Thedelldays Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 was evey time the camera panned to the saints bench the personnel all looked vacant and emotionless...from the coach to the subs.. coleman on the other hand (not saying it is right or wrong) was full of energy etc very worrying times IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Shellshocked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redorwhitelion Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Ian Holloway jumps up and down like a ****, but I wouldn't want him at St Mary's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Ian Holloway jumps up and down like a ****, but I wouldn't want him at St Mary's. i think you have completely missed the point here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Maybe they are not "overly concerned as it says on JP match reaction on OS As you say very worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 I know what your saying. At the Ipswich game at SMS the other week, I was sat behind the dugout. JP was very static with his hands in his pockets, not saying or doing much, where as Jim Magilton was screaming instructions. It might be that JP is watching and taking mental notes, and in the changing rooms shouts and screams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puff the magic dragon Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 You soon changed your tune Delldays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2008 I know what your saying. At the Ipswich game at SMS the other week, I was sat behind the dugout. JP was very static with his hands in his pockets, not saying or doing much, where as Jim Magilton was screaming instructions. It might be that JP is watching and taking mental notes, and in the changing rooms shouts and screams. I hope so as in the earlier games he was full of energy, motivating the players from the side, applauding them etc.. just seems flat to me... probably nothing just something I noticed...JP with all the coaches and subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redorwhitelion Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 i think you have completely missed the point here.. Thanks for the patronising reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Thanks for the patronising reply. no worries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Agree totally. Why was Jan not crying? If he cried I think the team would have gone on to win. I would like to see players holding each other when on the bench. I want to see people rocking or lying in a foetal position. This would all be positive and would help us no end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Agree totally. Why was Jan not crying? If he cried I think the team would have gone on to win. I would like to see players holding each other when on the bench. I want to see people rocking or lying in a foetal position. This would all be positive and would help us no end. I don't think I have seen so much effort for such little reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Agree totally. Why was Jan not crying? If he cried I think the team would have gone on to win. I would like to see players holding each other when on the bench. I want to see people rocking or lying in a foetal position. This would all be positive and would help us no end. lol. Delldays in 'Mountains out of Molehills' shock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 I sort of thought he looked a bit shell shocked and unsure of what he could do. But then again, just because you don't throw your arms around, swear, smash tea cups and pace the touchline doesn't make you a bad manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 "We had a great start to the second half but then Southampton changed their shape and put us under a little bit of pressure, but it would have been a travesty had we got anything else but a win http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/7639364.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 There's no right or wrong way to manage. It's all very well shouting and hollering on the sidelines, but does it really do any good? Poortvliet is more of a coach, and comes from that school of doing things. Unfortunately, that way is not employed much in Britain - we seem to prefer people who wave their arms about. The fact that Poortvliet uses this method is of no great concern to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan56 Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 What continues to worry me is the complete lack of any nouse in defending just about anything that is sent into the 18 yard area. As for the young lad Lloyd James, just what the hell was he on? Never in position, completely skinned and totally bereft of any idea as to how to play, let alone defend. Portaloo must be able to see this. The lads confidence will be shot to pieces if he is left in again to suffer as he did. Sorry a complete shambles yesterday and the signs are worrying. Still must be positive. At least I haven't splashed out any cash in advance this season and Milton Keynes and Northampton are not bad places to visit next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 I think he's realised that it's hard enough for the players to understand him when he's talking normally, let alone when he's screaming from up to 50 yards away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Ian Holloway jumps up and down like a ****, but I wouldn't want him at St Mary's. You wouldn't want a passionate manager then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Perhaps