bowers-sfc Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 In the sun today, they have an artie in the sport by trevor brooking. It's all about the future England stars and there's a picture of him, and he goes in to say he's a good player. Seems to be known quite well, and it makes me worry more about January transfer window ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Are we seriously going to poo ourselves everytime we have a decent youngster who is recognised and admired around the nation? A huge part of our problem, and one of the reasons our fans annoy me so much, is we never seem to actually enjoy the good things about our team and are constantly looking to be more cynical about it all? A bad result and we need to sack managers, change tactics, drop players. A good youngster is recognised and held in high regard and we're selling him at the next opportunity. Remind me, when do you lot get to enjoy something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 As NC has said we do not need to sell any of our players, but if a player makes it clear he wants away or a club offers mega bucks then they will go. But IMO Oxo would be better off stay at St Marys and stick with the SFC revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 And the irony of the OP is that if Chamberlain wasn't in the list, someone else would have posted complaining about it and bemoaning the media campaign against us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon monkey Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 That is the nature of football fans and english people in general, they have very little optimism and seem to enjoy finding negative points in eveyerthing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 In the sun today, they have an artie in the sport by trevor brooking. It's all about the future England stars and there's a picture of him, and he goes in to say he's a good player. Seems to be known quite well, and it makes me worry more about January transfer window ... The big clubs will have been watching him carefully for a while now. Unfortunately it's not a case of if but when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 swings in round a bouts...we happily took the very good young players from other teams for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Are we seriously going to poo ourselves everytime we have a decent youngster who is recognised and admired around the nation? A huge part of our problem, and one of the reasons our fans annoy me so much, is we never seem to actually enjoy the good things about our team and are constantly looking to be more cynical about it all? A bad result and we need to sack managers, change tactics, drop players. A good youngster is recognised and held in high regard and we're selling him at the next opportunity. Remind me, when do you lot get to enjoy something? That's because we have a 'now' culture in the UK at the minute. Everyone demands instant success because that is what we see on the reality TV shows. Why work for a living when you can earn millions as a manufactured boy / girl band or play football. You don't even have to be a good footballer now to earn in excess of £1/4m per year. The reality is that we are on the cusp of somethig great here and the real enjoyment is being in on that at the very beginning. If you believe in the dream / vision then even the odd defeat won't bother you because you will not view it as a setback - just a lesson to learn from. 3 steps forward and one back should still get us promotion (although before all the bah humbugs chip in, I do acknowledge we need to strengthen the squad a tad). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 deal with it. His dad is already trawling around the training acadamies of the top clubs in England looking at the best options for his son. He dad is not particularly discreet as to who he talks to abotu his plans for his son. If he gets his way AOC will get a move in January to a top 4 club with a view to loaning him back to soton. That came from the horses mouth (well his dads anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Are we seriously going to poo ourselves everytime we have a decent youngster who is recognised and admired around the nation? A huge part of our problem, and one of the reasons our fans annoy me so much, is we never seem to actually enjoy the good things about our team and are constantly looking to be more cynical about it all? A bad result and we need to sack managers, change tactics, drop players. A good youngster is recognised and held in high regard and we're selling him at the next opportunity. Remind me, when do you lot get to enjoy something? spot on.... just read this place.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 When was the last time this club held on to a highly-rated youngster? I think most posters on here have more than enough reasons to be cynical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 deal with it. His dad is already trawling around the training acadamies of the top clubs in England looking at the best options for his son. He dad is not particularly discreet as to who he talks to abotu his plans for his son. If he gets his way AOC will get a move in January to a top 4 club with a view to loaning him back to soton. That came from the horses mouth (well his dads anyway). His dad has a talented footballer son and a talking horse? Some people just get all the luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Faz Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 When was the last time this club held on to a highly-rated youngster? I think most posters on here have more than enough reasons to be cynical. I think thats the point. We hardly got a glimpse of theo and bale before they were off. If AOC is good enough for top 4 then he will in time move, but January seems way to soon - he has hardly played a handful of games in league 1 . Would be nice to keep him for at least a season or two . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 In the sun today, they have an artie in the sport by trevor brooking. It's all about the future England stars and there's a picture of him, and he goes in to say he's a good player. Seems to be known quite well, and it makes me worry more about January transfer window ... I roundly mock your ignorance of professional football teams' scouting and intelligence networks. Do you seriously think that "because he's in The Sun" suddenly all the Prem teams, who've probably been monitoring him since he was 6 - if not before, are suddenly going to think they should sign him ? Most clubs have huge databases of players (even the rubbish cheapskate ones can use Football Manager) and this kid is the son of a former England international, FFS. You'll be telling me the son of Diego Maradona's daughter and Sergio Aguero is "a prospect" - but only when it's been in the News of the World - next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 I think thats the point. We hardly got a glimpse of theo and bale before they were off. If AOC is good enough for top 4 then he will in time move, but January seems way to soon - he has hardly played a handful of games in league 1 . Would be nice to keep him for at least a season or two . Unfortunately that is the problem with being outside the PL. Look at Fabian Delph, 40 odd games for Leeds over 3 years and as soon as he established himself in the first team all the PL clubs were sniffing around and he was gone. The top top youngesters like Walcott and Bale will always end up at one of the bigger clubs eventually but any talented youngester playing in the lower leagues will get picked up. Depsite people thinking a player would be better off staying here and playing first team football you are deluding yourself thinking if a top 4 club come in and offer £15k a week to play in the youth team and reserves and learn your trade off of international players then its going to turn any young players head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 When was the last time this club held on to a highly-rated youngster? I think most posters on here have more than enough reasons to be cynical. As a third division club, and even a CCC club, if a bigger club wants our players they will probably get them. Big fish eat little fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 As a third division club, and even a CCC club, if a bigger club wants our players they will probably get them. Big fish eat little fish. just like we did with the likes of.. blackstock mcgoldrick walcott prutton etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Let's face it, with the Premier League's economic situation over the past 5-10 years anyone who was worth having got hoovered up by the BorInG 4 anyway. They can only play 11 at a time but they can have endless underutilised talents who'd be better off playing elsewhere. Thankfully the 25 player squad regulations are giving everyone a couple of seasons of interest before the era of big clubs having already signed up anyone half decent under the age of 17 to protect themselves kicks in. I doubt the new UEFA finance regulations will be too damaging to the idea of just signing shedloads of youth prospects on the cheap to stop others having those players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Let's face it, with the Premier League's economic situation over the past 5-10 years anyone who was worth having got hoovered up by the BorInG 4 anyway. They can only play 11 at a time but they can have endless underutilised talents who'd be better off playing elsewhere. Thankfully the 25 player squad regulations are giving everyone a couple of seasons of interest before the era of big clubs having already signed up anyone half decent under the age of 17 to protect themselves kicks in. I doubt the new UEFA finance regulations will be too damaging to the idea of just signing shedloads of youth prospects on the cheap to stop others having those players. I see Liverpool have just signed up a 16 year old keeper from Millwall, young Turkish international apparently.The comment that goes with it on Liverpool's behalf is that "you have to sign up young talent at 16/17/18 to ensure the future is of the club. Big clubs now hoover up everything worth having at that age because if they don't someone will soon be asking them them to pay 5/10 million for the same player. In fact it's become a trap for young players, clubs are signing them to 4/5 year contracts at 17/18 and then demanding huge sums to let them move on to bigger clubs where they may flourish.It's a lesson to young players do not get ensnared by lower league clubs on long contracts because you may never get out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 just like we did with the likes of.. blackstock mcgoldrick walcott prutton etc etc I think the example of Prutton is rather different to the other 3, he was already an England U-21 international captain by the time we signed him, the others hadn't kicked a ball in competitive football and were all under 16 when Saints signed them, with varying degrees of potential. Walcott was eleven when he left Swindon (at least according to Wikipedia) to join Saints and he'd not been there 6 months anyway, that's hardly comparable to a lower league club selling a player with league experience to a top level side. Blackstock was about 16 and we paid Oxford a decent transfer fee, so his case is different again. You can't just say "big club signs player from little club" as if every situation is the same - we had a LOT more input into the development of Walcott than Blackstock (and Oxford were rewarded for that development), and practically none in the case of Prutton, which was just another transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 when was the last time this club held on to a highly-rated youngster? I think most posters on here have more than enough reasons to be cynical. mlt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 I see Liverpool have just signed up a 16 year old keeper from Millwall, young Turkish international apparently.The comment that goes with it on Liverpool's behalf is that "you have to sign up young talent at 16/17/18 to ensure the future is of the club. Big clubs now hoover up everything worth having at that age because if they don't someone will soon be asking them them to pay 5/10 million for the same player. In fact it's become a trap for young players, clubs are signing them to 4/5 year