Redondo Saint Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Christ, even Sky are reporting on this story. I didn't care too much about this change in SFC policy at the time, but now it's making us a bit of a joke - which I do care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 And its featured in the Sun again today. Giving us yet more publicity from their "blackout of a once proud club". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Publicity in The Sun before this move - Zero. Publicity in The Sun after this move - A hell of a lot more. Keep it coming lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Lets be honest, good or bad, The Sun has probably afforded us many more inches because of this ban than they ever would have without it. Personally I tend to liken this 'spat' to 2 children fighting over one toy and really couldn't give a toss either way to be frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Publicity in The Sun before this move - Zero. Publicity in The Sun after this move - A hell of a lot more. Keep it coming lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Re "Coverage before ban = zero is completely, 100% incorrect! Had enough of this "lol, Sun are read by thickos and never even reported on us b4, this is genius by Cortese, we'll show 'em!" and decided to look up some facts surrounding this, I've looked at the equivilant week from last year (14th Sept) on http://www.nla-clipshare.com and, shock horror - Saints are featured with a large picture splash and full (very glowing actually) match report complete with large picture (showing flybe clearly on our shirts - hmm, might finally put to bed theory that next season's sponsors won't be bothered) at Charlton away? Going through the next few weeks I find: 21st Sept - "Terry in a rage" Yeovil manager blames officials of being intimidated of our fans as we beat them 2-0. Pic of their manager at sms 28th Sept - no copy available 5th Oct - Full page report with massive pic of Lambert (with flybe logo centre stage) pumping his fist as we beat Gillingham 4-1. Another pic inset of Lambert hitting a screamer 12th Oct - no copy available 19th Oct - Pards gift Just Brill headline, Saints beat Oldham 3-1 with picture of Oldham defender Brill having a mare! 26th Oct - (this is getting easy now) Conngratulations headline as Connelly scores in 3-1 beating of MK Dons, massive full page report with pic of Connelly high fiving Pards (flybe logo in centre of pic again), another pic of Hammond scoring (logo again) and a third pic of fans holding banner saying "we've got more points than Pompey" 3rd November - (stopping after this as it's beginning to take the p*ss) 3 quarters of a page devoted to report of Saints v L Orient (2-2 draw) headline "Lamb and Lions" - "Ricky sparks Saints rally", pic of Ricky scoring with his left peg (flybe logo centre of page again...). It actually seems The Sun have been massive supporters of Saints (and therefore our sponsors) as they carried big pics every monday in large match reports, speaking in glowing terms of our fans, players, club and manager! Hopefully this will put this to bed - what excuse next those who still (and there will be some, even when confronted with blinding evidence such as this) support Cortese's decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 It's great exposure for Saints actually. Plus it makes it look like we are standing up to "bullying media". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Re "Coverage before ban = zero is completely, 100% incorrect! Had enough of this "lol, Sun are read by thickos and never even reported on us b4, this is genius by Cortese, we'll show 'em!" and decided to look up some facts surrounding this, I've looked at the equivilant week from last year (14th Sept) on www.nla-clipshare.com and, shock horror - Saints are featured with a large picture splash and full (very glowing actually) match report complete with large picture (showing flybe clearly on our shirts - hmm, might finally put to bed theory that next season's sponsors won't be bothered) at Charlton away? Going through the next few weeks I find: 21st Sept - "Terry in a rage" Yeovil manager blames officials of being intimidated of our fans as we beat them 2-0. Pic of their manager at sms 28th Sept - no copy available 5th Oct - Full page report with massive pic of Lambert (with flybe logo centre stage) pumping his fist as we beat Gillingham 4-1. Another pic inset of Lambert hitting a screamer 12th Oct - no copy available 19th Oct - Pards gift Just Brill headline, Saints beat Oldham 3-1 with picture of Oldham defender Brill having a mare! 26th Oct - (this is getting easy now) Conngratulations headline as Connelly scores in 3-1 beating of MK Dons, massive full page report with pic of Connelly high fiving Pards (flybe logo in centre of pic again), another pic of Hammond scoring (logo again) and a third pic of fans holding banner saying "we've got more points than Pompey" 3rd November - (stopping after this as it's beginning to take the p*ss) 3 quarters of a page devoted to report of Saints v L Orient (2-2 draw) headline "Lamb and Lions" - "Ricky sparks Saints rally", pic of Ricky scoring with his left peg (flybe logo centre of page again...). It actually seems The Sun have been massive supporters of Saints (and therefore our sponsors) as they carried big pics every monday in large match reports, speaking in glowing terms of our fans, players, club and manager! Hopefully this will put this to bed - what excuse next those who still (and there will be some, even when confronted with blinding evidence such as this) support Cortese's decision? Did any of those reports have a direct link from The Sun's homepage like they are doing at the moment? I'm not sure people are saying that The Sun never reported on routine events at SMS. Rather that they are getting a higher level of prominence at the moment, coupled with the 'spin off' media coverage of the "furore". Yes, most of it is negative exposure but what's that old adage about bad publicity....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 It's great exposure for Saints actually. Plus it makes it look like we are standing up to "bullying media". Feel free to check out my post above re Sun newspaper exposure - facts using actual research rather than guessing about a paper that 8m other people - not you, read every day, pre the ban. Oh, and I've just checked the following 3 weeks, admittedly our FA Cup 1st round game was lost with no pics, just a few paragraphs but the following loses to Brighton and Norwich had full page splashes. I make that 4 full page splashes in 6 weeks - how the hell can any sane person say going from that to "clotese" small 2/ 3 column reports with no pics of our players or mention of their names be a good thing? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Does this take into consideration local variations ? Pretty sure the JPT Winners splash cover wraparound we had wouldn't have been seen anywhere else in Hampshire, never mind the rest of the UK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Feel free to check out my post above re Sun newspaper exposure - facts using actual research rather than guessing about a paper that 8m other people - not you, read every day, pre the ban. Oh, and I've just checked the following 3 weeks, admittedly our FA Cup 1st round game was lost with no pics, just a few paragraphs but the following loses to Brighton and Norwich had full page splashes. I make that 4 full page splashes in 6 weeks - how the hell can any sane person say going from that to "clotese" small 2/ 3 column reports with no pics of our players or mention of their names be a good thing? Seriously? Who gives a s**t - bet there are millions of other people who are quite happy that the Sun and Sky have unleashed the dogs of war and we're staring them down. Hate-peddling apart, the f**kers have an inflated sense of their own importance and dislike nothing more than being mugged off and ignored. Me, im lovin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Oh noes! Even highly credible Sky "Paul Hart" Sports News? Oh double noes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickfinks Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 no such thing as bad media imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 no such thing as bad media imo thats the most laughable comment I ever heard, unless you meant "publicity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Tbh who gives a flying **** wether or not we are in the papers or not,I couldn't give a rats arse.......if you wanna know about the football then goto the games or at worse listen on the radio,reading a report written by somebody else who doesn't give a **** about us seems pointless,it is only ever going to be the personal opinion of the person writing it. I'm sorry if this upsets the people who live far away or in another country and rely on the papers for their saints fix......too bad,read the report on the os Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Who gives a s**t - bet there are millions of other people who are quite happy that the Sun and Sky have unleashed the dogs of war and we're staring them down. Hate-peddling apart, the f**kers have an inflated sense of their own importance and dislike nothing more than being mugged off and ignored. Me, im lovin it. It's actually quite strange in that a lot of the people that I work with come from all over the United Kingdom and I quite regualary 'talk football' with them. Yet not one has actually mentioned this action by The Sun - it would appear that not that many people actually care...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 It's actually quite strange in that a lot of the people that I work with come from all over the United Kingdom and I quite regualary 'talk football' with them. Yet not one has actually mentioned this action by The Sun - it would appear that not that many people actually care...! On the other hand, a lot of people that I work with have no interest in football (but know I follow Saints), yet a fair number have mentioned the Sun v Saints vendetta and are all behind the club on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickfinks Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 thats the most laughable comment I ever heard, unless you meant "publicity" No i meant what I said, the sun v saints is not publicity, it is about media coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 On 5Live now as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 It's actually quite strange in that a lot of the people that I work with come from all over the United Kingdom and I quite regualary 'talk football' with them. Yet not one has actually mentioned this action by The Sun - it would appear that not that many people actually care...! Not necessarily talking about this incident - talkin about peoples attitudes to the Sun in general. Alot of people are f**ked off by its efforts to strongarm and harass anyone -whether a politician, celebrity, organisation whoever- that disagrees with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 I'm not too concerned at the moment if I am honest. Anything that gets Murdoch and co annoyed stands alright with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 I'm not too concerned at the moment if I am honest. Anything that gets Murdoch and co annoyed stands alright with me. It's not annoying The Sun or Murdoch - quite the opposite, the press are loving this situation. In Cortese they have a bumptious little man that they know they will be rattling and a bit like a fox hunt the fun is in the chase. In the end Cortese will either back down, or will be sacked/leave of his own accord, and the decision will be reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 So in the hope of maybe making a few hundred quid a game by flogging photos (unlikely) we will: Lose money through lack of sponsorship - having no pictures in any paper will devalue next season's shirt sponsorship and pitch side advertising. Lose publicity - once the lego/cartoon stories die down we will just not be featured as much. Publicity helps promote the club and get fans into SMS. Have the press more likely to stick the knife in, print stories unsettling players etc By ****ing off Murdoch risk having no games shown live on Sky (was about £200K-300K per game when we were in Prem). I was told by someone at the club that last season's JPT semis and Skate FA Cup game netted us £1mill in total, partly because they were televised. Look like a bunch of tossers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 We've spunked away a reasonable Premiership team, FA Cup Finalists, 32,000 capicity top flight stadium advantages in 5 years for League One football and now we've managed one home win in five home games - oh and we haven't scored a goal past Swindon Town in three games in succession let alone beat them. I think that does in fact make us..... TOSSERS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrise Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Banning press photographers was a stupid decision IMO and is something I'd expect to happen in a place such as North Korea or Zimbabwe, not somewhere like a football ground in this country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 On the other hand, a lot of people that I work with have no interest in football (but know I follow Saints), yet a fair number have mentioned the Sun v Saints vendetta and are all behind the club on this. How can anyone be 'behind us'? Why would people with no interest be in that position? Even those interested in football couldn't be behind us. We are a laughing stock, a joke. This is not a business decision, if it was then why is Don Corleone not coming out and telling us how successful this venture is proving to be? Trouble is, he is a stubborn little man who is clearly not for turning even if he sits there knowing he is wrong. You can have a go at The Sun etc, take the **** out of their 8m readers (more than any other paper) and make out you are supporting the club, but none of these fans have put a case forward for Cortese, just slagging off The Sun and saying how great we are. Don't think i have seen one post whereby someone has said the reason he/she is supporting Cortese, except "Cause its the Sun", "its our club", "**** em", and then take the **** out of Sun readers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 (edited) How can anyone be 'behind us'? Why would people with no interest be in that position? Even those interested in football couldn't be behind us. We are a laughing stock, a joke. This is not a business decision, if it was then why is Don Corleone not coming out and telling us how successful this venture is proving to be? Trouble is, he is a stubborn little man who is clearly not for turning even if he sits there knowing he is wrong. You can have a go at The Sun etc, take the **** out of their 8m readers (more than any other paper) and make out you are supporting the club, but none of these fans have put a case forward for Cortese, just slagging off The Sun and saying how great we are. Don't think i have seen one post whereby someone has said the reason he/she is supporting Cortese, except "Cause its the Sun", "its our club", "**** em", and then take the **** out of Sun readers! Nobody is defending cortese because the decision is probably not the right one but the decision has been made and we have to make the best of it. When people on here realise and accept that anything that happens at our club is out of our control the better.....the club is the plaything of a rich private family and they are the decision makers,we are just an annoying sideline to the club....no point stressing over things you cannot control. The sun or any national paper has never given us the respect we deserved even when we were flying in the top flight for 27 years,they are only interested in blowing sunshine up the big boys arses and kicking a club when it's down.....nobody outside of Southampton is remotely interested in our club and never have been so a few silly little jokey write ups don't really bother me or most level headed people. When we are good nobody notices when we are bad nobody forgets. Edited 3 September, 2010 by lordswoodsaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Yes, most of it is negative exposure but what's that old adage about bad publicity....? ...that's its not as good as a full page report plus pictures of our next thumping home victory in Britains biggest daily paper? ....that pointless bad publicity about a childish ban is not as good as good publicity about us storming up the league? ....that it's not as good as allowing the local paper to print pictures for their readers, thousands of saints fans, to see? No clearly, being in the papers for an arcane argument about photographic rights is far better publicity for our football club to have. Far better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 The ban is a little ambitious. A spat with the Sun is unwise. The Sun confirming us as the only club on the south coast is most welcome. The cartoons were funny. The subbuteo is nearly funny. The Sun banging on about it is becoming boring, but then again they are aiming at a very low IQ audience. All publicity is good publicity.....as Gary Glitter, John Leslie and Michael Barrymore used to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 The ban is a little ambitious. A spat with the Sun is unwise. The Sun confirming us as the only club on the south coast is most welcome. The cartoons were funny. The subbuteo is nearly funny. The Sun banging on about it is becoming boring, but then again they are aiming at a very low IQ audience. All publicity is good publicity.....as Gary Glitter, John Leslie and Michael Barrymore used to say. No they are not. The Sun has more ABC1 readers than any other newspaper except for the Mail. Fact. ABC1 readers: The Sun = 2.8m The Times = 1.5m The Telegraph = 1.5m The Mirror = 1.2m Independent = 400k Guardian = 1m Mail = 3m Source = NRS Oct 09 - March 10 Seems obvious to me that the newspaper snobs that don't read The Sun seem to, inacurately, think that A- no-one with intellegence reads it, and B- it didn't report on Saints games before when (as above) I've proved that 4 weeks out of 6 they would dedicate a near full page with large picture to us every week speaking in very positive terms - now its approx 40 words of mockery not mentioning our players by name or with any pictures (even the "no suck thing as bad publicity" sayers must accept that (good or bad) we are getting 75% less coverage than we were a year ago in The Sun, most other newspapers aren't mentioning us at all. Someone asked if that was for a Southern edition, the Sun has 5 regional splits I believe for the main body of the paper, however a pullout like Super Goals is full national only. The Lambert wraparound was SO postcodes only - printed at a large loss actually! Just accept that, as a business decision, it's a really, really bad one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 I know my ABC and my 123. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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