Mr X Posted 28 October, 2008 Share Posted 28 October, 2008 I guess we just have to hope he will as there won't be any replacement. Will lowe admit he's made a big mistake or use poorvliet as his personal scapegoat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 October, 2008 Share Posted 28 October, 2008 Nope. The more I see the more pessimistic I get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 28 October, 2008 Share Posted 28 October, 2008 What are you saying, Lowe in his own deluded mind has never made a mistake in his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 The problem is 'there is nothing to turn around'. If you have mediocre players you will get mediocre results, good players and you get good results. We have what we have, and JP will have to live (or die) with it. You could give our playing staff to Sir AF, but it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the results really - the bottom line is we have little quality - and that that we do have will probably be loaned out or sold in the very near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 The problem is 'there is nothing to turn around'. If you have mediocre players you will get mediocre results, good players and you get good results. We have what we have, and JP will have to live (or die) with it. You could give our playing staff to Sir AF, but it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the results really - the bottom line is we have little quality - and that that we do have will probably be loaned out or sold in the very near future. I think good managers get good results from poor players, think that is more about being a manager then being at a club able to spend £xyz on great players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 I think good managers get good results from poor players, think that is more about being a manager then being at a club able to spend £xyz on great players. Not many about that can do that. But didn't we get JP because he has a track record of working with little money and getting the most out of youngsters? I personally think we will survive this season. And that should constitute success for us. The way people bang on about expectations of the club and how real fans would want to push us forward reminds me of Deal or No Deal. People on that also believe they can influence things out of their control. They think that if they close their eyes and whink positive thoughts about what is in the boxes, something good will happen. Deal or No Deal is a game of luck and chance. There is nothing the audience or the contestant can do to change the result. As fans there is nothing we can do or say that will change results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 (edited) No, he cannot. And I still reckon he will be gone as a scapegoat to Lowe by the start of the Plymouth or Charlton games... EDIT - Not completely gone, just moved "elsewhere" - Lowe cant afford appearance fees, so wont be able to afford to pay him off. Edited 29 October, 2008 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 I dont expect results to suddenly improve 100% but I do believe Jan can keep us in this league. Dont think Lowe will scapegoat him - as there is only one person resposible for his appointment - then the court case where we had to pay for Jans services. Sacking him would be as close to him holding up his hands and saying I made a mistake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 Poortvliet has not got a clue how to produce a team that can defend, I would sack him now whilst we have a chance to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 For me he's learning as he goes along. He has no in depth knowledge or experience in this division, so he's picking things up with each week that goes by. My worry is that he set his stall out at the start of the season (i.e.youth playing attractive flowing football) and it may not be possible for him to change the policy that easily given that is the route he has decided to go down. I stil think there are three worse teams than us, but we have to start winning at home!!!!! My summary would be that I'm not sure how much he will turn things around, instead that we will survive becaue luckily there are some even worse teams than us about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capel Saint Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 I think he is a good coach as Jan has got the young side generally playing good flowing football. However JP is a poor tactical manager by not using substitutes effectively to change the game and continually persisting on playing only 1 up front when the side is clearly struggling to score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 No IMO. The guy showed last night that tactically & making substitutes wise that he hasn't got a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 i back jan and remember pearson getted the same rubbish written about him last season with a more experienced team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 I think good managers get good results from poor players, think that is more about being a manager then being at a club able to spend £xyz on great players. A la NP at the end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 The problem is 'there is nothing to turn around'. If you have mediocre players you will get mediocre results, good players and you get good results. We have what we have, and JP will have to live (or die) with it. You could give our playing staff to Sir AF, but it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the results really - the bottom line is we have little quality - and that that we do have will probably be loaned out or sold in the very near future. I think this is rubbish (bit of course could never be proven). An experienced manager who understands the English Championship would I am sure be getting better results from what we have. If not then you are saying that JP is as good as Fergie. He isn't, he is third rate, out of his depth. Its obvious for all to see that we have talented players, but JP does not understand how to to blend those talented players with the mediocre ones he also has, how to blend youth and experience, how to put together a strong spine of a team, and how to change tactics. There have been rare occassions this season when the team has played really well, clearly demonstrating that we could do better. We do not have to stick with this 3rd rate dross (nice guy that he is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 (edited) A la NP at the end of last season. I've just been reading about Leicester funnily enough. Milan says there will be huge losses because they've a big stadium and fairly big overheads. They've had a great start and they've a game in hand but they're begining to slip slide away a bit now. Yet the quality of their squad must be vastly superior and costly compared to that of most League 1 sides. Results are obtained by a combination of many things, the manager, the players, the tactics,the finances,luck of the dice with injuries and refereeing decisions, but at the end of the day even sides with superior elements across the board get better results. Leicester going down 3-2 against Brighton last night after being 2 up goes to prove this. Mark my words, Pearson won't last a day if he gets on the wrong side