chivvy1664 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 I watched stoke versus portsmouth yesterday at fratton park. NO IM NOT THINKING OF BECOMING A PORTSMOUTH FAN. The thing that struck me about both sides was the sheer physical Strength and size of the players on both sides. Stoke are massive. The portsmouth centre back pairing where also huge not to mention Bouba Diop and sum of the subs where incredibly tall. Why do we never seem to find any africans to bolster our centre back slots. I would love a couple of undiscovered ibrihaim sonkos or abedoulaye fayes. They must be out there. Why do we always end up with one of our CB being short Baird/Perry? Where our we scouting currently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Where our we scouting currently? Mothercare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 I watched stoke versus portsmouth yesterday at fratton park. NO IM NOT THINKING OF BECOMING A PORTSMOUTH FAN. The thing that struck me about both sides was the sheer physical Strength and size of the players on both sides. Stoke are massive. The portsmouth centre back pairing where also huge not to mention Bouba Diop and sum of the subs where incredibly tall. Why do we never seem to find any africans to bolster our centre back slots. I would love a couple of undiscovered ibrihaim sonkos or abedoulaye fayes. They must be out there. Why do we always end up with one of our CB being short Baird/Perry? Where our we scouting currently? Campbell and Distin are Africans now? Mind what you say about Sol, he's very touchy. We did have Mettomo but he was crap. Can't generalise like that. We had Powell as well, he was also crap; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 The pygmies are also an African tribe too. And coincidentally the club is run by pygmies, both intellectually and financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 The pygmies are also an African tribe too. And coincidentally the club is run by pygmies, both intellectually and financially. We are run by the wherethe****arewe tribe actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 I would love a couple of undiscovered ibrihaim sonkos or abedoulaye fayes. They must be out there. They've been discovered...they're Ibrihaim Sonko and Abedoulaye Faye [sic] One must be willing to deal with brown envelopes also... And we've cut back on stationery costs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Campbell and Distin are Africans now? Mind what you say about Sol, he's very touchy. We did have Mettomo but he was crap. Can't generalise like that. We had Powell as well, he was also crap; Also Titus Bramble is a strong, black central defender but I wouldn't want him playing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Being African and/or tall doesn't nescessarily make you good. There have been plenty of big centre-backs for Saints that were crap. Davenport was a lanky git, but always seemed to be beaten in the air by players a foot shorter than him. Baird on the other hand could jump like a salmon and managed to keep the rather large Steve Howard quiet enough in the playoff second leg. Darren Powell was a pretty big bloke and conversely, the worst centre half I have ever seen in a Saints shirt. Mettomo, Hajto and Jackobsson were all built like brick outhouses and were all crap. The good ones are usually taken and, in many cases, being paid far more than we could offer them in the French First League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 People need to realise that it is what is between the ears that count. Every CB (bar Svennson) we have had for god knows how many years are SLOW WITTED,and have been continually beaten to the ball at set-pieces by smaller men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 People need to realise that it is what is between the ears that count. Every CB (bar Svennson) we have had for god knows how many years are SLOW WITTED,and have been continually beaten to the ball at set-pieces by smaller men. That should read, "every big CB" some of the little guys have read the game pretty well and been reliable. I am thinking Perry and Baird here. Davies was also sharp enough in his time here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 That should read, "every big CB" some of the little guys have read the game pretty well and been reliable. I am thinking Perry and Baird here. Davies was also sharp enough in his time here. Yes we certainly need defeders who can think and re-act quickly, especially if they can outpace most CCC wingers/midfielders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustonmyfeet Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Well we can talk as much as we like, but we had the chance to hold onto the OH SO DOMINANT Mettomo last season, oh no he wasn't good enough! Speaking of Stoke, what we really need is someone with a long throw. Somebody that would really frighten those nancies in the premier league. Why is it that when Delap played for us, his long throws were a joke but when he leaves, suddenly it becomes a superpower and he is feared by every opposition team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 how about a couple of Zulus for the Swansea and Cardiff games? That should put the wind up the Welsh......we may need to be careful though that their injured/malingering players don't get on the pitch and try to take part later on in the game though....and who will organise the cattle stampede? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Aren't the Masai around 7 feet tall? We could have a complete team of Peter Crouchs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 (edited) My concern with any "unknown" foreign player scouted from Swaziland or Eastern Europe etc is the challenge to turn potential talent into rock solid team performances, particularly at centre back. Many rough diamonds that may be out there may also have difficulty dealing with new UK surroundings and more cash than they have ever had. It can be a recipe for disaster, particularly with less intelligent or more impressionable recruits. It's not just about raw talent. IMO players signed from such places need to be assisted by the club to integrate sensibly into society and taught loyalty to SFC (and maybe citizenship) rather than ending up all too easily doing the "big one" with cars, women etc at the detriment to their careers and Saints' fortunes... Edited 6 October, 2008 by TopGun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 My concern with any "unknown" foreign player scouted from Swaziland or Eastern Europe etc is the challenge to turn potential