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Doesn't work like that. As far as I know friends and families don't visit Diego. There is a contract charter company, don't know who it is now. There is no family housing and even military couples don't serve there at the same time.

 

As Diego Garcia is British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT), all immigration is carried out by British Forces Personnel even down to having their own Drugs Unit (and sniffer dogs).

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A senior Malaysian government official has revealed that the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) had scrambled search aircraft

at 8am on the morning of March 8, soon after Malaysia Airlines had reported that flight MH370 was missing.

 

In a surprising new development, CNN reported today that it was informed by the official that the RMAF search aircraft were

scrambled well before authorities had corroborated data indicating that the missing commercial aircraft had turned back westward

from its last-known location over the South China Sea.

 

A source involved in the investigation into the missing MAS plane has confirmed this latest information, CNN reported.

 

According to CNN, the source also told them that RMAF did not inform the Department of Civil Aviation nor anyone in the search

and rescue operations team until March 11, three days after the aircraft disappeared.

 

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/rmaf-deployed-search-aircraft-on-march-8-but-did-not-inform-anyone

 

 

Have to say that IMHO the Malaysians must have lost a lot of "face" with other Asian countries over this whole sad situation.

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I've just finished watching it. Nothing much that we haven't already discussed. International protocols wasted a lot of time in the early phases and that ground radar only covered a limited amount if airspace. Any military intel would not be publicly admitted, that surveillance resources are expensive and have to be specifically targeted to be of any use. The Inmarsat calculations were compared with 6 other aircraft that were flying at the same time. None of the wilder theories was discussed. Then talk about what the future might hold with any new developments being driven more by the demand for greater connectivity for the passengers than aircraft safety. Talk of continuous reporting from the onboard systems and some Japanese research into total remote control. An admission that the cockpit voice recorder probably won't reveal anything, if found. It confirms what we already knew, that this situation is unprecedented and unprepared for and that the aviation world will be revamped for the future.

 

The one question that lingers for me is why the aircraft made that last, final sudden turn towards the south. It seemed to be under onboard control until then.

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I watched an interview with Malaysian defence minister / acting transport minister last night. A BBC journo was putting some pretty unfair questions about alleged Malaysian failings to him in the guise of "people are saying..." At one point he became irritated and said "it was passenger plane. What should we have done? scrambled the sukhois and shot it down?" seemed slightly odd in the context

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A relation of my wife, retired Lieutenant Colonel, was chatting to me last night about the search. His son in law is very high up in the Australian army. He commented that the Australians couldn't have come on this signal by chance. The Australian military are very close to the Americans. The Americans wouldn't want to be the ones to make public this information.

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A relation of my wife, retired Lieutenant Colonel, was chatting to me last night about the search. His son in law is very high up in the Australian army. He commented that the Australians couldn't have come on this signal by chance. The Australian military are very close to the Americans. The Americans wouldn't want to be the ones to make public this information.

 

So you're saying that the US told them where to look then? Now why wouldn't that surprise me, especially as they suddenly moved the search zone about 500 km north. Although I don't like to conpiracise there is nothing those bastards don't know and very little that they'll admit to knowing. Nothing has changed I remember my days as a civilian advisor at S.H.A.P.E, they needed to know everything about everything then and still seem to want to now.

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A relation of my wife, retired Lieutenant Colonel, was chatting to me last night about the search. His son in law is very high up in the Australian army. He commented that the Australians couldn't have come on this signal by chance. The Australian military are very close to the Americans. The Americans wouldn't want to be the ones to make public this information.

 

There's something about this whole search area thing that raises my suspicions. They all seem so certain that it's down there but the Inmarsat indications are very approximate to say the least. To have actually found any of these pings by chance would seem to me to be miraculous so I wouldn't be at all surprised by what you say. The important thing is that we do eventually get some answers.

