doggface Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 Does anyone know what the latest is on the plush staplewood redevelopment? The last I heard was work was due to be completed this summer but as far as I am aware work has not started. There were rumours that there were disputes with contractors, even that it is not going to happen. Would be nice if the club updated us? Anyone got any idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 I think the truth lies is in your 3rd sentence;work had started but has now been delayed while new contractors are found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 (edited) Surely it doesn't take this long to find new contractors (if that indeed was the problem). Liebherr takeover - 8/7/09 Staplewood plans made public - 8/12/09 Planning permission granted - 13/1/10 It is now 7 months since planning permission, 8 months later from when the plans went public and 13 since the takeover - 8/8/10 Edited 8 August, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 Is this related to Nicola? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 it is hardly urgent though is it..? really..? the team that beat us yesterday train on a public park..something similar to the common.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 the team that beat us yesterday train on a public park..something similar to the common.... Marjons isn't a public park, it is a Sports University College. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 Marjons isn't a public park, it is a University College. hmmm..tell you what..I will wonder down there and see if I can walk around on it...bet I can..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 hmmm..tell you what..I will wonder down there and see if I can walk around on it...bet I can..? Well you said "similar to Southampton Common". As far as I'm aware Southampton Common isn't home to a Sports University College and the facilities it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 Well you said "similar to Southampton Common". As far as I'm aware Southampton Common isn't home to a Sports University College and the facilities it has. hmmmm..it is similar is size and that I can go on there...ok, I meant green park..or hoglands or the sporty or or or or or ffs, just making an example of a park in southampton... do you have to be so anal..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 You make it sound like they train on the Hoe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 they certainly dont train at anything remotely as good as staplewood.. so no wonder why the urgency to get it spruced up is not there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 hmmmm..it is similar is size and that I can go on there...ok, I meant green park..or hoglands or the sporty or or or or or ffs, just making an example of a park in southampton... do you have to be so anal..? Sorry, its just I know Plymouth well and to describe what they are using at Marjons as a park is just wrong. They are also using the sports department of the University. Of course I agree with you that it isn't as good as having your own training ground but certainly far more advanced than a park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 I think the truth lies is in your 3rd sentence;work had started but has now been delayed while new contractors are found. This is surely very unusual to lose a contractor so early in a project, especially with the fanfare (not to mention controversy) associated with it's launch. Also IIRC a big deal was made of having found the ideal contractor who shared the club's environmental vision and it even sounded a little like a green crusade. Now, eight months later nothing much seems to have happened and yet completion was promised by this July! Where is the transparency in this case as NC was quick to trumpet this project (admittedly the Echo were quicker), almost as a cornerstone of his administration but when it goes tits up we get no comment or official communication of any description and we are left to our own devices to speculate on media such as this board. Am also a bit surprised the Echo have not been following up on this, if only as a points scoring exercise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 I think the truth lies is in your 3rd sentence;work had started but has now been delayed while new contractors are found. This is what I have heard, but I wouldn't like to speculate as to why the old contractors walked away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 Would be an interesting question to hear the answer for at the Saints BBC Radio Solent fans forum in early September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 Sorry, its just I know Plymouth well and to describe what they are using at Marjons as a park is just wrong. They are also using the sports department of the University. Of course I agree with you that it isn't as good as having your own training ground but certainly far more advanced than a park. hmmm..well, you know better than me eh..i have only lived here for the last 11 years hey ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 hmmm..well, you know better than me eh..i have only lived here for the last 11 years hey ho I've lived in Plymouth for 13 years in total. Between 1990 and 2006. Not that years in Plymouth matter. I do know however that the club are using a lot of the Universities sports facilities/academic staff and that you don't get them at parks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 I've lived in Plymouth for 13 years in total. Between 1990 and 2006. Not that years in Plymouth matter. I do know however that the club are using a lot of the Universities sports facilities/academic staff and that you don't get them at parks. you do..and I have..and know plenty that have.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 This is surely very unusual to lose a contractor so early in a project, especially with the fanfare (not to mention controversy) associated with it's launch. Also IIRC a big deal was made of having found the ideal contractor who shared the club's environmental vision and it even sounded a little like a green crusade. Now, eight months later nothing much seems to have happened and yet completion was promised by this July! Where is the transparency in this case as NC was quick to trumpet this project (admittedly the Echo were quicker), almost as a cornerstone of his administration but when it goes tits up we get no comment or official communication of any description and we are left to our own devices to speculate on media such as this board. Am also a bit surprised the Echo have not been following up on this, if only as a points scoring exercise... what the fook has it got to do with you? what the fook has it got to do with any of us? stop looking for any old crap to moan about! DRAMA QUEEN!