Tractor_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Any chance of someone making a new poll about whether in Adkins we still all trust? Would be interested to see if the numbers have changed from last week based on his team selection today. Surprised he didn't sub Lambert for Burac... He's a manager, he gets paid to manage the team.... How's he doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 OK, maybe we don't. Hope you all enjoying your head meeting sand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Done, for what it's worth I'd keep him. If he can't sort out the defence in next 3 games I will probably change my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogs Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think we should sink or swim with him,he deserves it after 2 fantastic seasons.I alway feel loyalty pays off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Back him. FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Done, for what it's worth I'd keep him. If he can't sort out the defence in next 3 games I will probably change my view. Cheers for putting it to the vote, I've voted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 My opinion on GK position. Gazza has been doing alright, but who is my first choice for this season......Boruc of course, that´s a no-brainer. Yes he is not fully match fit but he will never be that if you dont give him games. Playing U21-games will not get him what he needs and therefore you have to give him 3-4 more games to fully see his capability. So for me, that choice isn´t that surprising if you look at a bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think we should sink or swim with him,he deserves it after 2 fantastic seasons.I alway feel loyalty pays off. fair play......it already feels like this season is a bust anyway so let him stay learn as much as he can and then when he gets us promoted back from the championship next time he'll have PL experince:) Of course it won't happen like that NC won't want to relegated from the PL and it's sackfulls of cash..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Unless NC has an ace up his sleeve, I'd rather stick than go with any of the uninspiring under acheivers being touted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Keep him, for now. IF it is the case that the formation we play is a club decision that Adkins cannot change, then he cannot be blamed entirely for the way we play. We don't have the players for the way we play, so it will take time for them to get used to this new formation and style. No other manager will change this, nor can they change the players who are letting us down so badly. Adkins has been far from perfect and IMO needs to stop dicking around with the team selection and find some consistency. His post-match interview today all but confirmed he knows we need to strengthen defensively, so let's give him the chance to do so in Jan and hope NC backs him. If NC doesn't, that again is something that the manager cannot be blamed for and a new manager won't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Who the hell are we going to get over Adkins?!?!?! Unless its Pep Guada (spelling?) they will be just as poor. Only complaint is dropping Gazza but that can be fixed soon enough, Adkins will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 If the issue was just the poor defending I would say stick with him, that can be addressed in January, as it should have been in the summer, Howevr his bizarre starting line ups and substitutions are making me think he is out of his depth, so it pains me to do so but I've voted tim for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 For my two penneth. I considered Boruc as third choice to be fair. Gazza not playing today, would have expected Davies back in. But Borac? But my opinion isn't based on today's goalkeeper choice, it's on the team in general and Adkins subs so far. Was surprised that when he made a sub he didn't sub Borac for Lambert. Sorry but before tonight I said Nigel needs to go two games ago. Three games on I stick with it. Problem is I've got no idea who would be a real Premier League manager to take us into next season so, therefore, one is a slag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Who the hell are we going to get over Adkins?!?!?! Unless its Pep Guada (spelling?) they will be just as poor. Only complaint is dropping Gazza but that can be fixed soon enough, Adkins will be fine. Sigh Simply not true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think we should sink or swim with him,he deserves it after 2 fantastic seasons.I alway feel loyalty pays off. We owe it to everyone to make sure we stay up.... If that is without Adkins then so be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Sigh Simply not true Well who will be the messiah then?? Some one like Redkanpp? Coyle? Mick? No chance, all will be the same as Adkins in the same dog fight, costing the club more money. Have to stick to Adkins because realistically a change in management won't do us the slightest bit of good. Might as well take 20th now and get on with next year if all we can see as a solution is sacking Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Dont know. If its not him picking the team & deciding the formation then how canwe blame him. He has made some bad errors with substitutions & starting 11's, but he has earnt our loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Keep him, he's new to the big time but he's shown he's got passion and he got us promoted twice in