3 days on...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

...So, when I found out about all this on Monday, I went spare. Practically loopy. I was livid at what seemed to be a pre-meditated sacking being done at the most inopportune time.

 

Slowly however, rumours have surfaced that this may in fact have been an unavoidable sacking, and that Cortese had to make a tough decision at a tough time. I wonder how much credence these rumours should be given, and whether as alluded to in other threads, Cortese is continuing to act with integrity and respect towards his role at SFC.

 

With nearly 3 days to think about it, my opinion is changing back to what it was prior to this incident, which is largely in support of Cortese and his ability to carry out Markus' wishes. The thing that worries me most is who could potentially be brought in as Manager. The Hart rumours scared the living **** out of me. Phil Brown rumours worry me slightly as well. For me the best candidate would be Tony Mowbray, a man with an excellent club record, who plays the football we'd love to see and who has an excellent scouting network (you only have to see the players that he brought in at championship level from deepest Europe and South America to realise this). The Manager also needs to be brought in soon. I expect that potential replacements will be up at Rochdale this weekend, so those with binoculars, SLR's etc, please keep an eye out.

 

I'd also like to say a big thank you to Pardew, he gave me a great day out at Wembley, and last season was, all in all, a great laugh.

 

Anyway, has anyone else had a turnaround in opinions over the last few days, a bit of time to let the news sink in and re-evaluate the situation?

 

By the way, also seen that Danni ****tu has been released, hcdajfu.

[CWD]

You've pretty much summed up my entire feelings. Great post. Even as far as the Sh1ttu comment!

[wild-saint]

make sure you give your dummy a wash before you put it back in your mouth eh

[Whitey Grandad]

I'll feel happier and more confident once we get the right man installed. At the moment it's a balls-up, whatever the cause.

[saintwiz]

make sure you give your dummy a wash before you put it back in your mouth eh

 

Harsh, whats your view then babs?

[keithd]

make sure you give your dummy a wash before you put it back in your mouth eh

 

i see no evidence of a spat dummy, only a decent post putting his view across eloquently. ish.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

make sure you give your dummy a wash before you put it back in your mouth eh

 

Considering it's been in your ass I think I'll have to.

 

Thought I'd spoil the original post

[Deppo]

Can I have it first? Don't bother washing it.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Can I have it first? Don't bother washing it.

 

When it says location 'Arcadia', is that the boat or the company, or neither?

[doddisalegend]

Still think the whole thing is a bit of a cluster f u c k most of the rumours about what happened have holes big enough to drive a truck through them. I made no bones about being a big supporter of AP but it often felt like he was on hiding to nothing from the moment we failed to win our first ten league matches last season. As for NC none of the things he has done have upset me until this one. If I new the truth I'd probably be less ****ed but I get the feeling the whole truth will never come out. Right know my opinion of NC will probably be based on APs replacement, what I'd really like is to have a settled manager and team like Man U and Arsenel have had.

[Deppo]

When it says location 'Arcadia', is that the boat or the company, or neither?

 

The ZX Spectrum game.

[buctootim]

lol. The shops and ships are named after the idyllic life supposedly lead on Arcadia - an ideal world.

[Crispypie]

I have seen a post that describes in some detail what happened over the week or so at Staplewood, I have heard that this post has been ripped down from a few places as well. Some people claim its rubbish anway.

 

If its correct then it seems a review of opinions is in order, if its not correct then I wonder if somebody is playing the back door "please feel sorry for me" card. Who knows what to believe.

 

All I know is that we dont have a manager, it doesnt look like we are going to get one soon, and time is running out to be in with a chance of hitting the top of the table and staying there. Im still very worried what ever the reasons!

[aintforever]

What rumour is the true one then?

[alpine_saint]

Thanks for confirming the suspicions I voiced on the sacking thread, DPS. As more info becomes available and the heat has dissipated, everybody is viewing this much more reasonably.

 

I stuck throughout in my support of NC, simply because I think we dont exactly have much option or say in how we go forwards. We have to trust him to make the right decisions about the manager position. I was a bit p*ssed on Tuesday that it seemed there was no replacement lined up, but if this was a sudden action this is completely understandable. I thought at first it was performance related, in which case a repalcement could have been lined up, but now this seems not to be the case....

