forever a red and white Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 For some reason the link keeps aboritng but.. Liverpool and Ars have been quoted £10 million for Alex Chamberlain! Also in BBC gossip colum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saint Fan CaM Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Given infation (since Theo and Bale), his talent and our ability financially to keep hold of players now, that figure is entirely reasonable I would say. He'll probably go for £3m then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Actually, according to the article, I don't think any money has been 'quoted' at all yet......rather that it would take 'Walcott' type money to prise him away as Saints are not interested in selling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 If he wants to go, he'll go (And players nearly always want to go!) With that said, unlike the Theo/Bale situation, I'd hope that nearly all of that sum gets pumped back into the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Link http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/12/20/2268864/arsenal-and-liverpool-prepare-bids-for-next-theo-walcott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 "The coaching staff rate him more highly than Theo Walcott at the same age" Is that the same coaching staff or different coaching staff then... Just asking. Anyway sounds like agent talk to me, yes I know that his dad is his agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 I don't think he'll be here long, unfortunately. Once a player gains a bit of media interest, it's usually the beginning of the end for their Saints career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Anything in the multiple millions and i'd drive him over there. Crazy money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 I don't think he'll be here long, unfortunately. Once a player gains a bit of media interest, it's usually the beginning of the end for their Saints career. But you have to ask yourself why there is all this media interest, exactly from where they got the coachs' comparisons Sorry but to me it just sounds like an out and out sales campaign for the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 But you have to ask yourself why there is all this media interest, exactly from where they got the coachs' comparisons Sorry but to me it just sounds like an out and out sales campaign for the lad. t it happens all the time with young players...its called raising their profile..so when they move they will be in a position to command a far better deal look at all he hype about the lad at ipswich..conner whickam.....he is going to be the next big thing (according to the hype) an linked with man u and arsenal...eyt rarely scores in the CCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 t it happens all the time with young players...its called raising their profile..so when they move they will be in a position to command a far better deal look at all he hype about the lad at ipswich..conner whickam.....he is going to be the next big thing (according to the hype) an linked with man u and arsenal...eyt rarely scores in the CCC And Arsenal have just signed an unknown Japanese high school player. The fact that they do this sort of thing will always give credence to this sort of gossip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 And Arsenal have just signed an unknown Japanese high school player. The fact that they do this sort of thing will always give credence to this sort of gossip. do you really think he is an unknown to arsenal..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 If we could sell him for 3m with add ons, then use that to buy 3 decent experienced players to get us out of this league then do it. These young stars with the transfer talk always prove to be a distraction/unsettling, to the team/club/fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 "The coaching staff rate him more highly than Theo Walcott at the same age" Is that the same coaching staff or different coaching staff then... Just asking. Anyway sounds like agent talk to me, yes I know that his dad is his agent. The 'sources' close to the club may well be his 'agent' I have read a few articles surrounding Mark talking about A-O-C, I fear the same. Admittedly some were in the Skate news so it is likely a massive slap of bias and selective quoting were in place! To me, his quotes suggest he would push his son to take on the first PL offer that came in, with a bit of smash and grab mentality. It seems completely different to the Lallana situation, and Surman in the past. I hope he progresses with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 do you really think he is an unknown to arsenal..? no, obviously they know something about him, Wenger left behind a powerful scouting system in Japan from the time he was coaching Grampus 8 so the lad must have all the attributes I guess.What I was meaning to say was that Arsenal do sign a lot of very young players and give them a lot of time to show what they can do. In fact AW believes that 18 months acclimatisation is about right for any player coming from a different football culture (as with Naasri) so he doesn't expect a great deal from them before hand.Thus when a young player is upwardly mobile shall we say his agent puts about Arsenal rumours whether there is any basis for them or not. Morgan spoke about it in the French press sometime last year. Said he was flattered but Arsenal had a habit of looking at almost every player with an ounce of talent so there was nothing to be assumed from their interest.AW had Morgan watched again last summer at Toulon and again in the Euro 2011 qualifiers, doesn't mean much because the scout (in this case Gilles Grimandi) probably watched out for 5 or 6 other players as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 