two years FFS you can't just drop someone with that form after a handful of games, give him at least until xmas but ideally a whole season (unless were losing by 3 goals every match at xmas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I considered Boruc as third choice to be fair. Gazza not playing today, would have expected Davies back in. But Borac? Thats just mental imo. Boruc is a fully fledged international keeper with a stronger club history than KD. I like Gazzaniga but he needs to be brought on gradually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 OK - Nicola has a whole bag of money to attract some top notch proven managers to Saints. How long do you think he'll stick to Nigel until he finds someone else. In the end Nicola needs to run this as a business and, at the moment, we're going back to the Championship. If you're a Saints fan and had a lot of money to make sure we didn't go back down to the Championship next year, would you do something about it now or wait until the New Year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Thats just mental imo. Boruc is a fully fledged international keeper with a stronger club history than KD. I like Gazzaniga but he needs to be brought on gradually. Lol - Gazzinga has played first team for the last 3+ games for Saints and done well. We're not a charity for players like Boruc. We're (for now) a Premiership team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Well who will be the messiah then?? Some one like Redkanpp? Coyle? Mick? No chance, all will be the same as Adkins in the same dog fight, costing the club more money. Have to stick to Adkins because realistically a change in management won't do us the slightest bit of good. Might as well take 20th now and get on with next year if all we can see as a solution is sacking Adkins. Who knows But I remember the doom and gloom when pardew was moved on I also remember the general disgust when Adkins was appointed also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Won't vote on this until after the Spurs game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Won't vote on this until after the Spurs game. Fair play - head bury and sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Anyone thinking Boruc would be third choice between him, KD and Gazza clearly never watches anything else than english football... Boruc is by far the best keeper when in full shape and fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouth Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Just looked at the match thread. If the game had finished at 45 mins, most would have been content, if not quite happy. In fact, some even said Saints did some things well, even if they didn't score. Unless someone is suggesting NA told them to give away two stupid goals in 2 minutes (and I wouldn't be surprised with some on here), then really the thing that cost us the game is the stupid defensive mistakes which probably account for 20 of the goals we've let in. 4th goal summed up the poor defending: they dropped too deep and with 3 of them back there, the closest player should have gone to close him down earlier. That indicates that the personnel aren't 'good enough', although they have been good enough for much of the game, only going to pieces in short spells here and there. As others have said - it's all between their ears. That may be sufficient for them to be considered inadequate and shipped out, but for now we're stuck with them. If the team is over-reliant on one source/person then even if they play if they're marked out of the game (as MLT often was by the likes of Keown) then the team has to be good enough to adapt on its own - this isn't american football, it's a bit more spontaneous than that so dropping a player isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially when/if the team are likely to go long with him playing and him being up a defender who is very good in the air, not so much on the deck (Collins). It's nice to see so many owners/managers of SFC ready to wield the axe and yet gripe about the 'right way' to treat people - pots and kettles? As for formation. To repeat what others have said elsewhere when stating the obvious to those who don't/can't get it: if the player who is meant to do a job doesn't do it, then that leaves the team open regardless of whether it's 10-0 or 1-1-1-1-1-5. Keep NA , but get a damn good defensive coach in (or Glenn Hoddle - cough - and his faith healer woman friend) to assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Boruc is by far the best keeper when in full shape and fitness. Do you reckon that Kelvin or Gaz would have saved the first or second goal today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I genuinely don't know. I've been a staunch supporter but his decisions have cost us a raft of points and I'm really not sure if he can hack it yet at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouth Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Oh, and yeah, Boruc is class when he's fit and motivated. Keep him in: no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobysaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think that some fans have been spoilt over the past two seasons and have completely forgotten what a struggle it is and always has been in the Premiership. In the previous regime we got through a significant number of managers and had we not had somebody of the quality or loyalty of Le Tiss we would have been relegated far earlier than we were. Some may say that the changing managers kept us up