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smithy

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Have to agree that this forum seems to have lost it's zip. I've been using it for quite a few years now and the previous incarnations of it and it's never been this bad. I would guess that it's down to the way the club is run now and the teams performances.

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RobM

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It's uninteresting at the moment as not much is going on. When something does go on, it turns into a playground and people are more interested in personal vendettas and name calling. Moderators allow it and rarely actually moderate, which sets the tone for the entire forum.

 

Nobody wants to talk football any more, there aren't any rumours coming out of SMS now we have a professional outfit running the club so all we can do is create threads like this or call each other *****s.

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Tractor_Saint

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Moderators allow it and rarely actually moderate, which sets the tone for the entire forum.

 

Agree - moderators and admin need to step up to the mark and start sorting out some of the PITAs on this forum. I've kinda moved onto twitter now as I'm fed up with a small handful of this forum who seem to be hell bent on posting useless sh1te and the admins / moderators allowing them to do it.

 

But I spose it's up to the mods what they want to allow and want to disallow.

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Dr Who?

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I think it could be that you get slagged off for starting to many threads, and get told they are 'so original', by admin. Not really making feel like contributing to the site that much. Ok in here keep it Saints related that is fine, but in the lounge surely if you think something is interesting and you post it, and it is not offensive or rude then it is down to the users of the bored if they want to reply and find it interesting or original?? If they do responde then it stays high up on the board, if they do not like it, then it just drifts away like Saints Championship hopes!

 

With this forum, I just think that the results on the pitch keep people away from here just like they do SMS. I find it interesting sometimes and will reply, but half the time in this forum the same things come up again and again, and it is stale.

 

When things pick up I think this board will again as well.

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Essruu

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Why does there have to be drama at the club before we can have a discussion on a football forum? What's wrong with just talking about football?

 

Oh FFS you *%#€, why are you always so f***ing negative, you Lowe/ Cortese/ SuperSaint Lover. Etc. Ad Infinitum.

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SFC Forever

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..Forum out there as the "Saintsweb" has dried up and is so idle and uninteresting at the moment?

Maybe this is a reflection on the club and the water tight environment the new owners have created.

 

 

 

May seem obvious as you have done it with this thread(though off topic) but if you want to talk football just start a thread about Saints and football.

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Saint Fan CaM

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Got to agree - seems to be primarily populated by a few poster that know each other well or those intent on abuse and such like. Yes, the less ITK and actual exciting news coming out of the club, the less interesting the place is. I would like to know how many posters have others on ignore now - what's the point of posting if you're being ignored, so may as well not pay the money (but then the owner of the site - whoever that is - wouldn't want that I suspect).

 

I visit here most days to check if there's any news, but of course nowadays as there is none I wonder what the point is... and I can't be bothered to post sometimes too. What I do find remarkable is the number of people who just watch but hardly ever post.

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Alain Perrin

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Personally I think the death knell of this forum was sounded when it started charging. That in turn stopped occasional posters starting threads and just left the diehards (often with their agendas). It's a vicious circle that reduces the throughput of the forum.

 

Just my opinion. But forums are all about critical mass.

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gonzo

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Personally I think the death knell of this forum was sounded when it started charging. That in turn stopped occasional posters starting threads and just left the diehards (often with their agendas). It's a vicious circle that reduces the throughput of the forum.

 

Just my opinion. But forums are all about critical mass.

 

It's by charging the the admins can afford to run the site on their own server.

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Essruu

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Personally I think the death knell of this forum was sounded when it started charging. That in turn stopped occasional posters starting threads and just left the diehards (often with their agendas). It's a vicious circle that reduces the throughput of the forum.

 

Agreed. Registered Users not being able to start threads is THE biggest single problem. Fine, if the Admin Nazis want to hold Registered Users to a £5 ransom if they want to post more than three times per day (although there are ways around this ;) ) but only having threads started by paying members has proved disastrous.

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Agreed. Registered Users not being able to start threads is THE biggest single problem. Fine, if the Admin Nazis want to hold Registered Users to a £5 ransom if they want to post more than three times per day (although there are ways around this ;) ) but only having threads started by paying members has proved disastrous.

 

if they were allowed to create threads outside the saints forum then that would build community, but then that would only be ruined by the lack of moderation allowing paid up users to rip into eachother.

