whelk Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Just read the bumpf on the OS about tickets today - is there any other club in the league that limited itself to a 5 week window only and 2 weeks for renewals in the holiday season? Unbelievable and sure they have taken advice but cannot see one benefit of such limitations. Sure others realised before and has been posted about already but question is has any other club else followed this model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 but cannot see one benefit of such limitations. Quicker to work out budgets etc from these sales to be included in running costs, transfers etc I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Quicker to work out budgets etc from these sales to be included in running costs, transfers etc I guess. Budgets will have been set long time ago! Not a month before the season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 it does all seem odd the way we do things last minute, shirts / season tickets. I did expect the renewal price to roll over into the general sale period but had it confirmed by TO yesterday that it doesnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 It is bizzare how the club don't seem to be maximising on any revenue opportunities - perhaps this is what it is like when your club doesn't have financial and particularly cashflow problems - they become very complacent about sales. It does feel strange as a season ticket holder not to be courted in any way but I guess we will have to get used to it and so long as SFC can deliver success on the pitch it is probably a strategy that will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 I thought this had already been decided. The reason the club does not want to especially encourage season ticket sales is that it thinks it can make more cash from walk ups. The club believes it is maximising revenue opportunities and can work this way as we don’t have cash flow problems. You can argue whether it’s the correct business decision or not, but I'm pretty certain they will have looked at this in depth, taken advice etc. before coming up with the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surman4no7shirt Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 I thought this had already been decided. The reason the club does not want to especially encourage season ticket sales is that it thinks it can make more cash from walk ups. The club believes it is maximising revenue opportunities and can work this way as we don’t have cash flow problems. You can argue whether it’s the correct business decision or not, but I'm pretty certain they will have looked at this in depth, taken advice etc. before coming up with the plan. Sounds about right if they are expecting us to do well on the pitch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 I think that it may be an accounting thing. Players contracts run from July 1st, so it makes sense to have your income matching up, in the same financial year. I can see that it is a bit of a short period for some people, but once you get used to the idea, you can save money in May and June to help you fork out in July. Also, most clubs need the season ticket money to keep paying the bills over the close season, I don't think that Saints do any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 maybe vast majority renew within a tight window anyway, e.g. 20% in first 2 or 3 days, 75% in last 2 or 3 days with weeks in between with few sales. So maybe reckon people will still buy either as soon as they can, or last minute in same numbers if its 2 week window - making it easier for them to administrate and budget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 I thought this had already been decided. The reason the club does not want to especially encourage season ticket sales is that it thinks it can make more cash from walk ups. The club believes it is maximising revenue opportunities and can work this way as we don’t have cash flow problems. You can argue whether it’s the correct business decision or not, but I'm pretty certain they will have looked at this in depth, taken advice etc. before coming up with the plan. I understand your point but an average of 8,000 empty seats per game last season suggests they didn't maximise revenue. Demand will increase this season due to promotion but this demand will be dampened by significant price increases so I would expect the level of ST's to remain about the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Is there any club in the FLC more expensive than us. Not that i can find. My mate at Reading paid just £390 for his. Many other clubs are over £100 cheaper if not more. Whilst i recognise the club needs to be self financing, is this how our loyalty for two crap years in the CCC and two years in L1 are rewarded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 maybe vast majority renew within a tight window anyway, e.g. 20% in first 2 or 3 days, 75% in last 2 or 3 days with weeks in between with few sales. So maybe reckon people will still buy either as soon as they can, or last minute in same numbers if its 2 week window - making it easier for them to administrate and budget? Or maybe not. Maybe Or maybe not. For a club with a Five Year Plan (sounds rather Stalinist when it's put like that) they either seem prone to doing knee-jerk things, or it is in The Plan to go for walk ups over season tickets. Loyalty means eff all to NC. Get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Is there any club in the FLC more expensive than us. Not that i can find. Leeds, West Ham and a number of others are more expensive. You didn't look very hard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Leeds, West Ham and a number of others are more expensive. You didn't look very hard! Most are cheaper, some by a large margin, and there are quite a few Premiership clubs that are cheaper (for a season of 19 games instead of 23) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 I thought this had already been decided. The reason the club does not want to especially encourage season ticket sales is that it thinks it can make more cash from walk ups. The club believes it is maximising revenue opportunities and can work this way as we don’t have cash flow problems. You can argue whether it’s the correct business decision or not, but I'm pretty certain they will have looked at this in depth, taken advice etc. before coming up with the plan. Then why charge extra on the day? The last few thousand seats in the stadium will usually be the less-committed supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 i know this has been done to death, but if the club really think that they can make more money on walk ups than on STs they are just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Woohoo 