Roger Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Does anyone know if morgans fit for tuesday? If he is what would youre middle 2 be? For me would be in this order: 1. Morgan, His performance vs man utd was awesome and without him as proved last week we dont retain ball as no one is gifted enough other than lallana. Doesnt score goals but thats not his job. His range of passing is fab. 2. Chaplow- Scores goals and breaks beyond the defenders. Something we have missed for a long time, since the likes of maddison probably. Only prob is he gets booked every game at mo. 3. Hammond-Not my fav player but I will say hes improved this season since nov. Too slow for me but good to have around and did make gaol at exeter and posh. Without morgan we struggled with ball retention and posh and at home to 10 man carlisle. I feel he needs to be recalled if fit. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Love them all, but I agree with your order. 1. Morgan 2. Chappy 3. Deano. Can't understand how some people don't rate Schneiderlin, he's a class act, always has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon monkey Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Dean Hammond will be first choice centre midfield, he is the captain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Dean Hammond will be first choice centre midfield, he is the captain But we can change tht and have before under adkins. Do you think morgan is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Morgan is quality but still too inconsistent - not really his fault though, don't forget he's still only 21! Hammond is much more effective than some people seem to think and for me him and Chaplow should be first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Morgan is quality but still too inconsistent - not really his fault though, don't forget he's still only 21! Hammond is much more effective than some people seem to think and for me him and Chaplow should be first choice. The only thing I would say to that is how much of the ball did we have at posh or last week vs carlisle? We couldnt retain it. They both work hard but havent got the ability to hold onto the ball and keep it. One of them for me with morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAZZA 92 Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 If we play the diamond Morgan should play but if we play a flat 4 in the midfield hammond and chaplow should play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 The only thing I would say to that is how much of the ball did we have at posh or last week vs carlisle? We couldnt retain it. They both work hard but havent got the ability to hold onto the ball and keep it. One of them for me with morgan. Last two league games without Morgan; V Carlisle 55% possession V Posh 49% Last two league games with Morgan; V Exeter 50% V Tranmere 47% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Last two league games without Morgan; V Carlisle 55% possession V Posh 49% Last two league games with Morgan; V Exeter 50% V Tranmere 47% Quality possesion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Quality possesion? Changing the goalposts already? As I said, Morgan is a great player but still a bit inconsistent. Hammond for me is very underrated by our fan base just because we expected him to be a goalscoring CM when he signed, and he hasn't really done it like Chappers has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Changing the goalposts already? As I said, Morgan is a great player but still a bit inconsistent. Hammond for me is very underrated by our fan base just because we expected him to be a goalscoring CM when he signed, and he hasn't really done it like Chappers has. I just feel that morgan is better than the other 2. I feel that was evident vs man utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 It's wrong to say we didn't retain the ball against Carlisle. Just nonsense. Hammond played as the playmaker and was excellent. If we're playing a 4 across the middle then Hammond and Chaplow are by far the best pairing. If it's a diamond or a three then Schneiderlin can have more of a defined role and that is when he plays best. When he is one of two he is far less effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 I just feel that morgan is better than the other 2. I feel that was evident vs man utd. He had a good game but then Prutton had a really good game in the Prem once against Liverpool's first team when they were good (which was a much stronger team than Man U had out - that starting 11 would be in a relegation battle). It doesn't mean Prutton is a better choice than any of our current three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2011 It's wrong to say we didn't retain the ball against Carlisle. Just nonsense. Hammond played as the playmaker and was excellent. If we're playing a 4 across the middle then Hammond and Chaplow are by far the best pairing. If it's a diamond or a three then Schneiderlin can have more of a defined role and that is when he plays best. When he is one of two he is far less effective. I really dont agree im sorry. Lately he has been playing deeper in the midfield 4. I know what youre saying though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2011 He had a good game but then Prutton had a really good game in the Prem once against Liverpool's first team when they were good (which was a much stronger team than Man U had out - that starting 11 would be in a relegation battle). It doesn't mean Prutton is a better choice than any of our current three. No but its also clear that morgan has far better technical ability than prutton imo. Im thinking aswell of prutts miss at wba away. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Roger roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 No but its also clear that morgan has far better technical ability than prutton imo. Im thinking aswell of prutts miss at wba away. lol And how many times has Morgan sliced a shot? The game Benjii was referring to Prutton scored with a lovely finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 It's horses for courses, the days of a fixed first eleven playing in fixed positions are long gone, that's why the managerial skill of using the squad is so crucial, reckon Adkins is doing it ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2011 And how many times has Morgan sliced a shot? The game Benjii was referring to Prutton scored with a lovely finish. I know then got banned for ages for pushing ref over against arsenal. To be fair he did have a great game vs pool though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2011 It's horses for courses, the days of a fixed first eleven playing in fixed positions are long gone, that's why the managerial skill of using the squad is so crucial, reckon Adkins is doing it ok I agree mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 That miss against West Brom still does my head in! Grr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Hammond and Chaplow are arguably the most effective partnership against the majority of league 1 teams, particularly away from home. Morgan is the best player of the three but it says a lot about him that he controlled the midfield against Man Utd, but struggled against Tranmere. He will be awesome if/when we go up an play against better footballing teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Love them all, but I agree with your order. 