but I feel that this merely led to our demise and administration. A manager comes in, get in his players on long term contracts, gets the boot, new man comes in, gets in new players. The end result is a squad the size of a small army with many never getting a look in. Nigel has brought us this far and with a style of football that many fans don't get chance to see. I am not ignoring the fact that the defenders we have are shipping goals left, right and centre and an unstable GK position. I totally acknowledge that if we carry on as we are we will be relegated but I think it will change. It is a sharp learning curve in the top league and unfortunately our defenders aren't learning fast enough. However, it will happen in time and changing manager won't make it happen any quicker. At times over the years I have found it quite embarrasing how Saints have chopped and changed managers and gone for cheap internal appointment or cheap foreign appointments. We have a good manager who is new to the Prem as are many of his players, how about we give him a chance to prove himself than sacking him and getting in some cliched top flight appointment like Redcrapp or Keane or Benitez. Give me Nige any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 (edited) Was one of the brave few who voted against him in the last poll and have voted against him again now.. Not good enough at this level IMO. Edited 20 October, 2012 by DarrenLeTiss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Agree with VFTP, I genuinely don't know. Love Adkins, but we will go, and so will he, if it carries on like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Can you believe this was only 3 league games ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skings80 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 sometimes business is business... for the good of SFC nigel has to hold his hands up and go before we find ourselves adrift from the teams above.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Who knows But I remember the doom and gloom when pardew was moved on I also remember the general disgust when Adkins was appointed also Context is a bit essential there. From what I gather Pardew is an ass hat and really didn't sort out the summer before hand, league position was going to cost him regardless. In the same token we hired Adkins, who was single handedly keeping S****horpe much higher than they ever should be. I don't see how sacking him and going for a mid-season upheaval is going to help things at all. Adkins deserves a season, not just for getting 2 promotions but because it would be stupid not too. He can sort out the training (FM style) any time and can buy a new back line over christmas. He needs the chance to do these things really, sack him if we are 19th or 20th on valentines day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Scooby - I completely agree with you that Nigel has done an absolutely fantastic job to get us here well ahead of schedule. However, I'm sure he's been paid in line with his contract that probably made him a very rich man to do this so ahead of plan. However, we're now a Premiership club and expect Premiership management. We're not a poor club, we've got money behind us. If our manager isn't coming up to expectations then, as a business, we should be looking to replace them and see what's available out there. We owe Nigel a lot for what he's done for us. But I don't want us to look back and have to point out what 'Nigel did to us'. Let's respect him for getting us to the Premiership, get a manager who can keep us there and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 What a tricky one this is! The bloke has been brilliant for us and we must respect that, my worry is he can't handle the big time! But id like to give him a bit longer surely the bloke deserves that much? I honestly would be sad to see him go!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 What a tricky one this is! The bloke has been brilliant for us and we must respect that, my worry is he can't handle the big time! But id like to give him a bit longer surely the bloke deserves that much? I honestly would be sad to see him go!!!!!! Perfectly put. I agree. How much longer though? What's the cut off point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 He's earned a full season in the prem imho. Even if we go back down. And I shudder to think of Scoobys suggestions above as replacements; Redknapp? thats bad enough, but if keane got withing screaming distance of St Marys I would start going to the silverlake until he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 He's earned a full season in the prem imho. Even if we go back down. And I shudder to think of Scoobys suggestions above as replacements; Redknapp? thats bad enough, but if keane got withing screaming distance of St Marys I would start going to the silverlake until he left. No one earns a full season of heavy defeats... What about the people that would get made redundant if we go down What about the millions of £££ of we go down.. What about the kids favourite players that have to be sold...the feel good would be shot to pieces Look at the teams that have gone gown. All managers have gone. One of which was loved at Bolton... Not done them much good sticking with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Its a difficult one for sure. He deserves a few more matches at least But my concern is that he isnt learning from his mistakes. His team selection and tactics have been shocking recently and he continues to repeat them. On