david in sweden Posted 24 April, 2011 Share Posted 24 April, 2011 (edited) one of NAs many recent comments was.. that when he came to the club we were 22nd in L1. ..and you know what ...we were. Looking back I noted the following; NOTE; L. Orient were 23rd. AP "departed" after 3 league games and it was gaame 6 before Nigel took charge.... game 6; 0-2 MKDons (a) we were 22nd, and the climb was s-l-o-w........ after; .............................................. and the top 6 were............ game 12 : 0-2 Huddf'd (a) upto 15th. Brighton, P'boro, Bournemth, Sh.Wed.Hudd, Carlisle game 18 : 0-0 Brighton (h) now 7th. Brighton, Charlton, Brnemth, Sh.Wed.Hudd, Colch. game 24 : 0-0 Notts.C. (h) went 3rd. Brighton, Hudd, SAINTS, Brnmth, Peterboro,MKDons game 30 : 4-1 Swindon (h) were 5th Brighton, Brnm'th, Hudd, Peterb'o, SAINTS, MKDons NOTE; In all this time L.Orient has also improve greatly and have an outside chance of a play-off spot, but with SAINTS...now sitting in 2nd place, it's easy to criticise those past games where we dropped points but we have to say that this far .. Nigel Adkins has done a fantastic job..and the best is yet to come. Edited 24 April, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 24 April, 2011 Share Posted 24 April, 2011 Did you think he was lying then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 April, 2011 Did you think he was lying then? NO !..but it did seem a very long time ago, and I sort of forgot how far we'd come since he came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 April, 2011 Share Posted 24 April, 2011 but the players dont play for him he is average and not doing anything that great he has not idea tactically with the diamond we dont play well cortese has his P45 ready blah blah blah from 22nd in the league to touching distance of the NPC is a great achivement..no matter what you say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 24 April, 2011 Share Posted 24 April, 2011 According to the Brighton fans, the font of all footballing, worldly and cosmic knowledge, Poyet would have had us promoted by Xmas. They rate him (Adkins) 0/10, John Still at Daggers 2/10 and Poyet 10/10 for management skills. Don't listen to anyone else, they KNOW the real truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 April, 2011 According to the Brighton fans, the font of all footballing, worldly and cosmic knowledge, Poyet would have had us promoted by Xmas. They rate him (Adkins) 0/10, John Still at Daggers 2/10 and Poyet 10/10 for management skills. Don't listen to anyone else, they KNOW the real truth. well thanks Crab Lungs, that explains everything... except why Brighton lost yesterday when they are the greatest team on the south Coast..(not my words). I still rate Nigel Adkins as an inspirational manager . After all I can remember Ian Branfoot ..now there was a manager as smart as any TWO England managers..'cos he didn't want to play MLT either !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 Considering the turnaround should Nigel get L1 manager of the year over Gus? Eddie Howe could have been in the pot too, I'm really glad he moved on as he wS doing an amazing job down there and they woe have been a massive hurdle to overcome. As results have shown, their rise was all down to him but the record books won't show it; just a L2 promotion thus far sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 Considering the turnaround should Nigel get L1 manager of the year over Gus? Eddie Howe could have been in the pot too, I'm really glad he moved on as he wS doing an amazing job down there and they woe have been a massive hurdle to overcome. As results have shown, their rise was all down to him but the record books won't show it; just a L2 promotion thus far sadly. He's still on for a Champ promotion this season though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 On the face of it, it's a great achievement. But it's a bit misleading because it was very early in the season and there wasn't that much ground to make up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 According to the Brighton fans, the font of all footballing, worldly and cosmic knowledge, Poyet would have had us promoted by Xmas. They rate him (Adkins) 0/10, John Still at Daggers 2/10 and Poyet 10/10 for management skills. Don't listen to anyone else, they KNOW the real truth. Time to move on Crab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN MY DAY Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 He's done a fantastic job and he's given us something we have been lacking for a while and thats a winning mentality, not a survival mentality because we are The Saints after all, but he's produced a never say die, one dressing room team. Well done Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 Well done to Adkins but we expected to be challenging for promotion this season didn't we? We started with minus 10 last year were not far off the play offs at the end and won a cup. Adkins has bulit on what Pardew acheived in one season but he hasn't finished the job yet and there is still next season to come. I am not convinced by the players he has brought in and, given that we will go up this season, next season will be a true measure of the man. But for now he is doing what we pay him to do and I hope he manages to pull off 2nd spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 He's done a fantastic job and he's given us something we have been lacking for a while and thats a winning mentality, not a survival mentality because we are The Saints after all, but he's produced a never say die, one dressing room team. Well done Nigel Didn't we have that last season too? Perhaps not to the same extent but Pardew said his job was to turn the losing mentality around and he went a long way towards that by winning a trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 Time to move on Crab? Yeah, I think so now. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 Best match day manager since Hoddle. Seems to have excellent team spirit. Limited to judge signings but seems good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 Well done to Adkins but we expected to be challenging for promotion this season didn't we? We started with minus 10 last year were not far off the play offs at the end and won a cup. Adkins has bulit on what Pardew acheived in one season but he hasn't finished the job yet and there is still next season to come. I am not convinced by the players he has brought in and, given that we will go up this season, next season will be a true measure of the man. But for now he is doing what we pay him to do and I hope he manages to pull off 2nd spot. A decent sensible and measured post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 I think Nigel deserves his praise he gets hes won me over but this promotion once its happened have to get 7 points from 3 games to secure it, we should thank Pards as well for his help and the 2 people at the top NC AND ML. