and that's an end to it. People writing off players before they've even donned the shirt - sadly typical. Remember the abuse leveled at Holmes when we signed him? And who hear now isn't praying he gets fit ASAP? No-one is slating him, we just don't need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 No-one is slating him, we just don't need him. But he is probably cheaper so it`s ok.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 Welcome Jordan. Funny how we always "don't need" these players when we know nothing about then. Maybe he can play one of the wide roles? Hopefully he's a more committed player than Dyer anyway. Still looking forward to Pulis and Gasmi coming in too. Do hope they'll be made vaguely welcome anyway. Pulis and Gasmi will be made welcome, but we've now got John, McGoldrick, Pekhart, and Robertson who can play striker, and as for the wide roles we have McGoldrick (according to Jan), BWP, Surman, Lallana, Pekhart, White Paterson, Thomson, James and Holmes when fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 Being a massive fan of Torquay (and a follower of the Saints) I can tell you Robertson was a player who had a lot of skill and also had the presence. He is about 6"3 and a good finisher. He can play on the wing but no doubt he will want to play up top. He hasn't played at this level before though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 27 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 27 September, 2008 He is a Southampton player who needs our support, and that's an end to it. People writing off players before they've even donned the shirt - sadly typical. Remember the abuse leveled at Holmes when we signed him? And who hear now isn't praying he gets fit ASAP? Pardon me SD but I didn't write him off at all in opening up this thread, the premise is even handed and a debate opener. 3 responses in and you've assumed everyone is slagging him off. I was hoping for some enlightenment on the quotes made in the press and any more details on the player so that people can maybe form an opinion. Forums do allow opinions don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 Robertson is only on loan! Possibly for just 3 months. Seems harsh that some people want to criticise trying out another striker when it is an area that any team can always try to improve, and needs adequate cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 Pardon me SD but I didn't write him off at all in opening up this thread, the premise is even handed and a debate opener. 3 responses in and you've assumed everyone is slagging him off. I was hoping for some enlightenment on the quotes made in the press and any more details on the player so that people can maybe form an opinion. Forums do allow opinions don't they? Your not a real fan IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 29 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 29 September, 2008 Your not a real fan IMO You slag! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 29 September, 2008 Share Posted 29 September, 2008 No-one is slating him, we just don't need him. Why on earth not? We've switched for a 4-4-2 and we only have three out and out strikers before Robertson arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 29 September, 2008 Share Posted 29 September, 2008 Pardon me SD but I didn't write him off at all in opening up this thread, the premise is even handed and a debate opener. 3 responses in and you've assumed everyone is slagging him off. I was hoping for some enlightenment on the quotes made in the press and any more details on the player so that people can maybe form an opinion. Forums do allow opinions don't they? The phrasing of the inital post seemed designed to elicit a negative response, my apologies if that was not the intention but it certainly read that way. After all we've all mocked opposition players with cries of 'who' and your post was a gnat's chuff away from that. Robertson's record on loan is solid if not spectacular and shows steady improvement. Yes he's not setting the world alight, but neither is Nathan. We are having a problem scoring goals so the more competition up front the better whilst we've more right sided midfielders than we can shake a stick at. Adn if Sheffield United have been touting him about for loan moves for a couple of years it wouldn't surprise me at all if Jan hadn't looked at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 29 September, 2008 Share Posted 29 September, 2008 In that case he will be in the squad for Norwich and we will all find out. If training yet. Surprised he was not in squad for Doncaster as a sub at least. Then again he could be one for the future. The truth of the matter is he as good as Patterson. Not worried about numbers on books but must be close to overload on the team bus and particularly wages. We win against Norwich and I will stop worrying. A win at Coventry would be nice as well and these loan signings whether fit or not will not be required some time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 September, 2008 Share Posted 29 September, 2008 This swap appears to be a case of - lets get Dyer off the wage bill for 3 months & who have you got spare in return who is on low wages ? funny thats exactly what I thought and seeing as they pay some of their apprentices £75,000 a year up there it was probably harder to find one on peanuts than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 September, 2008 Share Posted 29 September, 2008 we are broke. We are in CCC. We are towards the bottom of CCC and have been for a year. We will not buy anyone who is setting the world alight. And even then you can't be sure that they'd bring the desired result. ie Citeh yesterday,Tottenham. Big money transfers nowadays are a lottery, designed to sell shirts and boost crowds-until the novelty wears off.Don't know how much Wigan payed for Taki-but he was worth at least double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mprobert Posted 29 September, 2008 Share Posted 29 September, 2008 Hopefully