 

Of NCs ability to bring in the sort of replacement we need to carry The Plan forward, I am very confident. Though my faith in him will be shattered if this turns out not to be the case. I do not expect him to penny-pinch on the appointment.

[MongoNeil]

I very much agree with OP. Whatever the reasons for AP's sacking though (and I think we'll never know) I'm sure NC was acting in the best interests of the club. We do however, find ourselves in a bit of **** position now and the happy feeling going into the season has now gone.

[Cricketphilly]

When it says location 'Arcadia', is that the boat or the company, or neither?

 

These?

[miserableoldgit]

If the sacking had been planned then surely Cortese would have had someone ready to step straight in? The fact that he hasn`t does give some of the AP "gross misconduct" rumours some credence.

[Cricketphilly]

If the sacking had been planned then surely Cortese would have had someone ready to step straight in? The fact that he hasn`t does give some of the AP "gross misconduct" rumours some credence.

 

I reckon

[channonwindmill]

Thanks for confirming the suspicions I voiced on the sacking thread, DPS. As more info becomes available and the heat has dissipated, everybody is viewing this much more reasonably.

 

I stuck throughout in my support of NC, simply because I think we dont exactly have much option or say in how we go forwards. We have to trust him to make the right decisions about the manager position. I was a bit p*ssed on Tuesday that it seemed there was no replacement lined up, but if this was a sudden action this is completely understandable. I thought at first it was performance related, in which case a repalcement could have been lined up, but now this seems not to be the case....

 

Of NCs ability to bring in the sort of replacement we need to carry The Plan forward, I am very confident. Though my faith in him will be shattered if this turns out not to be the case. I do not expect him to penny-pinch on the appointment.

 

I find myself agreeing with this.

[West End Saint]

Still think the whole thing is a bit of a cluster f u c k most of the rumours about what happened have holes big enough to drive a truck through them. I made no bones about being a big supporter of AP but it often felt like he was on hiding to nothing from the moment we failed to win our first ten league matches last season. As for NC none of the things he has done have upset me until this one. If I new the truth I'd probably be less ****ed but I get the feeling the whole truth will never come out. Right know my opinion of NC will probably be based on APs replacement, what I'd really like is to have a settled manager and team like Man U and Arsenel have had.

 

This sums it up for me there have been things NC has done I didnt like but I didnt get mad until Pards got sacked I have let the other stuff slide I dont think we will learn the truth but I hope we do.

 

We need stability if we are going to achieve Marcus dream I hope the new manager will be the man to take us to the Prem not some s h 1 t e journeyman has been the media have us linked with. Other than MON or Mowbery I dont see anybody on the list as good as Pardew.

[Block 5]

When it says location 'Arcadia', is that the boat or the company, or neither?

 

Surely this refers to Poussin's painting?

[benjii]

If the sacking had been planned then surely Cortese would have had someone ready to step straight in?

 

Particularly if it was a fait acompli since the summer....?

[docker-p]

Have I missed a meeting? What new information has come to light about AP's sacking? Apart from some quess work by the Clotesse fan club?

[Bucks Saint]

I find myself agreeing with this.

 

+1 I recall being gobsmacked / very happy that NC and ML had signed up AP in the first place, given they had all of 10 minutes of experience in football at that stage. Despite not liking NC's style or a number of his minor decisions, I remain hopeful he will pull someone equally impressive out of this mess.

[Whitey Grandad]

Surely this refers to Poussin's painting?

 

'Et in Arcadia Nos' ?

[MarkSFC]

When I heard the news on Monday morning I was initially shocked but then as I thought about it I assumed one of two things;

 

either a) NC had someone lined up; or b) something had happened to neccessitate the sacking. Because it was three people my instinct was on a.

 

3 days on and I am inclined to think it must be reason b)!!

 

Why else would a very clued up CEO who despite some (percieved by a minority) ill-judged misdemeanours, make such a massive decision at the time he did?

 

I doubt we will never know the real reason but my belief now is that there must have been some major falling out / gross misconduct issue with NC and AP/SM/WD. Or maybe just AP and NC decided the others should follow straight away in order to prevent an sh8te-stirring in the camp. It also seems that Wilkins may have been the odd-one-out in the team, or maybe he was in actual fact the whistle-blower on something?!!