he was jumping about when the camera wasn't on him? Really, who cares? Wenger does not leap around much. Would much rather have a manager who thought things through than behaved like a chimpanzee on speed. JP has a lot to think about and a lot to do. Judge him by his results rather than his histronics (or lack of them). It is still early days. Nothing is going to transform this club over night. WE are far from the worst club in this division - sort the defence out and we will do fine. Coventry were down with us and have shot up the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 bring back pearson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 (edited) Perhaps he was jumping about when the camera wasn't on him? Really, who cares? Wenger does not leap around much. Would much rather have a manager who thought things through than behaved like a chimpanzee on speed. JP has a lot to think about and a lot to do. Judge him by his results rather than his histronics (or lack of them). It is still early days. Nothing is going to transform this club over night. WE are far from the worst club in this division - sort the defence out and we will do fine. Coventry were down with us and have shot up the table. and they get to play experience players. and got investment to buy players. they got it easy compared to us. But they've got far worse support than us. Edited 5 October, 2008 by Calvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 My point was that there is a small gap and that we too can climb up there. Will Coventry drop again? Who knows? But they were not doing that great until yesterday were they, for all of the supposed advantages they have over us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 SOG,there is no sign that JP has the foggiest about defending in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 SOG,there is no sign that JP has the foggiest about defending in this league. Imagine if JP had strong defenders at his disposal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 What continues to worry me is the complete lack of any nouse in defending just about anything that is sent into the 18 yard area. As for the young lad Lloyd James, just what the hell was he on? Never in position, completely skinned and totally bereft of any idea as to how to play, let alone defend. Portaloo must be able to see this. The lads confidence will be shot to pieces if he is left in again to suffer as he did. Sorry a complete shambles yesterday and the signs are worrying. Still must be positive. At least I haven't splashed out any cash in advance this season and Milton Keynes and Northampton are not bad places to visit next year. James was poor against Norwich and james was very, very lucky to get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 SOG,there is no sign that JP has the foggiest about defending in this league. Which is a huge worry. He says the right things in general terms and perhaps he feels that it is inapproriate to single out one area for critisism, who knows? But we do concded far too easily and the fact that Kelvin has been our best player of late speaks volumes. I have not taken to critising managers over the last few seasons because I think they have a very tough job here and have done what they can with what they have, but I am worried that JP seems happy to bring in more midfield and attacking options whilst not addressing the defensive fralties. Perhaps it is a Dutch thing? For all of the quality players the Dutch had and have they don't have much sliverware to show. Probably the greatest squad ever was the Brazil team in 1970, and they could defend. I am guesing that the plan is to keep a group of youngsters together and spend time moulding them into a team. I can live with that, but if some of these players are not good enough and maybe never will be, I for one would not stick with them. It is always a tough call, but I would rathe see a bunch of old warhorses at the back and use the youth in midfield and upfront for a time. It does nothing fo anyones confidence to see the way that teams cut through us at the back. Lots of work to be done, just hope it is done in the right areas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Which is a huge worry. He says the right things in general terms and perhaps he feels that it is inapproriate to single out one area for critisism, who knows? But we do concded far too easily and the fact that Kelvin has been our best player of late speaks volumes. I have not taken to critising managers over the last few seasons because I think they have a very tough job here and have done what they can with what they have, but I am worried that JP seems happy to bring in more midfield and attacking options whilst not addressing the defensive fralties. Perhaps it is a Dutch thing? For all of the quality players the Dutch had and have they don't have much sliverware to show. Probably the greatest squad ever was the Brazil team in 1970, and they could defend. I am guesing that the plan is to keep a group of youngsters together and spend time moulding them into a team. I can live with that, but if some of these players are not good enough and maybe never will be, I for one would not stick with them. It is always a tough call, but I would rathe see a bunch of old warhorses at the back and use the youth in midfield and upfront for a time. It does nothing fo anyones confidence to see the way that teams cut through us at the back. Lots of work to be done, just hope it is done in the right areas! The trouble is we are still lacking