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbay Saint Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 On receiving the planning permission the agent acting on behalf of the club would have had to discharge pre commencement planning conditions - which can take a while (not 8 months though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 Pompey won the cup training on a school/college field. I understand also that Sainst won the cup running up and down Hill Lane, well those who didn;t cadge lifts. I've long thought that training facilities are merely variations on a theme; running, lifting things, pushing things, pulling things and kicking footballs. All of which can be done very cheaply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 This is surely very unusual to lose a contractor so early in a project, especially with the fanfare (not to mention controversy) associated with it's launch. Also IIRC a big deal was made of having found the ideal contractor who shared the club's environmental vision and it even sounded a little like a green crusade. Now, eight months later nothing much seems to have happened and yet completion was promised by this July! Where is the transparency in this case as NC was quick to trumpet this project (admittedly the Echo were quicker), almost as a cornerstone of his administration but when it goes tits up we get no comment or official communication of any description and we are left to our own devices to speculate on media such as this board. Am also a bit surprised the Echo have not been following up on this, if only as a points scoring exercise... I gather work did start and certain elements have been completed. There was then a hitch which I am loath to reveal on here because I would get shot and now fresh builders are being sought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 I have lived in Plymouth for 15 years now and I say that their training ground is not a park, nor is it a common. It is a state of the art University Sports Facility, where players train whilst getting a degree. Nicola would never stand for that sort of thing with our players. He doesn't want them bettering themselves. He wants to keeps them as daft footballers who he can easily manipulate. The man is pure evil. only the good lord knows what his plan is with staplewood. Something fishy is going on. Something very, very sinister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 I have lived in Plymouth for 15 years now and I say that their training ground is not a park, nor is it a common. It is a state of the art University Sports Facility, where players train whilst getting a degree. Nicola would never stand for that sort of thing with our players. He doesn't want them bettering themselves. He wants to keeps them as daft footballers who he can easily manipulate. The man is pure evil. only the good lord knows what his plan is with staplewood. Something fishy is going on. Something very, very sinister. :lol: Nicola Cortese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 Yeah thats what i've heard from a VERY good source too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 8 August, 2010 Share Posted 8 August, 2010 I have heard that Cortese..... ....is turning Staplewood into this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyhale Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 It was a example about it being like the common ffs, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 I gather work did start and certain elements have been completed. There was then a hitch which I am loath to reveal on here because I would get shot and now fresh builders are being sought. Come on Duncan do share, you'll only get shot by the pro NC brigade surely, or would it be the informant? I'll go for the autocratic Mr Cortese somehow got involved and the builders either left by choice or were pushed out of the door. Christ on a bike when will this rumour mill and not so subtle innuendo finish? For all of the people that don't like change, read "who moved my cheese". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 Come on Duncan do share, you'll only get shot by the pro NC brigade surely, or would it be the informant? I'll go for the autocratic Mr Cortese somehow got involved and the builders either left by choice or were pushed out of the door. Christ on a bike when will this rumour mill and not so subtle innuendo finish? For all of the people that don't like change, read "who moved my cheese". The builders had a disagreement with Cortese which resulted in them walking away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 what the fook has it got to do with you? what the fook has it got to do with any of us? Yep, this is fair comment. SFC is no longer publicy owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 The builders had a disagreement with Cortese which resulted in them walking away. Thanks for the clarification Hypo. Which begs the question, just how hard can this Italian be to work with ;-) Seriously, would be interesting to understand the type of disagreement. Contractual, money, timelines, quality of work..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 I have lived in Plymouth for 15 years now and I say that their training ground is not a park, nor is it a common. It is a state of the art University Sports Facility, where players train whilst getting a degree. Nicola would never stand for that sort of thing with our players. He doesn't want them bettering themselves. He wants to keeps them as daft footballers who he can easily manipulate. The man is pure evil. only the good lord knows what his plan is with staplewood. Something fishy is going on. Something very, very sinister. Deppo is my new favourite poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 Thanks for the clarification Hypo. Which begs the question, just how hard can this Italian be to work with ;-) Seriously, would be interesting to understand the type of disagreement. Contractual, money, timelines, quality of work..... By all accounts he is not an easy man to get along with. Ask Benali! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 was it anything to do with the contractors taking pictures of staplewood without Cortese knowing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 why are we redeveloping Staplewood anyway? I never really understood this. I always thought (anmd that includes whilst being in the Prem) that we had pretty top notch facilities already. Was that not the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 9 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2010 Things have moved on now chez, the grounds a nice but the buildings are very outdated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 (edited) why are we redeveloping Staplewood anyway? I never really understood this. I always thought (anmd that includes whilst being in the Prem) that we had pretty top notch facilities already. Was that not the case? It was the case 8 years or so ago. Now-a-days Staplewood is extremely dated and well behind a large number of Premier League and Championship training grounds. If Cortese/Liebherr really want to establish Saints as a top flight team again, then Staplewood has to be improved significantly. Edited 9 August, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 If Cortese/Liebherr really want to establish Saints as a top flight team again, then Staplewood has to be improved significantly. It would help then if NC could actually get along with someone so the job could be completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 If Cortese/Liebherr really want to establish Saints as a top flight team again, then Staplewood has to be improved significantly. What a load of nonsense, Pompey won the FA Cup training on a field in Eastleigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 What a load of nonsense, Pompey won the FA Cup training on a field in Eastleigh. You've got to wonder, given the kinds of grounds and pitches Saints will be visiting this season, whether roughing it a bit wouldnt actually do them some good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si the Saint Posted 9 August, 2010 Share Posted 9 August, 2010 I have lived in Plymouth for 15 years now and I say that their training ground is not a park, nor is it a common. It is a state of the art University Sports Facility, where players train whilst getting a degree. Nicola would never stand for that sort of thing with our players. He doesn't want them bettering themselves. He wants to keeps them as daft footballers who he can easily manipulate. The man is pure evil. only the good lord knows what his plan is with staplewood. Something fishy is going on. Something very, very sinister. They might use the gym at Marjons but they still train near home park at central park pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 August, 2010 Share Posted 10 August, 2010 They might use the gym at Marjons but they still train near home park at central park pitches. thank you....indeed they do, central park, which is behind Home park...it also has a pitch and putt..lol...great recreation for the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningtonCrescent Posted 10 August, 2010 Share Posted 10 August, 2010 You've got to wonder, given the kinds of grounds and pitches Saints will be visiting this season, whether roughing it a bit wouldnt actually do them some good. Rumour is that the re-developed Staplewood will include a pitch designed to be like a potato patch. Good ideas that we really could do with THIS season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2010 Share Posted 10 August, 2010 Things have moved on now chez, the grounds a nice but the buildings are very outdated. I honestly don't know what you mean by that. Can you expand on that please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 August, 2010 Share Posted 10 August, 2010 I gather work did start and certain elements have been completed. There was then a hitch which I am loath to reveal on here because I would get shot and now fresh builders are being sought. Quite clearly NC can't speak Polish... or Quite clearly the builders have all gone back home or NC refused to allow them space to park their Kilbassa/Pickled Herrings Van in the car park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 10 August, 2010 Share Posted 10 August, 2010 So on the balance of postings; Mr Cortese is evil personified and all that disagree with him are beyond reproach. How dare anyone be thankful that Mr Cortese saved our club. Or be thankful for one of our best seasons - yes, a great season in Level 3 as that is how far our club has dropped due to the previous incumbants, but an enjoyable season nonetheless. No, what the majority need is to be able to vent their frustration over trivial matters such as snappers and building work not completed on time - without really knowing the full story. Well enjoy yourselves internet warriors if that is how you get your kicks. I'll look forward to tonights game and Saturday's and the games beyond. I'm not a Cortese Luvvie, nor do I own rose tinted specs, I believe in freedom of speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrise Posted 10 August, 2010 Share Posted 10 August, 2010 I gather work did start and certain elements have been completed. There was then a hitch which I am loath to reveal on here because I would get shot and now fresh builders are being sought. Come on then, do share or do you only post rumours and/or info when it suits you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 10 August, 2010 Share Posted 10 August, 2010 (edited) I gather work did start and certain elements have been completed. There was then a hitch which I am loath to reveal on here because I would get shot and now fresh builders are being sought. Ah yes, full marks FF for the classic "I know whats going on, but I can't tell you" post. Ten out of ten. ;-) Edited 10 August, 2010 by Barry the Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 10 August, 2010 Share Posted 10 August, 2010 (edited) The builders had a disagreement with Cortese which resulted in them walking away. Thanks for the clarification Hypo. Which begs the question, just how hard can this Italian be to work with ;-) Seriously, would be interesting to understand the type of disagreement. Contractual, money, timelines, quality of work..... I read somewhere on here that is was due to the Contractors wanting some money up front and Cortese wanting to pay when they had completed! Edited 10 August, 2010 by Big Bad Bob added the word 'some' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2010 Share Posted 10 August, 2010 I read somewhere on here that is was due to the Contractors wanting some money up front and Cortese wanting to pay when they had completed! I believe it was more to do with installments and COrtese saying something like "my word is my bond." I'm not really sure of the details though so I can't say for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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