 

http://www.footballforums.net/forums/ is the best upcoming football forum site on the web imo, it's not club specific and you've got to be very well behaved but it's loads better than here.

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Just to add my two pence worth of salt to the wounds.....

 

The latest "Latest News" article on the Saintsweb homepage is: "Pardew Sacked".

 

I know it's been quiet of late but I'd have thought the arrival of Mr Adkins would have warranted a few words in passing....?

 

:-)

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hughieslastminutegoal

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Why does there have to be drama at the club before we can have a discussion on a football forum? What's wrong with just talking about football?

 

If people are so keen to have genuine football threads, why don't they start one? Is it the £5 fee you have to pay to be a "thread starter" such a disincentive?

The trouble on here is that if you say "we need a goal scoring centre midfielder" (prettymuch football related) you get called tiresome by someone who thinks the garden is rosy, or called negative because it is taken to be criticism of the manager, or the chairman, or "The Family".

I think its true to say people talk football on match days or in the pub. On web forums they tend to talk more of "the politics" in general of their clubs. On here though, the level of discussion is just plain poor. Go to Barcelona, people in the parks read proper newspapers and discuss stuff. Go to a Southampton park, people have bought The Sun and are holding it upside down because they don't even understand what "red top" means.

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norwaysaint

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As far as I can work out,

 

this forum is becoming rubbish because there is no humour allowed in it anymore and it's just full of dull threads with people saying the same things again and again about the team and management.'

 

and

 

this forum is becoming rubbish because there are too many people posting silly humourous comments when all we want are simple topics with only football related comments on them.

 

Actually both of these things were true when I first posted on the (other) forum about ten years ago. There have always been people saying that the forum is going downhill and that it's not as good as it used to be, even in the days that people are being nostalgiac about when they complain.

 

Saints being disappointing and the forum not being as good as it was are pretty much the main constants we've been able to rely on in the last ten years.

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I think it could be that you get slagged off for starting to many threads, and get told they are 'so original', by admin. Not really making feel like contributing to the site that much. Ok in here keep it Saints related that is fine, but in the lounge surely if you think something is interesting and you post it, and it is not offensive or rude then it is down to the users of the bored if they want to reply and find it interesting or original.

 

freudian slip?

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(not THE) Kevin Moore

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Agreed. Registered Users not being able to start threads is THE biggest single problem. Fine, if the Admin Nazis want to hold Registered Users to a £5 ransom if they want to post more than three times per day (although there are ways around this ;) ) but only having threads started by paying members has proved disastrous.

 

What he, an Alain Perrin, said. I've been on here for ages and in previous guises it was almost addictive, I'd spend much of my working day on here (in part because the jobs I had at the time were boring).

 

It seems to me that the people most inclined to stump up a fee are the people most inclined to kill a debate dead by acting like ***ts. In the (good) old days modding was kept to a minimum and pretty much anything went which made for a more relaxed, and funny, atmosphere.... nowadays you get infractions for upsetting Alpine...

 

These days I come on here when I'm working from home and rarely find my 'three posts' to be limiting.....

 

Talking of which, I now only have 1 left.... must use it wisely....

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dronskisaint

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This is still the most active & the most varied of all those I dip in to.

 

I discovered this & a few others when we were in crisis last year & this one has consistently been the highest quality & has had me laughing out loud on occasions, has inspired me to abusive disbelief at some of the negativity, given me information on all things from away ground information to which phone to choose.

 

In summary - a forum. It does what it says on the tin.

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Alain Perrin

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I disagree. There are plenty of opportunities to fund the forum that don't involve a standing charge. I know it is only £5 but it is a barrier to entry.

 

I don't know how many paying users and I don't know how much the dedicated server is costing. However, there are but there are plenty of hosting options that could deliver a board of this size on ad funding / adhoc contributions and, especially now, cloud based solutions that would scale with demand.

 

It doesn't matter how dedicated your server is if you've got no visitors.

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Charlie Wayman

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..Forum out there as the "Saintsweb" has dried up and is so idle and uninteresting at the moment?

Maybe this is a reflection on the club and the water tight environment the new owners have created.

 

It's called being disenfranchised or in plain English marginalised...

 

The Club have made it obvious that the views of only one person matter to them, hence no interaction with fans hence nothing worth the candle to talk about hence an uninteresting website.

 

Don't expect things to get any better soon. For sure we'll all be on here to moan on Monday and Wednesday after the next two defeats but then 'puff' it'll be back to zilch again... and the band played on and on?

