itchen_dan Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 (edited) http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2364123,00.html Full Retained / Released List: Signed New Deal: Radhi Jaidi - 1 year Contract Automatically Renewed: Danny Butterfield - 1 Year Aaron Martin - 1 Year Dan Harding - 1 Year To Discuss New Contract: David Connolly Oscar Gobern Released: Anthony Pulis Sam Argent Tony Garrod Callum McNish Ryan Tafazolli Edited 20 May, 2011 by itchen_dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 How will we cope without Pulis showing the youth how to go on the ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Jeweller Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 Not a good week for the Pulis family then!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 No shocks in the retained list. I guess any debate will centre around whether or not Gobern and Connolly manage to agree new deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 Good news about Harding, my favourite player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 shame when younger players don't make it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughnutman Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 At last we're finally rid of Pulis, just Forecast to jettison now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 Shame about McNish, he looked like he might break through under Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughnutman Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 But very glad with the renewals, shame about the youth players though weren't Tafazolli, McNish and Argent highly rated though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 Did Anthony Pulis ever really exist? I think he was a tax dodge invented by the bean counters and his write-down value is now zero, so he just disappears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 No complaints there. I'm really beginning to think we wont see much transfer action this summer. Two players possibly, but two very good one's I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 So Harding's contract was automatically renewed and not up for discussion- would have used this opportunity to tie him down to a longer deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 , just Forecast to jettison now! why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 But no contract termination for Forecast? Too costly or Adkins rates him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 Would have preferred longer contracts for Martin and Harding to be honest, but other than that perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 So the club is going to make offers to Connolly and Gobern which they may or may not accept? In other words, the ball will be in their court? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 So the club is going to make offers to Connolly and Gobern which they may or may not accept? Yep. If they didn't want to keep them, they would have just been released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 Yep. If they didn't want to keep them, they would have just been released. Gotcha - potentially great news then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 So the club is going to make offers to Connolly and Gobern which they may or may not accept? In other words, the ball will be in their court? Suspect Connolly will have been offered some sort of pay as you play deal, which may or may not be acceptable to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 think we need to offer Gobbern a contract to get a fee if he goes elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 Good to see we're keeping a lot of the squad together, this'll be the 3rd year with most of the squad playing together. Can only be a good thing. Shame to see some of the young'uns getting released, but they're all good players and will be snapped up in no time. No more Pulis either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir woody Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 At last we're finally rid of Pulis, just Forecast to jettison now! My thoughts exactly !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 Would have preferred longer contracts for Martin and Harding to be honest, but other than that perfect. If Saints were to do a Norwich they may not be needed long term so no point burdening the club with long contracts ala Forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 are there better 3rd choice keepers in league 1? how much is he paid? Is it more than other keepers? never met him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 If Saints were to do a Norwich they may not be needed long term so no point burdening the club with long contracts ala Forecast. Except should we get promoted next season players like Harding would be in demand and we could get a decent fee for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 the one year automatic extension would not prevent further discussions about improved contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 think we need to offer Gobern a contract to get a fee if he goes elsewhere Yep, he's only 20 so as he's under 24 if we offer him a contract equal to his previous deal and he chooses not to sign it, we get a tribunal-decided fee when he signs for somewhere else, which is intended as compensation for our development costs in training the player from youth. Just like we did with Leon Best when he went to Coventry. I think the only thing worth discussing from the list is the trigger points for the automatic renewals - I'm assuming that Harding, Butterfield and Martin either had promotion clauses giving them an extra year, or they hit a certain number of appearances. If that's the case I would imagine Martin's figure was quite low... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 All the automatic renewals are nice and sensible, im not hardings biggest fan but an automatic extension says more than enough (I assume Martin only needed a few appearances which was made up a bit at the start of the season anyway). Butterfield is the best news there! Hope we get something sensible agreed with Connelly like Jaidi have really shown a bit of experience and maturity to overall pay off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 Yep, he's only 20 so as he's under 24 if we offer him a contract equal to his previous deal and he chooses not to sign it, we get a tribunal-decided fee when he signs for somewhere else, which is intended as compensation for our development costs in training the player from youth. Just like we did with Leon Best when he went to Coventry. I think the only thing worth discussing from the list is the trigger points for the automatic renewals - I'm assuming that Harding, Butterfield and Martin either had promotion clauses giving them an extra year, or they hit a certain number of