If we don't need the cash, which i don't really think we do then i would hold out for silly money (and 10mil is silly money for him IMO) plus add ons. If teams really really think he is worth it then they will pay. I know we are still a lowly league 1 side but are positioned to actually fight interest away to an extent. Obviously if AOC wants to go then i have no doubt that he will do but i think gone are the days when we will just roll over and accept it (albeit that Lowe always seemed to get decent deals TBF). Any cash that we do make however i fully expect to be pumped straight back into the side. FWIW I don't think we will lose any of our bigger stars in January and also don't think, if we get promoted, we will lose any in the summer. I do think that if we fail in promotion we will be decimated and will have to start over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 NB - Thread title updated to something a little more intuitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 If we don't need the cash, which i don't really think we do then i would hold out for silly money (and 10mil is silly money for him IMO) plus add ons. If teams really really think he is worth it then they will pay. I know we are still a lowly league 1 side but are positioned to actually fight interest away to an extent. Obviously if AOC wants to go then i have no doubt that he will do but i think gone are the days when we will just roll over and accept it (albeit that Lowe always seemed to get decent deals TBF). Any cash that we do make however i fully expect to be pumped straight back into the side. FWIW I don't think we will lose any of our bigger stars in January and also don't think, if we get promoted, we will lose any in the summer. I do think that if we fail in promotion we will be decimated and will have to start over again. Once again, the price we get for AOC (or anyone else) will depend on how much he wants to get out of the door.It will also depend on what has been written into his contract.For all we know there could be a "if a big team comes calling,I'm out of here for .. million clause" It is pointless arguing about want to sell and naming numbers when we know nothing about preset conditions.It might well be worth mentioning that Theo had a biggish contract with Nike from about 14 onwards, he was probably of more use to them at arsenal than struggling southampton. I have no idea whether AOC has this sort of contract or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Once again, the price we get for AOC (or anyone else) will depend on how much he wants to get out of the door.It will also depend on what has been written into his contract.For all we know there could be a "if a big team comes calling,I'm out of here for .. million clause" It is pointless arguing about want to sell and naming numbers when we know nothing about preset conditions.It might well be worth mentioning that Theo had a biggish contract with Nike from about 14 onwards, he was probably of more use to them at arsenal than struggling southampton. I have no idea whether AOC has this sort of contract or not. That is a good point, and one that yeah, will always have to be taken into consideration. But has he not recently signed a deal for 5 years or something ?? Also, i don't think NC is a fool, he is not going to write into AOC's contract, who is looking like he has a future, a buy out clause for a paultry amount. I suppose it also all depends on the level of interest, if for instance it is only Arsenal that make an offer than we have no negotiation room really, especially if AOC digs in his heels and demands a move. I would still be hopeful that we get a decent deal for him, as we could also say to him that we will let him rot if push comes to shove (to an extent as players can always go to court to get their contract torn up). However if there is a high level of interest we would be in a better position. I wouldn't worry about it, it is all paper talk and blog writting. There is probably very little basis of it. Perhaps he has been scouted, of which i have no doubt that he is. If we were a big side then i would be a bit concerend if we didn't have a look at players like AOC. And that has caused some speculation and someone wants their blog read, thats about it. I fully expect there will be a few enquiries, as i expect there will be for lallana and fonte, but honestly i don't think anything will happen in jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 That is a good point, and one that yeah, will always have to be taken into consideration. But has he not recently signed a deal for 5 years or something ?? Also, i don't think NC is a fool, he is not going to write into AOC's contract, who is looking like he has a future, a buy out clause for a paultry amount. I suppose it also all depends on the level of interest, if for instance it is only Arsenal that make an offer than we have no negotiation room really, especially if AOC digs in his heels and demands a move. I would still be hopeful that we get a decent deal for him, as we could also say to him that we will let him rot if push comes to shove (to an extent as players can always go to court to get their contract torn up). However if there is a high level of interest we would be in a better position. I wouldn't worry about it, it is all paper talk and blog writting. There is probably very little basis of it. Perhaps he has been scouted, of which i have no doubt that he is. If we were a big side then i would be a bit concerend if we didn't have a look at players like AOC. And that has caused some speculation and someone wants their blog read, thats about it. I fully expect there will be a few enquiries, as i expect there will be for lallana and fonte, but honestly i don't think anything will happen in jan. A five year deal means virtually nothing, if