of Milan,that means not getting bad results. One more bad result for him and the knives will be out. Edited 29 October, 2008 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capel Saint Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 I've just been reading about Leicester funnily enough. Milan says there will be huge losses because they've a big stadium and fairly big overheads. They've had a great start and they've a game in hand but they're begining to slip slide away a bit now. Yet the quality of their squad must be vastly superior and costly compared to that of most League 1 sides. Results are obtained by a combination of many things, the manager, the players, the tactics,the finances,luck of the dice with injuries and refereeing decisions, but at the end of the day even sides with superior elements across the board get bad results. Leicester going down 3-2 against Brighton last night after being 2 up goes to prove this. Mark my words, Pearson won't last a day if he gets on the wrong side of Milan,that means not getting bad results. One more bad result for him and the knives will be out. In that respect Mandaric and Lowe are similar in that respect. When a manager does badly they soon get the chop. However, as we have seen, weild the axe too often (3 managers in 1 season) and the team will have a huge chance of being relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 In that respect Mandaric and Lowe are similar in that respect. When a manager does badly they soon get the chop. However, as we have seen, weild the axe too often (3 managers in 1 season) and the team will have a huge chance of being relegated. It's not a question of getting relegated for Pearson , it's a question of not getting promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 He CANNOT! How many games do you need to prove your crap at managing a CCC side, surely no more than a dozen? Any day now.... He didn't look that concerned last night or last week. JAN, GELIEVE TE GAAN NAAR HUIS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 I've just been reading about Leicester funnily enough. Milan says there will be huge losses because they've a big stadium and fairly big overheads. They've had a great start and they've a game in hand but they're begining to slip slide away a bit now. Yet the quality of their squad must be vastly superior and costly compared to that of most League 1 sides. Results are obtained by a combination of many things, the manager, the players, the tactics,the finances,luck of the dice with injuries and refereeing decisions, but at the end of the day even sides with superior elements across the board get better results. Leicester going down 3-2 against Brighton last night after being 2 up goes to prove this. Mark my words, Pearson won't last a day if he gets on the wrong side of Milan,that means not getting bad results. One more bad result for him and the knives will be out. Sweet. Let's get him back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 (edited) I think he is tactically naive.....we nearly still lost every header in the box last night and had no plan and nothing changed from the away game up there or the Watford game. Davis constantly stayed on his line for the long throws when I would of had him come for them - he has hands FFS and gets protected like no other player. Some players were out on their feet last night and he left it far too late for any substitutions allowing them back in the game. I know his hands are tied for some players but these are his tactics that are failing and he looks almost Burleyesque with no plan B and substitution in injury time!! PS I do not advocate for one minute replacing him.....as if we could or if Rupert would abandon the Dutch duo...just that he needs to learn and quick. Edited 29 October, 2008 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 29 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 29 October, 2008 i back jan and remember pearson getted the same rubbish written about him last season with a more experienced team. careful now!! you sound like your from pompey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 Yet the quality of their squad must be vastly superior and costly compared to that of most League 1 sides. All we do know is that their squad (or at least last seasons squad) was not as good as 20 odd Championship teams. There is no way of knowing how good a relegated squad is compared to teams in the division below. You could conjecture they should be better, or slightly better than most, but that is not always the case. If it was then the same teams who got relegated each season would automatically get promoted the following one!!!!! I'm never really comfortable people suggesting Pearson would definitely have done better than Jan, or that Pearson is doing well with Leicester as we just dont know what might have happened, and certainly cannot prove what would have happened. That said, I do have a gut feel that Pearson may just have added some grit and steel to this team and had the fans support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 Pearson IMO was better suited to the job for this year than JP and his new regime, Hey but what do we know as RL knows it all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 Pearson IMO was better suited to the job for this year than JP and his new regime, Hey but what do we know as RL knows it all! And yet (apparently) the knives are already out for him at Leicester,which is stupid. They say that he is totally lacking in creative skills.Apparently people were already phoning in to Radio Leicester yesterday demanding that he be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 I have my doubts about JP... ...but I'm still hoping he can learn as he goes and keep us up. Probably go right to the wire though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 And yet (apparently) the knives are already out for him at Leicester,which is stupid. They say that he is totally lacking in creative skills.Apparently people were already phoning in to Radio Leicester yesterday demanding that he be sacked. Check out their message board....sound familiar.....? http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showforum=1 Fickle bunch..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 Check out their message board....sound familiar.....? http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showforum=1 Fickle bunch..... Ah Micky Adams, always the bloke who was a better candidate than the current incumbent.I'm sure he could make money out of that somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 what a lot of drivel. The guy is doing a pretty good job with scant resources. Any manager would have difficulties with such a youthful side. He can only play the cards he is dealt. As it was they played very well last night against an experienced Coventry side .......and they will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 Frankly there is no other option than let him continue........there can be very few managers who would want to join the poisoned chalice that is Saints with this bunch of no hopers strolling around the pitch..........best just let him get on with it........but nothing will change in terms of results i'm afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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