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There's something about this whole search area thing that raises my suspicions. They all seem so certain that it's down there but the Inmarsat indications are very approximate to say the least. To have actually found any of these pings by chance would seem to me to be miraculous so I wouldn't be at all surprised by what you say. The important thing is that we do eventually get some answers.

 

I can only agree.

 

The reported search area is both remote and vast, while the transmission range of the locator transponders in question is tiny in comparison. Therefore either the search effort has been remarkably fortunate in locating these transmissions so very quickly or perhaps someone has a better idea of where MH370 went down than they are prepared to admit publicly.

 

As I've stated on here many times before I'm innately skeptical of most conspiracy theories. However even I am now starting to wonder if commercial airliners are somehow being tracked much more closely than is commonly thought, or indeed are the US secretly monitoring all the world oceans (like they did with the North Atlantic during the height of the Cold War) via an array of undersea listening devices? It seems improbable this far off the 'beaten track' as it were, but does a super sensitive Indian Ocean SOSUS network now exist?

 

But if we're going to speculate like this then the possibilities are almost endless. For instance say MH370 crashed by chance into the sea near the operational area of a US nuclear missile submarine and the sub heard the impact (or the transponders) via its sonar systems. The US would naturally want to help in the search, but at the same time but no nation ever discloses where its nuclear submarines operate for obvious reasons. Indeed this information is beyond secret.

 

Be that as it may, I suspect we may have to wait a long time before we know the full truth behind this tragic story.

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In a further article that has just appeared in the International Business Times (Australian edition) more speculation and quotes on the hijacking to Afghanistan appears at the end of an announcement that latest pings are not from MH370.

If true, this story would be sensational and rock our modern day trust in governments.

 

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/547757/20140411/taliban-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-anwar-ibrahim.htm#.U0keI6IxTIk

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In a further article that has just appeared in the International Business Times (Australian edition) more speculation and quotes on the hijacking to Afghanistan appears at the end of an announcement that latest pings are not from MH370.

If true, this story would be sensational and rock our modern day trust in governments.

 

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/547757/20140411/taliban-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-anwar-ibrahim.htm#.U0keI6IxTIk

 

You idiots in "The West" are still naive enough to "trust" your Governments?

 

Snowden, Sleaze, Expenses, Iraq War, WMD, Cash for access, Donations for peerages, Operation Yewtree..........

 

:rolleyes:

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In a further article that has just appeared in the International Business Times (Australian edition) more speculation and quotes on the hijacking to Afghanistan appears at the end of an announcement that latest pings are not from MH370.

If true, this story would be sensational and rock our modern day trust in governments.

 

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/547757/20140411/taliban-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-anwar-ibrahim.htm#.U0keI6IxTIk

 

I hope this is true; and that Denzel Washington plays the lead role.

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13 conspiracy theories surrounding the disappearance of MH370

 

Apr 14, 2014 11:59

Rebecca Pocklington, Ben Burrows

 

The search for the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 has now entered its 38th day.

 

Search teams are now focusing their attention on an area in the southern Indian Ocean after several pings were detected, suspected to be from the stricken jet's black box data recorders.

 

Later today a sophisticated underwater search vehicle called Bluefin 21 will plunge into the depths to try and locate any debris.

 

Despite mounting evidence the missing plane crashed into the ocean, there are still many a conspiracy theorist out there who has other ideas.

 

From a US military cover up or an insurance scam, to an Afghan hijacking or even alien abduction there are hundreds of theories flying around.

 

Follow all the latest news and reaction from Malaysia as it happens in our live blog

 

Here's our guide to some of the best - and craziest - conspiracy theories.

 

US military conspiracy

The United States have been forced to flatly deny claims that the plane landed at its military base on the remote island of Diego Garcia.

 

There were strong rumours that the jetliner could have headed for the small coral atoll in the Indian Ocean, which sits around 3,500km from Malaysia.

 

However, a spokesman for the US embassy in the Malaysian capital said there was no truth in this speculation.