appearances. If that's the case I would imagine Martin's figure was quite low... Appearances Martin 12 Butterfield 37 Harding 43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 with all these renewals and few likely to leave it means there is going to be very little turnover of players. A settled squad is going to help us, but I can't half think that we need to sign two or three that really are going to improve us. But where are we short on bodies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 keeps getting better and better - we'd do well to sign that young Connolly for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Looks like a sensible list. I suspect that there will be more coming in at youth level as we strengthen that group to provide us the players for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanH Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 I read on a thread, maybe the Saints player awards thread,that Butterfield's was renewed as he played 25 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Happy with all of that Harding and Butterfield especially Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 No complaints there. I'm really beginning to think we wont see much transfer action this summer. Two players possibly, but two very good one's I hope. What makes you say that, about a lack of activity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 I can see Martin going out in loan for part of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 add to that list Nguessen (spl) and Stevens loans finishing. Room for a few more I would suggest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made in Southampton Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Surprised to see Calum McNish on the released list. I remember seeing him on soccer am doing that skillz school thingy and the boy had obvious talent. I understand that skill is not everything but it's just a shame to see any young player not make it. Anyone know the reason why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 I can see Martin going out in loan for part of the season he needs a full season in league 1 otherwise he's just not going to get enough games to improve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 What makes you say that, about a lack of activity? Just by looking at the squad we are quite deep in numbers in all areas. Only really light in CM & CF, but even they wouldn't be that light if Gobern and Connolly sign on. Think at most we'll get a new CB, CM & CF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Surprised to see Calum McNish on the released list. I remember seeing him on soccer am doing that skillz school thingy and the boy had obvious talent. I understand that skill is not everything but it's just a shame to see any young player not make it. Anyone know the reason why? if his brief showing in the first team were anything to go by he looked like David McGoaldraught, only less busy if that is at all possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Just by looking at the squad we are quite deep in numbers in all areas. Only really light in CM & CF, but even they wouldn't be that light if Gobern and Connolly sign on. Think at most we'll get a new CB, CM & CF. Is Guly going to be regarded as our cover right midfield? I know he scored some vital goals from that position, but boy did he look uncomfortable out there at times and defensively he was woeful IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Did Anthony Pulis ever really exist? I think he was a tax dodge invented by the bean counters and his write-down value is now zero, so he just disappears! Yes I saw him play in a pre season friendly but he was carried off after a half an hour or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Malc Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 From what I've seen of Gobern, in particular at Brentford, he must be amazing in training to see him still in negotiation. I can't see the point of him myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 add to that list Nguessen (spl) and Stevens loans finishing. Room for a few more I would suggest Holmes comes back to replace N'Guessen and Gobern/Morgan back to replace Stephens. 3 GK (Davis, Bart, Forecast) 3 RB (Butterfield, Richardson, Stephens) 4 CB (Fonte, Jaidi, Martin, Seaborne) 4 LB (Harding, Dickson, Mills, Reeves) 2 LM (Lallana, Holmes) 2 RM (Guly, Chamberlain) 4 CB (Hammond, Morgan, Chaplow, Gobern) 5 CF (Lambert, Barnard, Connelly, Forte, Noble) The squad looks about the right size to me with Mills possibly leaving. Lallana, Guly, Forte and Dickson offer some extra cover. If we are going to bring a CM in, then Gobern will leave won't he? Up front relies on Connelly being fit otherwise we might be stretched. The same applies at left midfield with Holmes, although Dickson does OK there. Noble to get a full season out on loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 From what I've seen of Gobern, in particular at Brentford, he must be amazing in training to see him still in negotiation. I can't see the point of him myself. He, like Martin needs a full season of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Holmes comes back to replace N'Guessen and Gobern/Morgan back to replace Stephens. 3 GK (Davis, Bart, Forecast) 3 RB (Butterfield, Richardson, Stephens) 4 CB (Fonte, Jaidi, Martin, Seaborne) 4 LB (Harding, Dickson, Mills, Reeves) 2 LM (Lallana, Holmes) 2 RM (Guly, Chamberlain) 4 CB (Hammond, Morgan, Chaplow, Gobern) 5 CF (Lambert, Barnard, Connelly, Forte, Noble) The squad looks about the right size to me with Mills possibly leaving. Lallana, Guly, Forte and Dickson offer some extra cover. If we are going to bring a CM in, then Gobern will leave won't he? Up front relies on Connelly being fit otherwise we might be stretched. The same applies at left midfield with Holmes, although Dickson does OK there. Noble to get a full season out on loan? this is all assuming that we dont transfer list anyone. If we have to rely on Holmes then we will struggle. I am also not convinced by Forte and Gobern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 I still think we will sign 3-4 good NPC quality players...whether that is on frees or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 I still think we will sign 3-4 good NPC quality players...whether that is on frees or not to add to the squad or to replace a couple going out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 to add to the squad or to replace a couple going out? to add to the squad.... there is also the possibility we will see an unexpected departure...OxO, morgan, Fonte mayeb (probably not seeing as NC simply wont entertain this) I can see a striker, CB and a midfielder being added......maybe even a good loan included in that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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