Arsenal or Liverpool come calling he will leave, and probably for nowhere near the 10 million mentioned.As I've said, it looks to me as if someone is determined to get him out of here as soon as possible if the offer is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 A five year deal means virtually nothing, if Arsenal or Liverpool come calling he will leave, and probably for nowhere near the 10 million mentioned.As I've said, it looks to me as if someone is determined to get him out of here as soon as possible if the offer is right. Well, i can't remember where i heard it but i did read somewhere that AOC's father has no intention of making the same mistakes that Surman made and believes ATM his sons best option is to continue his development at a side who is playing him and that has a good set up....us. Now, this may be all about getting him a better deal, he is probably on next to nothing ATM as most youngsters are, especially compared to what last year we regarded as our definate 11 players. If it was me, considering he is now looking like big part of the plans for one reason or another, i would be looking for more parity in my pay packet. And in all honesty i think that is what it is all about. AOC won't be going anywhere, but he may get a better deal in the near future. Arsenal is the only real option for him IMO, Liverpool have no real pedigree in progressing players but then even looking at the level in which Arsenal spend on youth i don't think they are the youth development machine everyone makes them out to be. They just buy buy buy. At the moment we are the best bet in his career. If arsenal or liverpool come calling, i know it won't be 10mil as that is madness for a league 1 player, but i fully expect us to chuck bolt ons after bolt ons on the deal. IF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 "The coaching staff rate him more highly than Theo Walcott at the same age" Is that the same coaching staff or different coaching staff then... Just asking. Anyway sounds like agent talk to me, yes I know that his dad is his agent. Walcott was playing for Arsenal and in England squad at the same age! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 I'd take £10m to be honnest. That amount reinvested in the squad should get us to the Premier League quite comfortably, regardless of the situation with the Liebherr family. That amount of cash would buy Le Fondre, Fryatt, Antonio and Danns 3 times over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Walcott was playing for Arsenal and in England squad at the same age! not the point, are these the same coaches or not, that's the question. I though there had been pretty major turmoil down at the academy in recent times,perhaps there are still one or two people there who were with us in 2005/6 though.Jason Dodd is youth team manager isn't he? but when Theo was there he was with Eastleigh or Bath or something like that. Perhaps Mark Chamberlain was a coach with us when Theo was at the academy. I really don't know. I asked out of genuine interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 I'd take £10m to be honnest. That amount reinvested in the squad should get us to the Premier League quite comfortably, regardless of the situation with the Liebherr family. That amount of cash would buy Le Fondre, Fryatt, Antonio and Danns 3 times over. Anyone would take10 million, but we won't as it won't get offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 I'd take £10m to be honnest. That amount reinvested in the squad should get us to the Premier League quite comfortably, regardless of the situation with the Liebherr family. That amount of cash would buy Le Fondre, Fryatt, Antonio and Danns 3 times over. But if the club is going to spend money anyway, why would it need £3m for Chamberlain? So to say "regardless of the situation with the Liebherr family" is bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 "The coaching staff rate him more highly than Theo Walcott at the same age" Is that the same coaching staff or different coaching staff then... Just asking. Anyway sounds like agent talk to me, yes I know that his dad is his agent. Walcott was playing for Arsenal and in England squad at the same age! not the point, are these the same coaches or not, that's the question. I though there had been pretty major turmoil down at the academy in recent times,perhaps there are still one or two people there who were with us in 2005/6 though.Jason Dodd is youth team manager isn't he? but when Theo was there he was with Eastleigh or Bath or something like that. Perhaps Mark Chamberlain was a coach with us when Theo was at the academy. I really don't know. I asked out of genuine interest. was replying more to the bit you quoted than your comment sorry, how can anyone say with any credibility he is better than Walcott at the same age when he has managed 15 appearance and 4 goals in league 1, and at same age Walcott had more than matched that in CCC, plus played for arsenal in prem and champions league, plus been picked for a world cup squad, plus won BBC young sports personality of the year - and was soon to score in a cup final! Not even close! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 But if the club is going to spend money anyway, why would it need £3m for Chamberlain? So to say "regardless of the situation with the Liebherr family" is bizarre. Who said we were going to spend "money" then. I personally doubt if we'll spend much more than we receive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 was replying more to the bit you quoted than your comment sorry, how can anyone say with any credibility he is better than Walcott at the same age when he has managed 15 appearance and 4 goals in league 1, and at same age Walcott had more than matched that in CCC, plus played for arsenal in prem and champions league, plus been picked for a world cup squad, plus won BBC young sports personality of the year - and was soon to score in a cup final! Not even close! Why can't you say he is better? It is impossible at the moment for Chamberlain to play in the Championship, Premiership, Champions League etc because he is at Saints in League One. That doesn't mean people can't see he has attributes that make him better at the same age, even if he is playing against League One players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Who said we were going to spend "money" then. I personally doubt if we'll spend much more than we receive. Cortese and Adkins have both said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Every player has his price and I'd sell at anything north of £4m for the lad. If £10m was offered I'd throw in Pulis as an added bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Cortese and Adkins have both said it. really?? they've said money is available certainly, then they've added riders about players not being available, improvement only, may be this time,maybe next time, maybe in 12 months. In fact they seem to be preparing us to be underwhelmed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Can we make this thread into a poll? Who would you rather he go to for £10m? Liverpool, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 really?? they've said money is available certainly. Well, that was the question you asked. So you knew the answer already... Who said we were going to spend "money" then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Well, that was the question you asked. no I asked if they had said that we were going to spend money. I have money available for anything I want (well within reason) Doesn't mean I'm going to spend it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 how much did fabian delph go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 I've been told that Spurs were quoted £12M if/when they asked about AOC, from someone who claims to be Spurs ITK (but they all claim to be, so it's not adding anything to the credibility of the claim). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 how much did fabian delph go for? undisclosed, but rumoured to be around £6m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Every player has his price and I'd sell at anything north of £4m for the lad. will you be back on here a couple of years later asking about sell on clauses when he becomes the next Theo Walcott/Gareth Bale? IMO he is a rare talent like Walcott and £4m would not be nearly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Why can't you say he is better? It is impossible at the moment for Chamberlain to play in the Championship, Premiership, Champions League etc because he is at Saints in League One. That doesn't mean people can't see he has attributes that make him better at the same age, even if he is playing against League One players. he may turn out better but think the facts of what he has proven so far are far behind Theo's development Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 he may turn out better but think the facts of what he has proven so far are far behind Theo's development That means very little. Players develop and peak at different rates. Lee Holmes was wonder boy at 15. Ian Wright was playing non league at 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 how much did fabian delph go for? Awesome example of a player to SO should've stayed where he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin C Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 I think most people would take 10 mil. Anything over 4 mil I would take. We may not need to sale but if we are going to run the club as a business then I think we should take a large amount. I also believe if any play wants to go then they will go but all I ask is they do it the right way and not like the likes of Kenwyne Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 i think cortese will drive a hard bargain. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 (edited) Every player has his price and I'd sell at anything north of £4m for the lad. If £10m was offered I'd throw in Pulis as an added bonus. I am really glad that no-one on this board is responsible for negotiating transfers. You'd probably have sold Walcott for £500k because he was just a kid and any money for him would be a bonus. We don't need the money so why sell? If the "big" teams want him then they'll have to cough up. Its not what he's worth to us that counts in this negotiation - its what he's deemed to be worth to them. Edited 20 December, 2010 by St_Tel49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 i think cortese will drive a hard bargain. . . Have we actually sold a player since he's been in charge?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Have we actually sold a player since he's been in charge?? Yeah a few at the start. Rasiak was the biggest fee iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 arsenal wont spend £10m on a keeper that they desperately need...why on earth would that sort of money be spent on a player who has had a good half a league 1 season.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 (edited) Yeah a few at the start. Rasiak was the biggest fee iirc. was he in charge then?? I thought it was Andy Oldknow at the start. NC didn't become a director of SFC for quite a while or so i seem to remember.Interestingly I read somewhere today that AP referred to him sometime at the end of last season as the "acting chief exectutive". In passing heard a bit of interesting news today (although it goes back to Friday) Did you all know that David Jones has been appointed financial director at Plymouth Argyle?? Edited 20 December, 2010 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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