 

He told Malaysia's Star newspaper by email: "There was no indication that MH370 flew anywhere near the Maldives or Diego Garcia.

 

"MH370 did not land in Diego Garcia."

Afghan hijacking

 

A Russian intelligence source has claimed the aircraft landed near Kandahar

 

A Russian newspaper claimed MH370 has been hijacked and flown to Afghanistan, where the crew and passengers are now being held captive.

 

A military source reportedly told the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper: "Flight MH370 Malaysia Airlines missing on March 8 with 239 passengers was hijacked.

 

"Pilots are not guilty; the plane was hijacked by unknown terrorists. We know that the name of the terrorist who gave instructions to pilots is "Hitch.

 

"The plane is in Afghanistan not far from Kandahar near the border with Pakistan."

 

Others have since gone on to indicate that the passengers have been divided into seven groups and are living in mud huts with almost no food.

Alien abduction

 

Social media users have jumped on the possibility of extraterrestrial life having something to do with the missing plane.

 

One user wrote: "After an extensive conversation with my father & his partner, we have come to the conclusion that the only explanation is #aliens mh370."

 

Another added: "I secretly believe that plane is abducted by aliens.. I know I’m not the only one.."

 

And one user even said there were only two possibilities for its disappearance, aliens or a DB Cooper-style heist.

 

He wrote: "This Malaysian airlines flight has the potential to be either the greatest heist since DB Cooper, or alien abduction. I vote aliens."

 

A life insurance scam

 

The Malaysian police chief refused to rule out the possibility of the missing plane being an elaborate insurance scam.

 

Khalid Abu Bakar addressed the world last month to provide an update on the investigation and revealed authorities were exploring every single avenue - no matter how remote.

 

"Maybe somebody on the flight has bought a huge sum of insurance, who wants family to gain from it or somebody who has owed somebody so much money, you know, we are looking at all possibilities," he said.

 

The authorities' investigations extend to examining every detail of the passengers for any clues as to what may have happened.

 

"We are looking very closely at the video footage taken at the KLIA (Kuala Lumpur International Airport), we are studying the behavioural pattern of all the passengers," he added.

The Illuminati

 

Reddit users have seemingly taken a keen interest in the disappearance.

 

One, known only as i-am-SHER-locked apparently uncovered that the Boeing 777 in question was the 404th such aircraft to be produced.

 

"An HTTP 404 error means not found," they wrote. "Which in this case is oddly appropriate for the status of the aircraft, or just a coincidence.

 

"Coincidence, I think not."

Edward Snowden

 

 

In on it? Whistleblower Edward Snowden could be central to the disappearance. Or not

 

There were early suggestions 20 employees from the Texas-based Freescale Semiconductor were on board the flight.

 

So Reddit user Dark_Spectre has put two and two together and come up with, well, you decide.

 

"So we have the American IBM Technical Storage Executive for Malaysia, a man working in mass storage aggregation for the company implicated by the Snowden papers for providing their services to assist the National Security Agency in surveilling the Chinese," he wrote.

 

"And now this bunch of US chip guys working for a global leader in embedded processing solutions (embedded smart phone tech and defense contracting) all together..on a plane..And disappeared.. Coincidence??"

 

He goes on to that the plane itself was kidnapped by Chinese authorities to uncover more about Snowden's revelations.

Electronic warfare experiment

 

A theory suggesting the plane was hidden as part of an experiment has circulated.

 

Citizens news site Beforeitsnews.com reported: "It is conceivable that the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 plane is 'cloaked', hiding with hi-tech electronic warfare weaponry that exists and is used.

 

"In fact, this type of technology is precisely the expertise of Freescale, that has 20 employees on board the missing flight."

 

It also sparked theories the plane could have been taken by North Korea for similarly unknown purposes.

 

A reddit user wrote: “There’s no telling what crazy logic they [North Korea] might have for taking a plane. They literally have no grasp of reality and have been caught red handed kidnapping foreigners, making s**t up and generally being d****es.”