 

Regardless of the reason(s) for the change I do think that a swift appointment is paramount to promotion this season....leave it two or three games down the line and it is possible that morale will suffer (players - who are employees like most of us - need leadership, leadership and motivation who they respect and believe in) because they all know Wilkins is not really the manager. As professional as they are....he wont get the best out of them!! Think about when yu havent had a permanent manager or one that you respected, regardless of yur personal agenda did you work for him/her as much as normal?

 

3 days on, regardless of the reasons I still think Cortese needs to make a major signing.....someone that sends a message out that SFC means real business AND so does he.

 

As much as everyone feel it is unlikely, we need to get a manager who could "easily" manage in the Premier league. For two reasons really...1) for the reason stated above...and 2) to get us there and to stay there.

 

There is no point in getting a manager who may get us to the Prem in two to three years but isnt good enough once we are there. Brown,Hart,Southgate,Jewell,Blackwell,Shearer,Coleman,Howe,Adams,Curbishley, all for different reasons, do not fit that bill for me.

 

However unrealistic they may seem....O'Neill, Keegan, Sven (not a personal choice!!), Rykard, McClaren, do fit the bill for me.

 

Zola,O'Driscoll, and Lee Clarke maybeCOULD!!

[Joensuu]

Have I missed a meeting? What new information has come to light about AP's sacking? Apart from some quess work by the Clotesse fan club?

As there is so little information, why are people jumping to any assumptions either pro or anti Cortese? There is no new information, just that people have got over the initial shock, and are now posting with their heads rather than with their hearts.

[docker-p]

So people really think AP (formerly a hero to most on here including all in the Clotesse fan club), has committed an act that has warranted instant dismissal has he? It most be that because NC is so wise why else would he sack him in so inopportune time. Nothing to do with NC being clown then?

[docker-p]

As there is so little information, why are people jumping to any assumptions either pro or anti Cortese? There is no new information, just that people have got over the initial shock, and are now posting with their heads rather than with their hearts.

 

There is no information, but there is form.

[RonManager]

When it says location 'Arcadia', is that the boat or the company, or neither?

 

 

 

[derry]

...So, when I found out about all this on Monday, I went spare. Practically loopy. I was livid at what seemed to be a pre-meditated sacking being done at the most inopportune time.

 

Slowly however, rumours have surfaced that this may in fact have been an unavoidable sacking, and that Cortese had to make a tough decision at a tough time. I wonder how much credence these rumours should be given, and whether as alluded to in other threads, Cortese is continuing to act with integrity and respect towards his role at SFC.

 

With nearly 3 days to think about it, my opinion is changing back to what it was prior to this incident, which is largely in support of Cortese and his ability to carry out Markus' wishes. The thing that worries me most is who could potentially be brought in as Manager. The Hart rumours scared the living **** out of me. Phil Brown rumours worry me slightly as well. For me the best candidate would be Tony Mowbray, a man with an excellent club record, who plays the football we'd love to see and who has an excellent scouting network (you only have to see the players that he brought in at championship level from deepest Europe and South America to realise this). The Manager also needs to be brought in soon. I expect that potential replacements will be up at Rochdale this weekend, so those with binoculars, SLR's etc, please keep an eye out.

 

I'd also like to say a big thank you to Pardew, he gave me a great day out at Wembley, and last season was, all in all, a great laugh.

 

Anyway, has anyone else had a turnaround in opinions over the last few days, a bit of time to let the news sink in and re-evaluate the situation?

 

By the way, also seen that Danni ****tu has been released, hcdajfu.

 

It's nice to see the inevitable change of perspective as information leaks out. The only person that is vital to the future of SFC is Nicola Cortese and by definition the Leibherr family.

Alan Pardew or any manager is an irrelevance as far as the continued success of this club is concerned. Whilst the initial kneejerk emotions are understandable, a more hard headed assessment needs to be made. Just over a year ago we were headed for liquidation and saved at the eleventh hour by Markus Leibherr. Cortese was obviously astute and as a Swiss must have been very aware to even know about Saints, their predicament and their availability at a knockdown price. In addition being a close friend of a multi billionaire that would not only buy the club for £13m, but insist that his only condition for buying the club was that Cortese had to run it for him, marks him down as special.

 

We are now in the best position this club has ever been in financially, with multi billionaire backers. Before Lowe we were a hand to mouth private club, with a broken down ground, but run by real gentlemen, hence only two excellent managers in 25 years. The Lowe years in retrospect, whatever the playing side, were a nightmare waiting to happen. Now we have the chance of a lifetime to be really something in the fullness of time and I for one don't want to see that squandered, by the stupidity of people that can't see the wood from the trees.