talent into rock solid team performances, particularly at centre back. Many rough diamonds that may be out there may also have difficulty dealing with new UK surroundings and more cash than they have ever had. It can be a recipe for disaster, particularly with less intelligent or more impressionable recruits. It's not just about raw talent. IMO players signed from such places need to be assisted by the club to integrate sensibly into society and taught loyalty to SFC (and maybe citizenship) rather than ending up all too easily doing the "big one" with cars, women etc at the detriment to their careers and Saints' fortunes... I'd tend to agree with this. Money is so tight at the moment that any player signed needs to come straight in and do a job for the team, no matter whether that involves a transfer fee, a loan or a free transfer. Quite frankly, whilst the idea of signing a load of players on the basis of their athleticism is a very good one, for every Kenwyne Jones, there has been a Federico Arias, Kleber Chala or Jason St. Juste (sp?). That said, if we were ever to win promotion to the prem or inherit a cash injection from a lovely wealthy benefactor it would definately be an approach I'd be in favour of. You only have to look at Arsene Wenger. Adebayor and Kolo Toure were pony when first signed but had every natural attribute required to make them top players. The same way Kenwyne Jones developed from a sprinter to a football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Aren't the Masai around 7 feet tall? We could have a complete team of Peter Crouchs. Its a good thought but I think the Masai are nomadic. We need our CBs to hold their shape and not wander off out of the stadium and into downtown S'ton (probably with our current Right Back!!) in search of water holes and grazing land. I think they also like to stand on one leg (for some reason)which may be a bit of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Its a good thought but I think the Masai are nomadic. We need our CBs to hold their shape and not wander off out of the stadium and into downtown S'ton (probably with our current Right Back!!) in search of water holes and grazing land. I think they also like to stand on one leg (for some reason)which may be a bit of a problem. I believe the nomadic Masai breed cattle so that they can drink both the blood and the milk as they wander about. Might be an interesting half time multicultural show at SMS if we sign a Masai tribe giant at centre half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 I believe the nomadic Masai breed cattle so that they can drink both the blood and the milk as they wander about. Might be an interesting half time multicultural show at SMS if we sign a Masai tribe giant at centre half. In fact the Masai (or some of them) are far too busy fitting goat condoms to play football just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 I believe the nomadic Masai breed cattle so that they can drink both the blood and the milk as they wander about. Might be an interesting half time multicultural show at SMS if we sign a Masai tribe giant at centre half. Bang goes the annual award for best playing surface, thats all I can say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Bang goes the annual award for best playing surface, thats all I can say... Ken Armstong was clearly an albino Masai. Nobody realised it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Interestingly enough the Mongol hordes led by that cheeky chappie Genghis Khan (who would I feel do a good job as an aggressive holding mid?)used to travel vast distances in a short space of time by making cuts in their horses and drinking their blood. None of that poncey lucozade sport for Genghis, oh no...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chivvy1664 Posted 6 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Also Titus Bramble is a strong, black central defender but I wouldn't want him playing for us. He would probably be good in CCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chivvy1664 Posted 6 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Campbell and Distin are Africans now? Mind what you say about Sol, he's very touchy. We did have Mettomo but he was crap. Can't generalise like that. We had Powell as well, he was also crap; mettomo wasnt that tall/big powell was indeed a disapointing. the majority of sides that get out of this league are good in the air at both ends of the field. We are not. FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Interestingly enough the Mongol hordes led by that cheeky chappie Genghis Khan (who would I feel do a good job as an aggressive holding mid?)used to travel vast distances in a short space of time by making cuts in their horses and drinking their blood. None of that poncey lucozade sport for Genghis, oh no...... Ahh Gengis, inventor of state sponsored terrorism. Make a few examples in a newly conquered village to keep the rest in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 I watched stoke versus portsmouth yesterday at fratton park. NO IM NOT THINKING OF BECOMING A PORTSMOUTH FAN. The thing that struck me about both sides was the sheer physical Strength and size of the players on both sides. Stoke are massive. The portsmouth centre back pairing where also huge not to mention Bouba Diop and sum of the subs where incredibly tall. Why do we never seem to find any africans to bolster our centre back slots. I would love a couple of undiscovered ibrihaim sonkos or abedoulaye fayes. They must be out there. Why do we always end up with one of our CB being short Baird/Perry? Where our we scouting currently? One word, Pele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Ahh Gengis, inventor of state sponsored terrorism. Make a few examples in a newly conquered village to keep the rest in order. Perhaps in the style of the great Khan JP's banishment of Dyer to foreign lands was to serve as an example to the other players. Which worked for Norwich but not for Coventry...... perhaps we need a decapitation next time to make the point with slightly more force?:smt090 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chivvy1664 Posted 6 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2008 One word, Pele id have him back in midfield now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 The pygmies are also an African tribe too. And coincidentally the club is run by pygmies, both intellectually and financially. Ooooh! That'll get the scoobdanceanis on your back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Perhaps in the style of the great Khan JP's banishment