a spine ie a decent natural goal scoring centre forward, a leader in the middle of the park and a dominant centre-back. No wonder we are starting to fall apart. Decent man though he may be I do think JP out of his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 The trouble is we are still lacking a spine ie a decent natural goal scoring centre forward, a leader in the middle of the park and a dominant centre-back. No wonder we are starting to fall apart. Decent man though he may be I do think JP out of his depth. Agree we need more backbone but how do we get the winners needed in those positions to make this a decent team when, of course, as we all know, we're skint? The alternative is that the manager instills it into the players we've got. I remember Peter Taylor (of Clough and Taylor fame) when asked on TV once what he looked for in signing a player, identified the ability to pass the ball. When pressed on the importance of the will to win he said he and Clough weren't bothered about that because they could put that in the players. It's down to JP to put the winning mentality into the youngsters. Can he do it? Having said that Clough reckoned (to my mate when on holiday in Mallorca a years or so before he died) that the best signing he ever made was Dave Mackay who he persuaded not to retire and around whom he built his title winning side. We need another Bally or Jimmy Case. That's down to RL and MW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Billy Davies would have been going mental, f'sure :smt070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Billy Davies would have been going mental, f'sure :smt070 would the result been any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 SOG,agree with you for the first time ever. Is this a hallelujah moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 i think you have completely missed the point here.. How has he? Unless you have used words in their incorrect contexts he has summed up your point from a differing viewpoint. Agree totally. Why was Jan not crying? If he cried I think the team would have gone on to win. I would like to see players holding each other when on the bench. I want to see people rocking or lying in a foetal position. This would all be positive and would help us no end. I know you were joking, but you make a good point, I don't know quite what people expect. There's no right or wrong way to manage. It's all very well shouting and hollering on the sidelines, but does it really do any good? Poortvliet is more of a coach, and comes from that school of doing things. Unfortunately, that way is not employed much in Britain - we seem to prefer people who wave their arms about. The fact that Poortvliet uses this method is of no great concern to me. Well said. I consider this as stupid an observation as when people used to berate Burley's post match interviews for being dull, which is as relevant to how the team played as it was to his performance in bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 SOG,there is no sign that JP has the foggiest about defending in this league. Well, I guess the 3 consecutive league clean sheets before this game count for nothing then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Imagine if JP had strong defenders at his disposal... Imagine if our manager was an experienced international defender who had played in the world cup final....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Well, I guess the 3 consecutive league clean sheets before this game count for nothing then? All down to KD, NOT the defenders ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 they got it easy compared to us. But they've got far worse support than us. Now wouldn't be a good time to say their attendance yesterday was better then our last two.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Well, I guess the 3 consecutive league clean sheets before this game count for nothing then? Against Barnsley, Doncaster Rovers and the worst Norwich team in living memory. Well, f**k me, I'm convinced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 What continues to worry me is the complete lack of any nouse in defending just about anything that is sent into the 18 yard area. As for the young lad Lloyd James, just what the hell was he on? Never in position, completely skinned and totally bereft of any idea as to how to play, let alone defend. Portaloo must be able to see this. The lads confidence will be shot to pieces if he is left in again to suffer as he did. Sorry a complete shambles yesterday and the signs are worrying. Still must be positive. At least I haven't splashed out any cash in advance this season and Milton Keynes and Northampton are not bad places to visit next year. Missed the real point with James. He was trying to fill the whole of the right side, front and back on his own, as McGoldrick refuses to play where he is put, doesn't track back, and is totally selfish in the way he plays. It needs the other players to pass the ball out to the empty right side and then tell him to get out there. He will then become the scapegoat. James needs to just sit back and pass down the line rather than trying to do too much. He will then be less exposed and make McGoldrick look stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Against Barnsley, Doncaster Rovers and the worst Norwich team in living memory. Well, f**k me, I'm convinced... That's the three relegation places covered then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 SOG,there is no sign that JP has the foggiest about defending in