 

The manager of the club has to be able to work with everybody, it is no good having an ego that gets in the way of co-operation and building the club from the bottom up. In this club the person building the club is Nicola Cortese not the manager. He sees an organisation from the bottom up with all working towards a common goal. Because of that, we don't need an old fashioned dinosaur, we need an intelligent Wenger like manager that sticks to the playing side and works as a member of a greater organisation for the overall benefit of the club.

 

I felt that Pardew was very limited and am not sorry to see him gone. Now a year down the track Cortese with his advisors are in a much better position to chose, what could be the right manager to take us on for years. I am convinced that if Cortese, knowing what he knows now, was presented with the problem he had last year, Alan Pardew wouldn't have got the job.

 

From my point of view, there are things that Cortese has done that could have been done better and differently, but he is also on a learning curve and whilst I didn't like what he did, I recognise that he is far and away the most important person in the club as things stand. The way this club is being built, precludes the one man band manager, it must be a team player who is a footballing manager prepared to build a proper football team backed by the vast support available. There will be no shortage of applicants but very few that will fill the bill. It may yet be that we will have to take a manager from another club who is attracted by the challenge and pay the necessary compensation but I hope that won't be needed. We don't need to throw this opportunity away making hysterical protests about something that is irrelevant.

Edited 2 September, 2010 by derry

[MarkSFC]

It's nice to see the inevitable change of perspective as information leaks out. The only person that is vital to the future of SFC is Nicola Cortese and by definition the Leibherr family.

Alan Pardew or any manager is an irrelevance as far as the continued success of this club is concerned. Whilst the initial kneejerk emotions are understandable a more hard headed assessment needs to be made. Just over a year ago we were headed for liquidation and saved at the eleventh hour by Markus Leibherr. Cortese was obviously astute and as a Swiss must have been very aware to even know about Saints, their predicament and their availability at a knockdown price. In addition being a close friend of a multi billionaire that would not only buy the club for £13m but insist that his only condition for buying the club was that Cortese had to run it for him marks him down as special.

 

We are now in the best position this club has ever been in financially with multi billionaire backers. Before Lowe we were a hand to mouth private club with a broken down ground but run by real gentlemen hence only two excellent managers in 25 years. The Lowe years in retrospect whatever the playing side were a nightmare waiting to happen. Now we have the chance of a lifetime to be really something in the fullness of time and I for one don't want to see that squandered by the stupidity of people that can't see the wood from the trees.

 

The manager of the club has to be able to work with everybody, it is no good having an ego that gets in the way of co-operation and building the club from the bottom up. In this club the person building the club is Nicola Cortese not the manager. He sees an organisation from the bottom up with all working towards a common goal. Because of that we don't need an old fashioned dinosaur, we need an intelligent Wenger like manager that sticks to the playing side and works as a member of a greater organisation for the overall benefit of the club.

 

I felt that Pardew was very limited and am not sorry to see him gone. Now a year down the track Cortese with his advisors are in a much better position to chose what could be the right manager to take us on for years. I am convinced that if Cortese knowing what he knows now, was presented with the problem he had last year, Alan Pardew wouldn't have got the job.

 

From my point of view there are things that Cortese has done that could have been done better and differently but he is also on a learning curve and whilst I didn't like what he did I recognise that he is far and away the most important person in the club as things stand. The way this club is being built precludes the one man band manager, it must be a team player who is a footballing manager prepared to build a proper football team backed by the vast support available. There will be no shortage of applicants but very few that will fill the bill. It may yet be that we will have to take a manager from another club who is attracted by the challenge and pay the necessary compensation but I hope that won't be needed.

 

Top post Dave...

[paulsfc]

My intial view was one of anger towards NC. Now the dust has settled I am still really cheesed off. Before this mess I thought NC had done 80% good, 20% bad now it's the other way round. It all hinges on who he appts as the new manager. It will show a real statement of intent as far as NC's intended strategy for the club. If he goes for someone like Phil Brown then for me it shows he is prepared to work with someone who knows their own mind and will mould the development of the club around them, go for an unproven manager and to me it would show that he just wants a piece to fit into his neat little football development centre jigsaw. If he gets it right, and whatever the initial reaction only time will tell, then he will have my support again. Hiring and firing a manager is the only really important decision a chief exec will make imo.