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Charlie Wayman

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It's uninteresting at the moment as not much is going on. When something does go on, it turns into a playground and people are more interested in personal vendettas and name calling. Moderators allow it and rarely actually moderate, which sets the tone for the entire forum.

 

Nobody wants to talk football any more, there aren't any rumours coming out of SMS now we have a professional outfit running the club so all we can do is create threads like this or call each other *****s.

 

These are the salient reasons, put succinctly. Well observed and well said!

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Agreed. Registered Users not being able to start threads is THE biggest single problem. Fine, if the Admin Nazis want to hold Registered Users to a £5 ransom if they want to post more than three times per day (although there are ways around this ;) ) but only having threads started by paying members has proved disastrous.

 

Just get your fiver out you tight c*nt.

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It's because if you make a spelling mistake they all assume it's half term! People on this forum Like to put people down! It's become a bully forum! People more intrested on picking up peoples mistakes.

 

Think you missed an 'e'. ;)

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Stuntman Mike

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Latest news being old - I would get humourous (are there any on this site?) contributors to write stories and articles, much like a proper paper-based Fanzine would. I thought they were doing that, but as I haven't seen any, maybe not?

 

Non-£5 paying users can't start threads, limits the amount that can be started, so limiting potential topics. Also, threads that are started (as stated above) are often closed for being a "repetition"? Personally, I don't want to and haven't got time to trawl through a 4 page thread, let along a 34 page thread. I'd rather short, snappy threads with opinions instead.

 

Too many people on this site have weird agendas and are obsessed with the club's management/ownership etc rather than just discuss football. Then you get the super-weird obsessed ones who just post (as Essruu says) Lowe-Lover and other such crap in response to opinions.

 

The "fun" forums are populated now by bores who don't offer intelligent wit and humour.

 

There are also too many other outlets to catch up on Saints news. Facebook, Twitter, The Echo, the official website, other forums, the BBC etc etc etc.

 

Personally, I just don't have time to look and I can't look at work as people put up stupid pictures of semi naked women in the football threads and some even have dodgy avatars (the tube driver guy being one) so I can't really look in my lunchbreak as I get some dodgy pictures come up.

 

I would advocate a relaxing of posting rules first and foremost though.

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Essruu

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If people are so keen to have genuine football threads, why don't they start one? Is it the £5 fee you have to pay to be a "thread starter" such a disincentive?

 

Personally, it'd take something fairly special and spectacular to make me want to pay to use a web forum; Especially when it is not the norm and virtually all other forums do not need to charge. At the moment, and for as far into the future as I can see, this forum is not it. Soon after this ruling commenced for non-payers, I was quite happy to be restricted to three posts in 24hrs, because the quality of the board had diminished so much. There are a lot of stubborn and non-paying users from 'back in the day' who helped make the various incarnations of the S4E / TSW forums what they are (were?) These Registered Users are now not able to start threads, so a whole swathe of interesting subjects are lost; What we're left with amongst some decent paying Members are some that, to be blunt, are plain boring, repetitive and recyclers of rubbish topics. This, in turn, turns more people off of the forum.

 

I don't see any reason why restrictions cannot be lifted so that everyone can start threads, paying members or not, but leaving the three post rule in if the owners still think it is needed. This would bring more decent Registered Users out of the woodwork and if they start threads, they may even get caught up in the debate and decide to bite the bullet and join up. I just see the inability for Registered Users to start topics as suicide from a TSW business point of view.

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Is it time to acknowledge that the internet with all its freedoms has limitations and should we not just go back to meeting in pubs to talk football?

 

The thought of talking football in pubs in the evening and weekends rather than 24 hours a day in front of a screen with people you don't know but think you do is a little wacky I know but perhaps it may just work.

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Is it time to acknowledge that the internet with all its freedoms has limitations and should we not just go back to meeting in pubs to talk football?

 

The thought of talking football in pubs in the evening and weekends rather than 24 hours a day in front of a screen with people you don't know but think you do is a little wacky I know but perhaps it may just work.

 

I would love to say that where I live (1.5 hours from beautiful downtown Southampton) the pubs are full of Saints fans, who would like nothing more than to chat through the issues of the day with me over a few pints. Sadly I have more chance of winning the lottery than finding a single other Saints fan in my local

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