he's a more committed player than Dyer anyway. I dont think thats asking much is it!? I'm sure thats a big part of why Dyer is offski (I mean apart from Dyer being on a decent wage, a part time criminal allegedly, lightweight, altitudinally and intellectually challenged, and not being a very good footballer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 29 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 29 September, 2008 The phrasing of the inital post seemed designed to elicit a negative response, my apologies if that was not the intention but it certainly read that way. After all we've all mocked opposition players with cries of 'who' and your post was a gnat's chuff away from that. Robertson's record on loan is solid if not spectacular and shows steady improvement. Yes he's not setting the world alight, but neither is Nathan. We are having a problem scoring goals so the more competition up front the better whilst we've more right sided midfielders than we can shake a stick at. Adn if Sheffield United have been touting him about for loan moves for a couple of years it wouldn't surprise me at all if Jan hadn't looked at him. Point taken on the phraseology. The "Who he?" was more of a Private Eye type headline rather than the potentially negative "Who's he?" as you rightly say. I agree with the sentiment that we need some more competition up front especially for McG who seems to be having the usual ego trip associated with youngsters once they get picked for a regular run in the team. Maybe there's not a whole lot out there about this kid. As long as he's not just here to make up the numbers and cost us cash then the addition is welcome. I saw the article which suggested JP wanted rid of Nathan Dyer because he was not motivated (or the reverse logic that this kid is) so maybe that's the root cause of the swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 29 September, 2008 Share Posted 29 September, 2008 Does he have a broken metatarsal? I thought that was what we looked for in players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 He shoots, he scores!!!! Look's like the management know what they are doing after tonights result!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 He shoots, he scores!!!! Look's like the management know what they are doing after tonights result!! Give it another two games, another two losses and the management will be crap again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 He shoots, he scores!!!! Look's like the management know what they are doing after tonights result!! good goal too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 Does he have a broken metatarsal? I thought that was what we looked for in players? oh lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 First class strike from Robertson tonight; a fine way to mark his debut. As well as the goal, he also put in a good performance. He used his strength really well and put in a fantastic shift for the team. Good stuff all round and I look forward to seeing what more he has to offer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 Everyone owe's me a pat on the back, I did say he would score, just in the wrong debut game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 1 October, 2008 Share Posted 1 October, 2008 Stunning performance from the new guy. He didn't look like a true left winger in those first 25 minutes and seems JP saw that as well. I was directly in line with him for his cracking goal. Once up the centre he gave us energy, running, good control, brought other players into the game and an eye for goal. If he carries on like his debut he will be a fantastic 'acquisition'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 1 October, 2008 Share Posted 1 October, 2008 Jan apparently tried to sign him when he was coaching in The Netherlands. What was the motivation. Apparently he hasn't set the world alight on loan spells. Maybe someone can shed some light on this shrewd (or crude) decision. Bakovnetski....who he!! Get those donkey ears on my boy!!:smt118 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 1 October, 2008 Share Posted 1 October, 2008 Bakovnetski....who he!! Get those donkey ears on my boy!!:smt118 Let me get this right. You want Bakovenetski to put fake donkey ears on your son? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 1 October, 2008 Share Posted 1 October, 2008 Jan apparently tried to sign him when he was coaching in The Netherlands. What was the motivation. Apparently he hasn't set the world alight on loan spells. Maybe someone can shed some light on this shrewd (or crude) decision. After his performance last night (not just his goal) I cannot believe that Sheffield United let us have him for that waste of space Dire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 1 October, 2008 Share Posted 1 October, 2008 This swap appears to be a case of - lets get Dyer off the wage bill for 3 months & who have you got spare in return who is on low wages ? Pretty good inspired swap from what I saw last night. Robertson, one game one goal. Dyer loadsa games not many goals. As far as I'm concerned Dyer stay up north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALIST Posted 1 October, 2008 Share Posted 1 October, 2008 Pretty good inspired swap from what I saw last night. Robertson, one game one goal. Dyer loadsa games not many goals. As far as I'm concerned Dyer stay up north. Perhaps that is why Dyer won a tankful of petrol from Power FM to make sure he got there, there is justice after all in this world :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 1 October, 2008 Share Posted 1 October, 2008 No-one is slating him, we just don't need him. Averaging one goal a match so far? Not good enough for Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 1 October, 2008 Share Posted 1 October, 2008 He will score today Good shout. Now can you be really useful and send us the lottery numbers for Saturday thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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