 

I don't believe the Pardew sacking was premeditated as we would have someone in post now so it must be something fairly sudden and the fact that 3 have gone and only wilkins remains would suggest that there was a 'them & us' situation developing which couldn't be sustained. I don't buy all this he was doing Fonte's missus stuff otherwise the other 2 must've been as well! There was obviously some friction between NC & AP as if there was a 'them & us' problem then I would expect the chairman to back the manager. He is more important than any coach or player

[dronskisaint]

 

These?

 

Arcadia Gaydemak?

[shurlock]

There is no information, but there is form.

 

He's done some controversial things but what previous form would lead you to think he would sack somebody 3 league games in and on the eve of the transfer window closing?

 

There's an inconsistency in some of the anti-cortese arguments. Critics say that he's ruthless, cold-blooded and puts the bottom line over the fans priorities but that implies he's also rational and calculating - no rational or calculating individual would a) sack somebody now rather than the preseason when they had a ahcance or b) if they did, not have a replacement lined up. Perhaps he's mindf**king everyone and does have somebody lined up but does not want to announce it immediately lest it gives the impression that all this was premeditated. But that's just convoluted.

 

As I say, none of this fits with form, and with what NC critics at least acknowledge to be his rational and calculating side...s

Edited 2 September, 2010 by shurlock

[monkadill]

3 days on and no news , we are the leaper club! Would you want to manage here.......

[Ian the Red]

Good posts, DPS, Alpine & Derry, all three probably summing up how most fans feel.

[RonManager]

Good posts, DPS, Alpine & Derry, all three probably summing up how most fans feel.

 

Nuts hell

[benjii]

It's nice to see the inevitable change of perspective as information leaks out. The only person that is vital to the future of SFC is Nicola Cortese and by definition the Leibherr family.

Alan Pardew or any manager is an irrelevance as far as the continued success of this club is concerned. Whilst the initial kneejerk emotions are understandable, a more hard headed assessment needs to be made. Just over a year ago we were headed for liquidation and saved at the eleventh hour by Markus Leibherr. Cortese was obviously astute and as a Swiss must have been very aware to even know about Saints, their predicament and their availability at a knockdown price. In addition being a close friend of a multi billionaire that would not only buy the club for £13m, but insist that his only condition for buying the club was that Cortese had to run it for him, marks him down as special.

 

We are now in the best position this club has ever been in financially, with multi billionaire backers. Before Lowe we were a hand to mouth private club, with a broken down ground, but run by real gentlemen, hence only two excellent managers in 25 years. The Lowe years in retrospect, whatever the playing side, were a nightmare waiting to happen. Now we have the chance of a lifetime to be really something in the fullness of time and I for one don't want to see that squandered, by the stupidity of people that can't see the wood from the trees.

 

The manager of the club has to be able to work with everybody, it is no good having an ego that gets in the way of co-operation and building the club from the bottom up. In this club the person building the club is Nicola Cortese not the manager. He sees an organisation from the bottom up with all working towards a common goal. Because of that, we don't need an old fashioned dinosaur, we need an intelligent Wenger like manager that sticks to the playing side and works as a member of a greater organisation for the overall benefit of the club.

 

I felt that Pardew was very limited and am not sorry to see him gone. Now a year down the track Cortese with his advisors are in a much better position to chose, what could be the right manager to take us on for years. I am convinced that if Cortese, knowing what he knows now, was presented with the problem he had last year, Alan Pardew wouldn't have got the job.

 

From my point of view, there are things that Cortese has done that could have been done better and differently, but he is also on a learning curve and whilst I didn't like what he did, I recognise that he is far and away the most important person in the club as things stand. The way this club is being built, precludes the one man band manager, it must be a team player who is a footballing manager prepared to build a proper football team backed by the vast support available. There will be no shortage of applicants but very few that will fill the bill. It may yet be that we will have to take a manager from another club who is attracted by the challenge and pay the necessary compensation but I hope that won't be needed. We don't need to throw this opportunity away making hysterical protests about something that is irrelevant.

 

Could not agree more - excellent post IMO.

[alpine_saint]

It's nice to see the inevitable change of perspective as information leaks out. The only person that is vital to the future of SFC is Nicola Cortese and by definition the Leibherr family.

