Mr X Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 If we had another defender of the same class as lovren we'd seriously have a good defence fonte and yoshida are reasonable stand ins but not at anywhere nr the same level, shaw and chambers will be more than good enough for the flanks. Any player suggestions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Ball playing centre-halves suitable for the modern game who can still defend well are at a premium. I suspect we only got Lovren as he had a poor season at Lyon in the first place. That said, Astori is still at Cagliari - and he seems very suitable and attainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Ball playing centre-halves suitable for the modern game who can still defend well are at a premium. I suspect we only got Lovren as he had a poor season at Lyon in the first place. That said, Astori is still at Cagliari - and he seems very suitable and attainable. you don't need to have a poor season at Lyon to be saleable, all you need is to be coming towards the end of your contract and not be falling over yourself to accept a pay-cut for a new contract. Aulas is an idiot, he'll sell anything that moves if it suits him. This summer he's sold Lovren,Lisandro and Bastos and let Reveillere go because he wanted a year's contract with a year's option and Aulas just wanted to give him 1 year. Reveillere is still kicking about somewhere, , if Luke seems to be getting injured a lot then we could look at signing him as he's a free agent and better than Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 If we're lucky enough to keep the level of finance going that we've had recently, there's no doubt that a left sided centre-half will be targeted next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Lyon have a very good transfer policy, might have something to do with it. People should read Soccernomics, it explains what Lyon do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Fonte hasn't done a lot wrong this year so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Read this... http://www.sportdw.com/2010/11/lyon-transfer-market-masters.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Fonte hasn't done a lot wrong this year so far. I'm hoping this is not a serious comment... If it is... 2 games, 1 conceded, 1 scored... not bad so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Khacheridi, Ukraine's number 3 last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Fonte has been very impressive. For me Lovren and Fonte are easily a midtable premier league quality pairing. Yoshida is very good backup and Hooiveld can do a job if called upon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Fonte hasn't done a lot wrong this year so far. Exactly, looked a lot more assured this season, as I thought would be the case now that Jos is back on the bench. Not entirely sure what the issue with Yoshi is either TBH, obviously the latest casualty of Mr Xs ability blindness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 I'm hoping this is not a serious comment... If it is... 2 games, 1 conceded, 1 scored... not bad so far. Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 I agree that Fonte hasn´t done anything wrong this year, but that doesn´t mean that you should be looking for an upgrade if you can find it....?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Ahh Fonte, possibly the most underrated player in Saints recent history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Yep defence is defo where we have the weakness / need to improve at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Ahh Fonte, possibly the most underrated player in Saints recent history. Not from me. I've always rated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Ahh Fonte, possibly the most underrated player in Saints recent history. Can't agree more and obviously Pochettino sees many things in his play and rates him more than a lot of folk who are Saints followers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Hrs done well but just because he's done well so far doesn't mean he won't mess up. I would bring yoshida in soon and quit while ahead with tonte before his inevitable mistake. I think all he is missing is that element of concentration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 I watch a helluva lot of Serie A, and Astori is extremely overrated and extortionately over priced. I like Hector Moreno of Espanyol. Mexican international with 47 caps, won Espanyol's player of the season in 2011/12 under Poch. He'd be a step up on what we already have (Lovren aside). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Hrs done well but just because he's done well so far doesn't mean he won't mess up. I would bring yoshida in soon and quit while ahead with tonte before his inevitable mistake. I think all he is missing is that element of concentration. Well that is just pathetic and sums up the mentality of some on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Hrs done well but just because he's done well so far doesn't mean he won't mess up. I would bring yoshida in soon and quit while ahead with tonte before his inevitable mistake. I think all he is missing is that element of concentration. I think you want perfection. Every defender messes up now and again just like every striker misses a sitter every now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Fonte hasn't done a lot wrong this year so far. No he hasn't....but like everyone else he has a birthday every year, and if his form suddenly goes bad, or he gets a serious injury .....what then ? I don't see Jos getting many games and sooner or later Fonte will move on...and I'd be happier to think we had someone who was familiar with the club already and not to have to panic buy to cover for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 No he hasn't....but like everyone else he has a birthday every year, and if his form suddenly goes bad, or he gets a serious injury .....what then ? I don't see Jos getting many games and sooner or later Fonte will move on...and I'd be happier to think we had someone who was familiar with the club already and not to have to panic buy to cover for him. Yoshida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Ahh Fonte, possibly the most underrated player in Saints