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 He's a top manager with the nous to get out of this league, as he's shown before, and I strongly think he may be about to have another promotion on his CV. Get this job done, and I'll be interested to see how we fare next season. With the managerial merry-go-round we've all experienced in the last fifteen years or so, it'd be lovely to have a long serving manager at the helm, and with the club heading in the right direction, I think Adkins will be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 One thing I do like about him is his willingness to change formation and personnel if it's not working. So many managers stick to plan A at all costs - two of our better (and my favourite) managers - WGS & Pardew were both guilty of this one. But several times this season he has conspicuously & successfully turned things about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Well done to Adkins but we expected to be challenging for promotion this season didn't we? We started with minus 10 last year were not far off the play offs at the end and won a cup. Adkins has bulit on what Pardew acheived in one season but he hasn't finished the job yet and there is still next season to come. I am not convinced by the players he has brought in and, given that we will go up this season, next season will be a true measure of the man. But for now he is doing what we pay him to do and I hope he manages to pull off 2nd spot. well I agree with most of this but...you don't seem very convinced about the pedigree of the newcomers..? Of course Puncheon will go ...and it seems that Dale Stephens (from Oldham) is one of the best midfielders in L1 (given that NA says Lallana is the best) ..and DS had scored 10 goals before arriving. Chaplow lacks a little consistancy, but not effort surely. NA knows Forte's potential (from Scunny) and let's face it - he's worth the move if only for his 2 goals Sub app. v. MK Dons. N'Guessan is only a loan and I don't expect him to stay. We will certainly buy more in going up to CCC, but I can't fault the other buys much . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 NA knows how to get teams promoted from this league. No disrespect to Scunny, but if he can get them promoted twice into the Championship, he can definitely get us promoted once. He done some great business at Scunny, including finding the striker Hooper (now at Celtic) However, if we do go up, this summer will test him like he's never been tested before. He's never had a decent sized cheque book as a manager, so we have no idea whether he will waste the cash on average players, or find the buys that will take us back to the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 well I agree with most of this but...you don't seem very convinced about the pedigree of the newcomers..? Of course Puncheon will go ...and it seems that Dale Stephens (from Oldham) is one of the best midfielders in L1 (given that NA says Lallana is the best) ..and DS had scored 10 goals before arriving. Chaplow lacks a little consistancy, but not effort surely. NA knows Forte's potential (from Scunny) and let's face it - he's worth the move if only for his 2 goals Sub app. v. MK Dons. N'Guessan is only a loan and I don't expect him to stay. We will certainly buy more in going up to CCC, but I can't fault the other buys much . I think I was expecting a bit more from the last window David. Don't have a problem with Chaplow as we knew about him from before. Not seen much of Stephens to be fair. It was more Forte and N'Guessan that I have not been impressed with. I think Pardew brought in more class and we shall certainly need some better players after promorion if we are going to make an impact in the CCC. Looks like we have lost out on Danns to Hull which is a shame. I think we pretty much expected promotion this season whoever the manager was. Assuming we do go up of course, a lot more will be expected of Nigel in the close season and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 I think I was expecting a bit more from the last window David. Don't have a problem with Chaplow as we knew about him from before. Not seen much of Stephens to be fair. It was more Forte and N'Guessan that I have not been impressed with. I think Pardew brought in more class and we shall certainly need some better players after promorion if we are going to make an impact in the CCC. Looks like we have lost out on Danns to Hull which is a shame. I think we pretty much expected promotion this season whoever the manager was. Assuming we do go up of course, a lot more will be expected of Nigel in the close season and beyond. From where we stand now, I think we should give more credence to the many utterances from the club about the last Window. OK we did not make major signings. BUT the word was that we did try for polayers but their clubs wanted stupid money for them (no doubt aided by the AOC rumours) Many on here demanded Charlie Austin or CMS but for whatever reasons they were not available to us. So we ended up with temporary squad members. We may have been lucky to have got a great run out of LB &the emergence of DC from the treatment room, so it IS fair to say that for THIS season we haven't needed more than we got. (OK for sure our bums are still squeaky but our record since January is pretty fecking good and we don't get extra points for more goals) So NOW we should be able to go into a season in the NPC with the likes of Forte & N'Guessan having been assesed in our own environment as to whether they can make the grade OR we can simply send them back and BUY better replacements for a better job. Hell, for all we know in June, Adebayor, Drogba & Gerrard may all be looking to take a spell in the NPC on loan so would have been stupid to sign players that made our L1 team stronger when it already (seemed) good enough. It comes down to the fact that many fans do not TRUST the club still. It's why I think the Sash shirt is so