Alan Pardew or any manager is an irrelevance as far as the continued success of this club is concerned. Whilst the initial kneejerk emotions are understandable, a more hard headed assessment needs to be made. Just over a year ago we were headed for liquidation and saved at the eleventh hour by Markus Leibherr. Cortese was obviously astute and as a Swiss must have been very aware to even know about Saints, their predicament and their availability at a knockdown price. In addition being a close friend of a multi billionaire that would not only buy the club for £13m, but insist that his only condition for buying the club was that Cortese had to run it for him, marks him down as special.

 

We are now in the best position this club has ever been in financially, with multi billionaire backers. Before Lowe we were a hand to mouth private club, with a broken down ground, but run by real gentlemen, hence only two excellent managers in 25 years. The Lowe years in retrospect, whatever the playing side, were a nightmare waiting to happen. Now we have the chance of a lifetime to be really something in the fullness of time and I for one don't want to see that squandered, by the stupidity of people that can't see the wood from the trees.

 

The manager of the club has to be able to work with everybody, it is no good having an ego that gets in the way of co-operation and building the club from the bottom up. In this club the person building the club is Nicola Cortese not the manager. He sees an organisation from the bottom up with all working towards a common goal. Because of that, we don't need an old fashioned dinosaur, we need an intelligent Wenger like manager that sticks to the playing side and works as a member of a greater organisation for the overall benefit of the club.

 

I felt that Pardew was very limited and am not sorry to see him gone. Now a year down the track Cortese with his advisors are in a much better position to chose, what could be the right manager to take us on for years. I am convinced that if Cortese, knowing what he knows now, was presented with the problem he had last year, Alan Pardew wouldn't have got the job.

 

From my point of view, there are things that Cortese has done that could have been done better and differently, but he is also on a learning curve and whilst I didn't like what he did, I recognise that he is far and away the most important person in the club as things stand. The way this club is being built, precludes the one man band manager, it must be a team player who is a footballing manager prepared to build a proper football team backed by the vast support available. There will be no shortage of applicants but very few that will fill the bill. It may yet be that we will have to take a manager from another club who is attracted by the challenge and pay the necessary compensation but I hope that won't be needed. We don't need to throw this opportunity away making hysterical protests about something that is irrelevant.

 

Yep. This is where we are.

[alpine_saint]

3 days on and no news , we are the leaper club! Would you want to manage here.......

 

Phill Brown does for one...

[channonball]

Does anyone not think it is strange Pardew is keeping so quiet?

[buctootim]

Does anyone not think it is strange Pardew is keeping so quiet?

 

No. I cant think of any circumstances where it would be wise for him to say anything publicly.

[derry]

Does anyone not think it is strange Pardew is keeping so quiet?

 

No, Compensation v NDA.

[SnailOB]

Does anyone not think it is strange Pardew is keeping so quiet?

 

Martin Samuel of the Daily Mail claims to have seen a text message from NC to AP so he must be talking to someone.

[monkadill]

No. I cant think of any circumstances where it would be wise for him to say anything publicly.

 

paid off to keep stum!

[Ian the Red]

Does anyone not think it is strange Pardew is keeping so quiet?

 

 

If rumours are correct not in AP interests

[doddisalegend]

He's done some controversial things but what previous form would lead you to think he would sack somebody 3 league games in and on the eve of the transfer window closing?

 

There's an inconsistency in some of the anti-cortese arguments. Critics say that he's ruthless, cold-blooded and puts the bottom line over the fans priorities but that implies he's also rational and calculating - no rational or calculating individual would a) sack somebody now rather than the preseason when they had a ahcance or b) if they did, not have a replacement lined up. Perhaps he's mindf**king everyone and does have somebody lined up but does not want to announce it immediately lest it gives the impression that all this was premeditated. But that's just convoluted.

 

As I say, none of this fits with form, and with what NC critics at least acknowledge to be his rational and calculating side...s

 

Lots of clubs sack managers without having replacements lined up it happens all the time, why do people think saints would be any different? caretaker managers are frenquently used by lots of clubs.

[doddisalegend]

Martin Samuel of the Daily Mail claims to have seen a text message from NC to AP so he must be talking to someone.

 

yes apparently he knows about/ has seen text messages sent to AP by NC after the Rovers games bollocking him for not playing our new wonder signing from serie A..................