contracts at 17/18 and then demanding huge sums to let them move on to bigger clubs where they may flourish.It's a lesson to young players do not get ensnared by lower league clubs on long contracts because you may never get out of them. Either that or a lesson to let exactly that happen if the money is good enough for long enough... there's a balancing point somewhere in the freedom of contract/transfer market trade-off, to protect teams from losing assets for nothing that they've invested in, and also to prevent players becoming mercenary on a 6 monthly basis, but who knows exactly where it is ? I'm thinking of younger players though, if a player is a "free" squad member if they've been there long enough then all they'll do is sign all of them. It has already changed the nature of the transfer market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 just like we did with the likes of.. blackstock mcgoldrick walcott prutton etc etc Ummmmmmm .............Prutton ???????? can you elaborate on your point here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Just about every club is a selling club. No club can hang onto players, just higher up the easier it gets. Spurs are loaded. They are 5th in premiership and in champions league. All talk is about how they are struggling to hang onto Modric and Bale as they are playing well. We will lose players. It won't be chairmans or managers fault it because players move around!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Thing is, even if we were in the Prem we'd be losing our best players. If teams like Villa & Everton can't hold onto their players because they want to be paid more and have the 'prospect' of European football, what chance would we realistically have? Even when we were an established side in the Prem, finished 8th and got to the Cup Final - we still lost Bridge to Chelsea. It is just the order of the food-chain. We are just even lower down than we used to be. As an a-side point. These 'Top Predictions for the Future' rarely turn out that way. I remember years ago a lad called Steven Schumacher who was an Everton youngster was going to be running England's midfield - he's currently playing for Bury, having made most of his appearances for Bradford City. There must be countless other examples.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 just like we did with the likes of.. blackstock mcgoldrick walcott prutton etc etc David Prutton - Was released on a free by Saints. The others were all sold when the club needed money. The club no longer needs money from player sales and is spending money on bringing in players. If the current players see that the club is progressing and for the first time in 125 years the owners are investing in the club, they will be more likely to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 David Prutton - Was released on a free by Saints. The others were all sold when the club needed money. The club no longer needs money from player sales and is spending money on bringing in players. If the current players see that the club is progressing and for the first time in 125 years the owners are investing in the club, they will be more likely to stay. Although the club does seem to like making a maximum of money, £3 booking fee, parking charges....all these thing tend to indicate (well to me anyway) that we won't turn down a good offer for the lad...or anyone else for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 If the current players see that the club is progressing and for the first time in 125 years the owners are investing in the club, they will be more likely to stay. I disagree with that. Most youngsters these days, in my opinion, have their heads turned by the big boys, regardless of how amazing a club's structure is or will be in the future. Clubs like the big four are huge worldwide brands. It's not just the prestige of playing for a successful club, it's the breathtaking, and lucrative, opportunities that come with it. A lot of the young lads now are part of the Fifa generation - they'll go to a bigger club for the limitless marketing possibilities that will come their way. Look at Walcott, he appeared on the front cover of one of the most popular video games of all time, featured in countless adverts and got top-quality gear thrust upon him by Nike. This all becomes a massive part in moving to a big club and a lot of lads will not turn it down. It's not just about the club, it's becoming a star. They won't get that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Although the club does seem to like making a maximum of money, £3 booking fee, parking charges....all these thing tend to indicate (well to me anyway) that we won't turn down a good offer for the lad...or anyone else for that matter. You must be a terminal pessimist if you are comparing decisions to maximise commercial revenues from fans (justified or not depending on your opinion) with transfer policy relating to player value. NC has said repeatedly that we aren't a selling club i.e. we aren't funding new players by selling off higher value players. We may sell players if they agitate for a move, and AOC may be the next example of that, but it won't be a sale specifically designed to generate funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 You must be a terminal pessimist if you are comparing decisions to maximise commercial revenues from fans (justified or not depending on your opinion) with transfer policy relating to player value. NC has said repeatedly that we aren't a selling club i.e. we aren't funding new players by selling off higher value players. We may sell players if they agitate for a move, and AOC may be the next example of that, but it won't be a sale specifically designed to generate funds. Ah but if I was in they habit of gobbing everything that successive "chairmen" of this club had said I'd still be wondering where Wilde's investment was and why we sold Walcott,Bale and Kenwyne Jones or even why we didn't sign a striker in the summer. It's not pessimism, it's seen it all before!