recent history. You have got to be kidding? Fuller, John, Oakley, Fernandes, Lundekvam all took more stick than Fonte despite putting in great shifts and that's only in the last 7-8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 No he hasn't....but like everyone else he has a birthday every year, and if his form suddenly goes bad, or he gets a serious injury .....what then ? I don't see Jos getting many games and sooner or later Fonte will move on...and I'd be happier to think we had someone who was familiar with the club already and not to have to panic buy to cover for him. He's only 29, I can't believe this is his 5th season with us and he's been here that long. He's made 140 appearances for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 He's only 29, I can't believe this is his 5th season with us and he's been here that long. He's made 140 appearances for us .......and I'd like to think he might make another 140, but at this level you have to be on top form all the time. I do like him as a player, but he has trouble with pace when under pressure. His form is a bit inconsistant and he was responsible for some bad errors last season. When we lost 0-2 v.Wigan at SMS, Kone beat him twice for pace and scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Yoshida thats my answer, too but he doesn't have too many admirers on this site, but maybe MP has a higher regard for him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 thats my answer, too but he doesn't have too many admirers on this site, but maybe MP has a higher regard for him ? Well MP seems to rate Fonte higher but some on here think they know better than him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 thats my answer, too but he doesn't have too many admirers on this site, but maybe MP has a higher regard for him ? I can't keep up, I thought we liked Yoshida? I certainly was always impressed with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 I watch a helluva lot of Serie A, and Astori is extremely overrated and extortionately over priced. I like Hector Moreno of Espanyol. Mexican international with 47 caps, won Espanyol's player of the season in 2011/12 under Poch. He'd be a step up on what we already have (Lovren aside). I watch a lot of Serie a and have followed Astoris career closely. He is the new Maldini IMO and massively underrated and underpriced. I remember watching his debut and thinking this is a proper defender we've got here. I expect lots of people saying how good he is have never seen him play though and are just saying it because we've been linked with him a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 I watch a lot of Serie a and have followed Astoris career closely. He is the new Maldini IMO and massively underrated and underpriced. I remember watching his debut and thinking this is a proper defender we've got here. I expect lots of people saying how good he is have never seen him play though and are just saying it because we've been linked with him a few times. I was visiting relatives in Italy last year and caught a pre-season game that Astori played in. He scored an own goal, conceded a penalty and was subbed off after 50 minutes. I'm not sure if he's as good as you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 (edited) I was visiting relatives in Italy last year and caught a pre-season game that Astori played in. He scored an own goal, conceded a penalty and was subbed off after 50 minutes. I'm not sure if he's as good as you say. You must have caught him on a bad day, i did hear about that game as i folllow cagliari closely, a few fans described him as the Italian Richard Dryden. however when I was visiting relatives in Sardinia I saw him play against AC Milan and he was amazing, the ball was like a magnet to his head and he won everything. Even the Milan travelling fans applauded him off the pitch and joined in with a rousing rendition of He plays in the middle He plays at back Davide astori Make Maldini look cack. I think he's probably worth £37m Edited 11 September, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-Y0DFUQNI&feature=youtube_gdata_player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 When did yoshida become ****e? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Well MP seems to rate Fonte higher but some on here think they know better than him I always thought Yoshi was MPs first choice, but due to internationals came back to pre season needing a rest and Fonte took his chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 Fonte also had his worst game against west ham away last year. Gave away a stupid penalty, and although not having to deal with Carroll, this style of football may be his weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Saint Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 What's going on with Clyne exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 11 September, 2013 Share Posted 11 September, 2013 I can't keep up, I thought we liked Yoshida? I certainly was always impressed with him. There is not much in it between Fonte and Yoshida but Fonte has the shirt at the moment. One injury and it could all change. That is why we need a squad where the replacement is pretty much as good as the replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 12 September, 2013 Share Posted 12 September, 2013 What's interesting about Lyon is the focus on Brazilian's. We can't do that in the UK for work permit reasons. My youngest (6) is at Man U (might only be 10 weeks) & at Stoke City's development centres. I can't get over how different they are. At Man u it's totally focused on ball work. No passing, no shooting, no fitness - everything is about having the skill to beat a man. At Stoke it's about pass & move. Space & awareness. My point is, there are various ways to get success & IMHO Saints are doing it the right way with the youth team, but may well be overpaying in the transfer market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 12 September, 2013 Share Posted 12 September, 2013 When did yoshida become ****e? he never was in my book, but he seems to have a few critics and a rather small fan club on this site, anyway. Personally, I think he's a good first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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