important as it really shows that things have changed. We have 3 games to go and need to win 2 of them. In the games since the end of the window from my quick maths we have dropped ONLY 12 points out of a total of 54. That's a pretty fecking good number, would we REALLY have got value for a 4mil player? Would that have affected the Team dynamic which has been so important of late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 I don't think we borrowed Forte, but gave him a 4,5 year contract. It's N'Guessan who will no doubt go back home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 I don't think we borrowed Forte, but gave him a 4,5 year contract. It's N'Guessan who will no doubt go back home. Forte signed for 3 1/2 years I think, N'Guessan and Stephens (Dale) are only on loan. Musn't forget the other Stephens though who we signed from Plymouth,we'll have to see how he looks when he plays for us, no doubt in pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2011 (edited) I think I was expecting a bit more from the last window David. Don't have a problem with Chaplow as we knew about him from before. Not seen much of Stephens to be fair. It was more Forte and N'Guessan that I have not been impressed with. I think Pardew brought in more class and we shall certainly need some better players after promorion if we are going to make an impact in the CCC. Looks like we have lost out on Danns to Hull which is a shame. I think we pretty much expected promotion this season whoever the manager was. Assuming we do go up of course, a lot more will be expected of Nigel in the close season and beyond. Oh I'm definitely looking at signings for CCC. With the impetus (and the funding) we should have I'm expecting us to "do a Norwich" and challenge for the Prem. next season. (assuming the obvious of course). WHO ? Kelvin is still a class act (in L1) and of course goalies can go on longer than outfielders, but if the worse comes to the worst, I wonder if Bart is the real article ? IF not another back-up (no I'm not expecting revelations from Forecast, either ). I'm happy with all the defence (as a squad) and we've played all EIGHT of then in various combinations this season. Jaidi seems to have a short shelf life now, but I still think he'd be good to have another season, (when does his contract go out) ? ...but we must get another (type Jaidi) 6'4" , mobile, uncompromising centre back whose built like a brick outhouse, and who can tackle in the box without giving away penalties all season. Even if (as I expect) AOC goes, we still have some very creative midfielders to play alongside Lallana but I'd like to see us get a good DEFENSIVE midfielder who can dish it out, too. Memories of Jimmy Gabriel, Hughie Fisher and Chris Marsden. I do have concerns about the front line. Thankfully , we've had two, almost injury-free seasons from Ricky Lambert (and hopefully two more, but at 29 his days are surel numbered - if we're talking in terms of the Premiership...in 2013/14.) Lee Barnard is the sort of striker who could still be with us in 5 years time , if he has a GET OUT OF JAIL card when he passes GO. (sorry bad joke, but everyone knows what it means.) Without Lee (and /or Ricky), we must have more TWO good, experienced strikers to give us some options. I know Guly can play midfield role and sometime striker but he's not born to the role - is he? I like Connolly - but if only he can stay injury-free - I'd sign him for another 2 years and he'd pay for himself in goals. Back in the days of Beattie and Co, 2002 or was it 2003..? we had FIVE front line strikers who were all injured at the same time in January. The ( then) new signing Brett Ormerod volunteered to play even though he had a stomach problem at the time - we had no options). If we go 3 or 4 games without scoring, it could be decisive. We might not win every game, but we must score every game to keep momentum. So for me ; an extra goalie, ONLY if we see cracks in the facade. No panic to get the right (who better than Nigel to know who ...?) another central defender; type Jaidi / Fonte (unless Seabourne or Martin matures enough in the close season). A defensive minded midfielder, and here I would get an experienced, older player around 30-ish, (type Bellamy, Scholes) to cement the midfield - though I have nothing against Chaplow / Stephens and Hammond except ..their " relative " youth and lack of CCC track record. Again ... a couple of them might take big strides by next Autumn, but they may need encouragement from "a n older head ". (Remember the "wow" effect of having Alan Ball coming into the side in the late 70's ?..and Jimmy Case some years later.) How about TWO, ex Prem, former international strikers who know their way around the Premiership, but can't get a regular spot with any of the top six, but nevertheless would get bucketloads of goals in CCC. (Can't give you any names today but I'm sure they exist.) Lawrie's big "coup" may have been signing KK, but I thought the appearance of Boyer and Mac Dougall in the team was fantastic at the time, and later with Worthington and Jordan (though they weren't great scorers), the impact of their presence was noticeable on the rest of the squad. Edited 26 April, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2011 From where we stand now, I think we should give more credence to the many utterances from the club about the last Window. ..... would we REALLY have got value for a 4mil player? Would that have affected the Team dynamic which has been so important of late? I for one would have liked another signing in the (prev.) window, but certainly not one for £4 million, as I think his skills would have been wasted trying to play good football on some of the ploughed fields at L1 grounds and getting kicked half to death by some of the stonewall defending we've seen from some L1 backlines. I wanted another striker..partly as cover, because the latest turn in the Barnard saga hasn't helped (thank goodness Connolly was back). As it was ...who could have forseen we'd have FOUR midfielders out at the same time ? Stephens maybe in NAs long term planning, it was good we could get him on loan when we did. Hopefully the squad will last to the final game, it will have been enough, but I'm glad we don't have another 6 weeks to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Here is the key to Nigel's great success so far: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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