1. Morgan 2. Chappy 3. Deano. Can't understand how some people don't rate Schneiderlin, he's a class act, always has been. Dean Hammond will be first choice centre midfield, he is the captain agree with both of these. Hammond has played very well recently though. Think they will all get decent look in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Morgan and Chaplow. Everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Aren't we lucky to be able to be having this discussion? Any combination of two from three is a quality spine to our midfield...there will be some games when different pairings will work better. If Morgan could add goals to his game he'd be even better...and take the Chappers role alongside Deano if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Hammond and Chaplow are arguably the most effective partnership against the majority of league 1 teams, particularly away from home. Morgan is the best player of the three but it says a lot about him that he controlled the midfield against Man Utd, but struggled against Tranmere. He will be awesome if/when we go up an play against better footballing teams This says all that needs to be said on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelkel31 Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 morgan is as unsuited to L1 as he was too young for the championship when we were there. for me at home its morgan and chaplow at home every time and away from home will depend on the opposition and pitch as too whether you play morgan or hammond either way in L1 we have all to often struggle to control the middle of the pitch and is probably the most important area of the team to improve with a loan signing, gobern as backup is really poor quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 21 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2011 morgan is as unsuited to L1 as he was too young for the championship when we were there. for me at home its morgan and chaplow at home every time and away from home will depend on the opposition and pitch as too whether you play morgan or hammond either way in L1 we have all to often struggle to control the middle of the pitch and is probably the most important area of the team to improve with a loan signing, gobern as backup is really poor quality. I think left back and cb are just as important. Dont think harding or dickson are good enough and seaborne at cb. In midfield fell we need someone like a ryan harley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Morgan and Chaplow. Chaplow's workrate and endeavour offer a perfect foil for Morgan, it gives him far more time to use and distribute the ball while Chaplow does the water carrying. Chaplow can also chip in well with a few goals. Chappy reads the game far better then Hamster who often lets the action pass him by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 21 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Morgan and Chaplow. Chaplow's workrate and endeavour offer a perfect foil for Morgan, it gives him far more time to use and distribute the ball while Chaplow does the water carrying. Chaplow can also chip in well with a few goals. Chappy reads the game far better then Hamster who often lets the action pass him by. Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Hammond and Chaplow are arguably the most effective partnership against the majority of league 1 teams, particularly away from home. Morgan is the best player of the three but it says a lot about him that he controlled the midfield against Man Utd, but struggled against Tranmere. He will be awesome if/when we go up an play against better footballing teams Similar to my thoughts in that I too think our best pairing is Chaplow (making the forward runs) and Hammond (anchoring the play). Technically, I think Schneiderlin is superior to both of them (but does go missing, head can drop etc), but just think in this division we need a bit of rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Agree. It's certainly my feeling that Morgan has become far more prevalent in the good things we are doing since Chaplow has arrived. Him and Hammond just never looked comfortable as a pairing to me, even when we were at our best last year the central midfield position never seemed to be our creative outlet, it was always the wings or Rickie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Him and Hammond just never looked comfortable as a pairing to me. Have to agree on that one, just too similar???? I think the question seems to be, who should partner Chaplow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Have to agree on that one, just too similar???? I think the question seems to be, who should partner Chaplow? My feelings have already been made clear on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 And how many times has Morgan sliced a shot? The game Benjii was referring to Prutton scored with a lovely finish. It is quite a nice conundrum to have. They each bring different qualities to the job. For me Schneiderland is by the far the best at holding the ball under pressure and getting the ball away. His distribution is best of the three as well. Weakness? - his shooting is woeful. He really should be scoring 10 a season. Chaplow is good at getting into the box and scores goals but I think is defensively suspect because his tackling is reckless at times. Dean Hammond kind of combines the characteristics of the other except for not being quite as good at each of the things the other two are good at (Still a fine player though). MS is probably the one to hit greater heights eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Hammond and Chaplow for me.....As stated there is a time and game for Spiderman. Agree horses for courses and hopefully Nigel will get it right more often than not.. Spiderman will be more suited to the higher divisions when we get there and if he is still with us... But then again ..we may be surprised when all hands are called to the pumps during our run in... Bring back Jimmy Melia.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Scheiderlin and Chaplow for me but Schneiderlin has been inconsistent. He was showing his best form ever just before he was injured so would ease him back in. There's room for all three to play a part in every game to be honest. Also, did I see somewhere we have Arvid Smit (PSV Eindhoven) on trial with us this week - could give us even more options in the middle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Forget that about Smit - I think it is an old article coming up on google with a Feb 2011 date for some reason.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Scheiderlin and Chaplow for me but Schneiderlin has been inconsistent. He was showing his best form ever just before he was injured so would ease him back in. There's room for all three to play a part in every game to be honest. Also, did I see somewhere we have Arvid Smit (PSV Eindhoven) on trial with us this week - could give us even more options in the middle! Hasn't played for PSV for a long time though, he's been hanging about in Saudi for a while, before that the usual Greek/Turkish circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Have to agree on that one, just too similar???? I think the question seems to be, who should partner Chaplow? You don't want two anchors, nor two box to box players in a 4-4-2 formation. That is very much why we struggled in CM before Chaplow came on the scene. All players have natural tendencies which you can't coach out of them. I therefore agree wholeheartedly: It's Chaplow all the time and then a choice between the other two. Personally I think Hammond adds more command on the pitch, although Morgan is more skilful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Mabes Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 I like them all. I'd be happy to rotate them a little - Chaplow and Hammond away from home for a little more bite, Morgan and Chaplow at home perhaps. Nice having quality options though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K,Billy's supersound Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 only one way to find out. FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 only one way to find out. FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. there you go mate reckon Hammond would win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybeal Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 In my opinion Schneiderlin and Morgan would be a better combination than Dean and Hammond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Morgan and Chappers all the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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