contrary to the resident mongs conspiracy theory that Cortese is telling adkins how to play I do believe that we are being told to play attacking football. Sort of like adopting the Barca mentality. The problem is we have those players and they are not getting picked. To leave off a striker who scores for fun is criminal. If he continues to do that I can see Rickie getting ****ed off. He deserves at bare minimum another three games but if in those games we have not improved then its time for a change. As the guy on talksport said sometimes great football league managers struggle in the premier league. Maybe he is just not cut out for this level and this type of pressure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Do you reckon that Kelvin or Gaz would have saved the first or second goal today? The first perhaps someone would have saved but I´ve seen top top keepers see those go into goal too.... The second goal I dont really understand your opinion of, what should he have done you think? If you look at goals from angles regarding our keepers I would say that Evertons second goal on Gazza is by far a worse goal, Gazza takes that angle wrong with about two steps so that is to me a far worse goal to let in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Even if we go down I would keep Nigel. He showed at Scunny that he's the king of getting teams back from the brink after relegation. I have faith that we can stay up and pick up points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I'd sack cause if this carries on too long we'll be in big trouble and even a new manager in the 2nd half of the season wouldnt help. Thing is i do like him but he's put this all on himself, he's cocky and wants to do it his way and he never says he made a mistake and always blames it on his defence, it's about time someone close to him and tells him some of his players are just not good enough. Guly, Fox and even JRod are just not good enough for this level (JRod is suppose to be for the future not now). Quality not experience gets you results, Shaw is a great player, Arsenal and Chelsea were after him so give him ago? He could be the next Bale we'll never know til he starts playing. JWP is so much better than Davis, yes he's young and has to learn a few more things but he'll never learn without playing he, imo he gives much more than Davis on the pitch. Mayuka's pace is also what we should be using, him playing just behind the striker would be great for counter attacking football but NA leaves it way to late bringing him on each time, start with Guly or Mayuka? not really a hard choice. I don't like the 442 formation but i think til we get our players back from injury i think we should go back to the standard 442 (mayuka + lambo upfront) none of the diamond crap that failed badly against everton, least with that we might get something against Spurs. Just hope Bale will be kind to us and play ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 (edited) For those that remember it, I feel that the worm is turning... Wasn't it 95% for and 5% against last week... Currently it stands 60% for and 40% against. Edited 20 October, 2012 by Tractor_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 We were playing cricket when the teams were released. When I told my lad that Lambert wasn't in the squad his reaction was that we'd lose and that Adkins had lost the plot and needs to go. A house divided indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 (edited) No one earns a full season of heavy defeats... What about the people that would get made redundant if we go down What about the millions of £££ of we go down.. What about the kids favourite players that have to be sold...the feel good would be shot to pieces Look at the teams that have gone gown. All managers have gone. One of which was loved at Bolton... Not done them much good sticking with him Programme sellers? Even if we stay up no garuntee our favorite/best players would stay....they never did last time we were in the PL. It all comes down to cash no way will NC want to lose the PL money...which is why I reckon Nigel is a dead man walking. Edited 20 October, 2012 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 No doubt Nigel needs to learn quick and up his game, same can be said for some of our "supporters". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Programme sellers? Even if we stay up no gurantee our favorite/best players would stay....they never did last time we were in the PL. It all comes down to cash no way will NC want to lose the PL money...which is why I reckon Nigel is a dead man walking. No guarantee but there would be more of a chance we would keep some of them If we go down... With the recent loan etc. I can't see out better player staying Throw in missing out on next years tv deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 No one earns a full season of heavy defeats... What about the people that would get made redundant if we go down What about the millions of £££ of we go down.. What about the kids favourite players that have to be sold...the feel good would be shot to pieces Look at the teams that have gone gown. All managers have gone. One of which was loved at Bolton... Not done them much good sticking with him Matter of opinion. Personally, I think after two successive promotions he has earned a full season's shot at the prem. Nobody has to agree with me though, and the decision wont be influenced by anyone on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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