of Dyer to foreign lands was to serve as an example to the other players. Which worked for Norwich but not for Coventry...... perhaps we need a decapitation next time to make the point with slightly more force?:smt090 Also worked for Doncaster, our lads probably have short memories. I'm sure a few of them try to flash it on TV to get a (big) money move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole1 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 As long as we stear clear of the Fuzzy Wuzzys. They don't like it up em apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 I would like to see an all black defence. I think they would be good. They would be tall and strong and people wouln't want to mess with them. I would like to see white people running things, as in colonial days, in the midfield. Maybe a tall Maasai warrior up front with a little pygmy to play off him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Are all the good CBs African? Why not scout the Nordic countries. I seem to remember that in the good old days we had two CBs who cost very little but were a great CB pairing. Now what were their names ....... oh, I remember, Lundekvam and Svensson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 18 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Go back a bit further my friend "Super Ken" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Which part of Africa is Darren Powell from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Oh, so if they're playing football it's fine. Otherwise it's 'oh no, they're coming over here taking our jobs'. ******s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Oh' date=' so if they're playing football it's fine. Otherwise it's 'oh no, they're coming over here taking our jobs'. ******s.[/quote'] There's always one who has to play the race card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 id have him back in midfield now. As a MF so would I, but the thread is about African Centre Backs. Actually I would have Pele back as a CB, but he doesn't fit into the sterotype that the OP was portraying. I still think he was a cultured CB, more in the Claus role than the Killer role, and alongside the right partner (a big bruising CB) he would have been a top player. Trouble was our dozy coaches thought the two of them could play together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callysaint76 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Its clear that we need kenyans http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 I would like to see an all black defence. I think they would be good. They would be tall and strong and people wouln't want to mess with them. I would like to see white people running things, as in colonial days, in the midfield. Maybe a tall Maasai warrior up front with a little pygmy to play off him. Smart arse! JD is not a Pygmy,,,,,,,,,,,,just vertically challenged;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Also Titus Bramble is a strong, black central defender but I wouldn't want him playing for us. Wait, why? He's been solid this season for Wigan, he'd come here and be our best defender easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 7 October, 2008 Share Posted 7 October, 2008 Wait, why? He's been solid this season for Wigan, he'd come here and be our best defender easily. Definately agree. He was quality at times for Newcastle. Sometimes unbeatable. The thing is though, he was part of a defence that was ridiculed from all sides during his time at Newcastle which did his confidence no good at all. Dont get me wrong he's still capable of the odd howler but by the same token, he's still capable of defending the likes of Didier Drogba out of a game. Put Bramble in the Championship, he'd be the best defender in the league by a country mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 7 October, 2008 Share Posted 7 October, 2008 I would like to see an all black defence. I think they would be good. They would be tall and strong and people wouln't want to mess with them. I would like to see white people running things, as in colonial days, in the midfield. Maybe a tall Maasai warrior up front with a little pygmy to play off him. The back 4, comprising entirely of Nubian slaves come on to the pitch, carry Rupert Lowe aloft on a gold litter. He contemptuously eats grapes as a an actual lion is brought on to cover midfield. The forwards have a great understanding amd are never more than 5 yards from each other. That's because they're chained together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 7 October, 2008 Share Posted 7 October, 2008 Wait, why? He's been solid this season for Wigan, he'd come here and be our best defender easily. Ok fair enough, I'll admit I haven't been to many Wigan games this season. My point simply was that it seems like a strange generalisation to say we need to sign strong, black defenders as if those attributes alone make them effective. I used Bramble as an example just because of the cliche that he's rubbish. Davies did very well for us last season and he didn't look like an African to me. Lucketti wasn't bad either, I don't think it makes much difference where they come from, by that reasoning we should be signing the first small forward we can find from argentina in the hope he will be a similar player to Maradona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 October, 2008 Share Posted 7 October, 2008 id have him back in midfield now. every day of the week. A midfielder that can head the ball. We can only dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 October, 2008 Share Posted 7 October, 2008 Which part of Africa is Darren Powell from? the part yet to discover football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 7 October, 2008 Share Posted 7 October, 2008 The back 4, comprising entirely of Nubian slaves come on to the pitch, carry Rupert Lowe aloft on a gold litter. He contemptuously eats grapes as a an actual lion is brought on to cover midfield. The forwards have a great understanding amd are never more than 5 yards from each other. That's because they're chained together. This is a great idea. I would also support having hungry lions and polar bears on pitch and Sky would agree. Unfortunately Dyer wouldn't be eaten as he has already legged it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 8 October, 2008 Share Posted 8 October, 2008 Scouting Africa for us would be fairly pointless as gaining work permits is always going to be far too difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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