2 more ST's on the door mat within the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressingon Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 The reason the club does not want to especially encourage season ticket sales is that it thinks it can make more cash from walk ups.. How many of our games will have walk ups anyway. Surely not the derbies (skates,seagulls,reading) or the games with perceived troublesome away supporters (cardiff, west ham,millwall,charlton, leeds) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 i know this has been done to death, but if the club really think that they can make more money on walk ups than on STs they are just wrong. its a gamble, if Saints are in the top 6 then people will pay more walk up prices, if they are mid table or lower then people wont bother. At QPR, STs work out at £34 per game but £52 for walk ups, I really see that failing as we will be involved in a relegation scrap and wont even sell out 18k for half the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Most are cheaper, some by a large margin, and there are quite a few Premiership clubs that are cheaper (for a season of 19 games instead of 23) Most don't have several million pound players on hefty wages playing for them. You pays your money you makes your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Most don't have several million pound players on hefty wages playing for them. You pays your money you makes your choice. Some do. What about someone like Fulham? Going off on a tangent now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Most are cheaper, some by a large margin. There is a significant difference between watching Saints on a potential promotion charge at a modern stadium like St Mary's and watching Barnsley in a relegation scrap at Oakwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 i know this has been done to death, but if the club really think that they can make more money on walk ups than on STs they are just wrong. Try this and it'll explain why you're wrong: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=how+do+you+calculate+an+average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Some do. What about someone like Fulham? What about Fulham? http://www.fulhamfc.com/Tickets/SeasonTickets.aspx They are more expensive than Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 What about Fulham? http://www.fulhamfc.com/Tickets/SeasonTickets.aspx They are more expensive than Saints. Adult season tickets for the Premier League watching a team full of internationals for £379. Do I need to actually explain that in any more detail for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Adult season tickets for the Premier League watching a team full of internationals for £379. Do I need to actually explain that in any more detail for you? Good point. Also Reading much cheaper and in out cross over "catchment" area. Fulham Europa league tickets £5 for Adults Saints Carling Cup v Torquay £14 for Adults Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 (edited) Adult season tickets for the Premier League watching a team full of internationals for £379. Do I need to actually explain that in any more detail for you? - My seat at St Mary's at £515 for renewal (£595 if new). - The seats equivalent to it at Craven Cottage cost between £790 to £940. Fulham also have 4 fewer games and are competing with many other local teams for their fanbase. Edited 1 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 (edited) Fulham Europa league tickets £5 for Adults Saints Carling Cup v Torquay £14 for Adults You can't compare the two. Saints and Torquay had to come to an arrangement over ticketing, Fulham and NSI Runavik didn't. Even Torquay are likely to be better than Faroe Island team NSI Runavik. Edited 1 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 The seats equivalent to mine at St Mary's at £515 cost between £790 to £940 at Craven Cottage. you can get a adult season at Fulham cheaper than at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 are they not supposed to be sending renewal forms in the post? I havent had any yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 are they not supposed to be sending renewal forms in the post? I havent had any yet. They didn't last year, they probably won't this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 You can't compare the two. Saints and Torquay have to come to an arrangement, Fulham and NSI Runavik didn't. Even Torquay are likely to be better than Faroe Island team NSI Runavik. i went 2 years ago to almost every home game in their run to the final , CSKA Sofia was £5 as well, Roma £15 i prefer when clubs have empty seats they offer incentives to fill the ground rather than just try to milk more cash from hardcore regulars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Most don't have several million pound players on hefty wages playing for them. You pays your money you makes your choice. Should that have been 'several million-pound' players, or 'several-million pound' players? I don't think we have either to be honest. I fear that next season is going to be a rude awakening. There are many established teams who look stronger than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 - My seat at St Mary's at £515 for renewal (£595 if new). - The seats equivalent to it at Craven Cottage cost between £790 to £940. Fulham also have 4 fewer games and are competing with many other local teams for their fanbase. You can get a decent seat at Fulham, as a new buyer for £379, a team playing pretty much full of internationals. Much easier and smoother process for buying them as well (have a play around on their website and you will see how embarrasingly bad ours is). This is in response to the earlier poster that suggested that those with cheap tickets didn't have "multi-million £ players" - proves that point wrong. I don't massively mind paying what we're being charged at Saints, I know it could be worse, but lets not prented we're getting any great deals here either, the problem with telling people that we have to pay for success is there'll be some unhappy people if that expected succes doesn't materialise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 The position we're now in, i.e not desperate for a bumper cash injection during the summer, means that Cortese doesn't need season ticket holders. In fact he'd quite clearly prefer people to pay a premium on the day or pay the ticket tax on a match by match basis. If we're doing well the seats will sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torsaint Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 Just renewed my ST and have to send proof of date of birth. Both my credit cards were rejected. Gosh, they're making it hard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 The position we're now in, i.e not desperate for a bumper cash injection during the summer, means that Cortese doesn't need season ticket holders. In fact he'd quite clearly prefer people to pay a premium on the day or pay the ticket tax on a match by match basis. If we're doing well the seats will sell. interesting point is how was the business funded from May until July with no income, because as i understand it we made a loss on last set of accounts, albeit it was Markus's money then. imo your last sentence sums it up but that is a huge gamble in football with very few clubs guaranteed success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 2 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 2 July, 2011 The point is do any other clubs have such a ludicrous window of 5 weeks. Can safely say Chelsea and Man City don't need the cash injection but assume they treat their fans with more respect. Don't go quoting Chelsea's exorbitant prices! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 I thought this had already been decided. The reason the club does not want to especially encourage season ticket sales is that it thinks it can make more cash from walk ups. The club believes it is maximising revenue opportunities and can work this way as we don’t have cash flow problems. You can argue whether it’s the correct business decision or not, but I'm pretty certain they will have looked at this in depth, taken advice etc. before coming up with the plan. Well there is that, but then there's always the wall away factor... Season ticket holders pay for games regardless, if fans don't have a season ticket and something pops up they won't go and that money's lost... Money's money and I'd rather the club had the money and an empty seat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Fulham are a joke club with a neutral section that rely on Jap tourists making up half their crowd FFS. Completely fatuous comparison without even factoring in the mismatch between tickets being compared. Our prices are fine and a 5 week window is unlikely to have any detrimental impact on sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Fulham are a joke club with a neutral section that rely on Jap tourists making up half their crowd FFS. Completely fatuous comparison without even factoring in the mismatch between tickets being compared. Our prices are fine and a 5 week window is unlikely to have any detrimental impact on sales. I wish we could be a joke club as well getting to European final, top half premiership finish, lovely old ground with character and season tickets that are affordable for those with lower budgets. Having said that they also have a mad chairman who I hate, that Michael Jackson statue was a mental idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 I wish we could be a joke club as well getting to European final, top half premiership finish, lovely old ground with character and season tickets that are affordable for those with lower budgets. Having said that they also have a mad chairman who I hate, that Michael Jackson statue was a mental idea. TBF, we did do most of that. They are having a decent period now but are ultimately small-fry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 I wish we could be a joke club as well getting to European final, top half premiership finish, lovely old ground with character and season tickets that are affordable for those with lower budgets. Having said that they also have a mad chairman who I hate, that Michael Jackson statue was a mental idea. You forgot to mention the £200m worth of debt that Fulham have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 You forgot to mention the £200m worth of debt that Fulham have. You can't have it both ways, either debt to a benefactor who isn't likely to demand it back any time soon is a debt or it isn't, make your mind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 (edited) You can't have it both ways, either debt to a benefactor who isn't likely to demand it back any time soon is a debt or it isn't, make your mind up. I can. Fulham's debt is 10x greater. Although the majority of it is with the owner and may be classified as soft debt (in the same way the £20.4m from Liebherr might be), a significant amount of it is with banks and other 3rd parties. Which is not the case at Saints, based on the 2009/10 accounts. Edited 2 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Other than your ambition to become the world's most proficient pedant, I'm not sure what your point is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 I'm not sure what your point is. I was supporting what benjii was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Just read the bumpf on the OS about tickets today - is there any other club in the league that limited itself to a 5 week window only and 2 weeks for renewals in the holiday season? Unbelievable and sure they have taken advice but cannot see one benefit of such limitations. Sure others realised before and has been posted about already but question is has any other club else followed this model? What is the problem with having two weeks to renew your seat? If you already have a season ticket then you'd have some idea as to whether you are going to renew or not. Then the prices are released and you have 4 weeks to work out whether you can afford it or not - which is plenty time and then two weeks to get down and sort it out. It's not like they gave us two weeks to renew from the day the prices were released... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Fulham are a joke club with a neutral section that rely on Jap tourists making up half their crowd FFS. Completely fatuous comparison without even factoring in the mismatch between tickets being compared. Our prices are fine and a 5 week window is unlikely to have any detrimental impact on sales. It isn't a "completely fatuous comparison" - it was a response to a post saying that you had to pay a lot for tickets if you wanted success. Season tickets being available at Fulham for £395 shows that is not the case, regardless of what you think of that club and the way it is run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 What is the problem with having two weeks to renew your seat? If you already have a season ticket then you'd have some idea as to whether you are going to renew or not. Then the prices are released and you have 4 weeks to work out whether you can afford it or not - which is plenty time and then two weeks to get down and sort it out. It's not like they gave us two weeks to renew from the day the prices were released... Because you might be well out of the country for that period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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