this league. Against Barnsley, Doncaster Rovers and the worst Norwich team in living memory. Well, f**k me, I'm convinced... Those three teams appear to be in this league. alpine = moronic idiot. QED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polegategavin Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Having only seen the 3 live games on Sky, it has appeared obvious from those games that our full backs are being exposed with sickening ease and they aren't able to stop crosses coming in from the byline. We have the same problem from either freekicks or most clearly from corners where we appear to be a sixes and sevens every time. My worry is that JP and his coaches think that if we encourage one/ two touch flowing attacking passing football this will overcome the frailties we have defensively. Saturday's game sent alarm bells ringing in my head that we need to sort out our defence quickly otherwise this season will be a real struggle as any team with any nouse will review our match videos and use wingers to cause us constant problems. From listening to the Norwich game we were lucky that Davis was outstanding and that if Sibierski had found the inside of the post rather than it rebound out off it we would have lost that match to IMHO. It is so clear for any neutral watching let alone a fan, I worry why we have ignored it and keep signing midfield/ forwards on loan rather than full backs. It almost feels like deja vu, with Burley and his centre back problem. Do these 'coaches' have a blind spot or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Well, I guess the 3 consecutive league clean sheets before this game count for nothing then? no those games don,t count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 (edited) No point calling for JPs head, even though he is out of his depth. The fact is, no manager worth his salt would work under Lowe letting him call the shots. We are stuck with JP. Edited 6 October, 2008 by Wade Garrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 I know what your saying. At the Ipswich game at SMS the other week, I was sat behind the dugout. JP was very static with his hands in his pockets, not saying or doing much, where as Jim Magilton was screaming instructions. It might be that JP is watching and taking mental notes, and in the changing rooms shouts and screams.i agee i think we had the same type of nonsense about pearson being out of his depth last season ,i backed pearson and am happy to back jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 So Pearson wasn't any good because we were convinced he just jumped up and down on the touchline all game. Now Poortvliet is no good because he doesn't jump up and down enough. Perhaps we should advertise the job for the next applicant specifying exactly how much jumping up and down would be adequate for us as fans? By all means let's discuss the failings of the players or the tactics - but criticising the manager's reactions when we go 1-0, 2-0, 3-0 down so easily is surely pointless. The 4-1 scoreline (and the manner of our defeat) means we interpret Poortvliet's silence as weakness and Coleman's agitation as sign of a commanding manager. If the scoreline was reversed, we'd see Poortvliet's silence as being in control and Coleman's agitation as a sign of desperation. It's all subjective. It gets a little ridiculous on this forum watching how each defeat leads to painfully self-conscious dissections of what the manager says, how the manager stands, what brand of underwear he wears, etc. etc. The important stuff is on the field. Everything else is just a poor reflection of it - and as such is open to our own interpretations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 I thought his substitutions were brave and did change the flow of the game in our favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 I thought his substitutions were brave and did change the flow of the game in our favour. Exactly - but you won't get far on this forum displaying sense like that. He made a change which got us back creating chances (although it left us as weak at the back as ever). It got us back to 3-1 and (if Macgoldrick had converted that bread and butter one-on-one) we could have been back at 3-2, even if we didn't deserve to be. This forum seems to willingly find only the worst in things. We've complained about managers who can't use substitutes properly or change their system. Poortvliet did both and yet we're discussing whether he was making enough noise on the touchline. Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Exactly - but you won't get far on this forum displaying sense like that. He made a change which got us back creating chances (although it left us as weak at the back as ever). It got us back to 3-1 and (if Macgoldrick had converted that bread and butter one-on-one) we could have been back at 3-2, even if we didn't deserve to be. This forum seems to willingly find only the worst in things. We've complained about managers who can't use substitutes properly or change their system. Poortvliet did both and yet we're discussing whether he was making enough noise on the touchline. Bizarre.TOA I have got used to in the main shouting into the wind...or should be at the windbags. This site is only lively after a defeat and then the anti's are in full throw, they have the International break to keep it going as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 One mans bravery can be another mans desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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