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Ah but if I was in they habit of gobbing everything that successive "chairmen" of this club had said I'd still be wondering where Wilde's investment was and why we sold Walcott,Bale and Kenwyne Jones or even why we didn't sign a striker in the summer. It's not pessimism, it's seen it all before!!! agree...seen it all before..but we will sell players. lallana and chambo may well be sold one day.. you have to accept that. but also accept that IF/WHEN they are sold it is for football reason (meaning they want to play higher than what saints can provide) and not financial reasons (in that we have to sell to balance the books) please dont bleat and cry foul of t he chairman when the obvious happens at some point in the future..(i dont hold much hope on that one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Ah but if I was in they habit of gobbing everything that successive "chairmen" of this club had said I'd still be wondering where Wilde's investment was and why we sold Walcott,Bale and Kenwyne Jones. It's not pessimism, it's seen it all before!!! Walcott, Bale and Jones were all sold when the club was on a downward spiral desperately trying to delay/avoid administration and didn't have a rich backer to support the clubs ambitions. By the time Chamberlain is 19 years old he could (in theory) be a Premier League player with Saints and still have most of his career ahead of him after playing regularly for Saints for 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 agree...seen it all before..but we will sell players. lallana and chambo may well be sold one day.. you have to accept that. but also accept that IF/WHEN they are sold it is for football reason (meaning they want to play higher than what saints can provide) and not financial reasons (in that we have to sell to balance the books) please dont bleat and cry foul of t he chairman when the obvious happens at some point in the future..(i dont hold much hope on that one) I shall not bleat, I promise, I expect players to be sold because we are in one of the shîttest leagues in football. If I was any good and in League 1 I'd want to "be all I can be" as well.As for chairmen, I don't believe any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 I shall not bleat, I promise, I expect players to be sold because we are in one of the shîttest leagues in football. If I was any good and in League 1 I'd want to "be all I can be" as well.As for chairmen, I don't believe any of them. fair doos...you just know this place will be awash with people slating NC for allowing chamno or adam or anyone leaving to a higher level... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Newcastle worried about losing Carroll, Bolton - Cahill, Arsenal - Denhilson, Everton - Baines, Liverpool - Johnson, Spurs - Modric All just from yesterday - get used to it we will have players leaving us! Never got over Danny Wallace going with his best years ahead of him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Walcott, Bale and Jones were all sold when the club was on a downward spiral desperately trying to delay/avoid administration and didn't have a rich backer to support the clubs ambitions. By the time Chamberlain is 19 years old he could (in theory) be a Premier League player with Saints and still have most of his career ahead of him after playing regularly for Saints for 2 seasons. If you seriously think any player will turn down a move to the premier league now because there is a small chance they might be in a the premier league in 2 years time with a current midtable league one side, you are mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 also..we seems we need to accept lallana (who I think is a brilliant player for us) is leaving at the end of the season should we not get promoted.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 The fact Brooking has complimented Chamberlain's ability and talent is nothing but a positive for me; Brooking knows what he's on about. For the time being Chamberlain is a Saints player, let's enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 also..we seems we need to accept lallana (who I think is a brilliant player for us) is leaving at the end of the season should we not get promoted.. Yes Jamie, i quite agree. Also add Fonte to this if he doesn't go in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Yes Jamie, i quite agree. Also add Fonte to this if he doesn't go in January. how do you know my name..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 how do you know my name..? I have know it for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 I have know it for ages. I know it too, its been mentioned on the boards loads. Its an alright name - better than Tristram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 All this talk about Chamberlain is great but where are Brookings Babes? I was expecting to see some East End luvlies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Terrified of losing a player who has played for just a few months. He's very good, but at our level, easily replaced. He'll only go for a silly price. Why would he go cheap when we don't need or want to sell? Just to clarify - producing a talented young player people want to sign is a GOOD thing regardless of league level. Good point. We would never have survived in the top flight as long as we did without some of our youngsters going for silly money. NC will tell us the strategy is different now and that we do not have to sell but if a player insists on going we still have a good return on the investment. Use the money wisely to steadily improve our position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 22 December, 2010 Share Posted 22 December, 2010 Are we seriously going to poo ourselves everytime we have a decent youngster who is recognised and admired around the nation? A huge part of our problem, and one of the reasons our fans annoy me so much, is we never seem to actually enjoy the good things about our team and are constantly looking to be more cynical about it all? A bad result and we need to sack managers, change tactics, drop players. A good youngster is recognised and held in high regard and we're selling him at the next opportunity. Remind me, when do you lot get to enjoy something? Quite clearly, you know naff all about football fans... in general not just us lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now