 

Fire

 

One of the most widely held theories is that there was a fire on board that killed all on board but burned out before damaging the exterior of the plane.

This would explain why the aircraft, on auto-pilot, would fly such a long distance off course.

An aviation source said that if this was the case, it would have hit the water at around 600mph after gliding down from 35,000ft.

The source said: “The plane would not have dropped like a stone, it would have glided down from 35,000ft for around 10-12 minutes after it had exhausted its fuel.

“It would have hit the water with a massive impact - as though the plane had landed on concrete. Nobody could have survived that.

 

“There would have been a huge explosion with the wings ripped off and the fuselage would probably have plummeted straight down.”

 

A military take out or secret weapon at work

 

Conspiracy theory and scientific site Natural News, run by Mike Adams, has another theory.

 

Adams said: “If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet, which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence."

 

He added: “If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever controls it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power."

 

He believes the plane fell into an area "outside the search zone" and could lead to a very dark end for Earth.

 

Pilot suicide

 

One explanation for the sudden disappearance, according to some, could be pilot suicide.

 

But so far no evidence has come to light to suggest either captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah or co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid had such intentions.

 

John Brennan, head of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), told the Daily Mail, when asked if it was a possibility: "I think you cannot discount any theory."

 

Malaysian police have attempted to investigate whether any passengers or crew on the plane had personal or psychological problems that might shed light on the mystery.

 

Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said at a news conference: "We are looking at all possibilities."

 

Other theorists have claimed the pilot or crew could have hijacked the plane themselves.

 

But Hugh Dunleavy, the commercial director of Malaysia Airlines, said the captain in charge of the flight was a very seasoned pilot with an excellent record.

 

"There have been absolutely no implications that we are aware of that there was anything untoward in either his behaviour or attitude," Dunleavy told Reuters in an interview.

 

"We have no reason to believe that there was anything, any actions, internally by the crew that caused the disappearance of this aircraft."

Cracks in the aircraft

 

Six months before the plane went down, the U.S. aviation watchdog warned airlines of a problem with cracks in Boeing 777s that could lead to a mid-air break up or a catastrophic drop in pressure.

 

The Federal Aviation Administration issued an alert in September last year giving airlines until April 9 to detect and correct cracking in the fuselage skin on Boeing 777s.

 

The FAA warned that failure to do so would leave the aircraft vulnerable to ‘a rapid decompression and loss of structural integrity’.

 

The organisation issued a final directive just two days before the Malaysia Airlines plane took off and said one airline had found a 16-in crack in the fuselage skin of a 14-year-old plane.

 

However, Boeing said that the FAA alert did not apply to the missing jet because it did not have the same antenna as the rest of the Boeing 777s.

 

SEE MORE.......

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-13-3412956#ixzz2ysVMYZDP

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The aircraft on autopilot altitude hold and tracking, the engines would be fuelled from separate wing tanks with the cross feed valve closed, therefore it would be almost impossible for the engines to cut out simultaneously. One engine fails, autopilot tries to hold height so aircraft loses speed, the live engine forces the aircraft to turn then roll into a inverted dive rolling until the second engine cuts out. However the autopilot will have cut out because of the forces or immediately it's generator failed if the associated engine failed. The aircraft probably breaks up.

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Yet another dead end. Did MF370 really crash in the Ocean off Australia? This latest news only lends fresh weight to the cover up theory.

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/oil-slick-not-from-malaysia-airlines-mh-370-experts-say/story-e6frg6nf-1226888641238

 

 

To be expected really. The plane was in theory out of fuel so none of that to float about, the hydraulic fluids used in that type of aircraft are phosphate esters which don't float and engine oil wouldn't leave a large nappe. Can only have come from a ship.

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Are you guys still treating the Inmarsat data as gospel?

 

Hasn't turned anything up yet, nor has the raw data been independently verified.

 

Well I think we've moved on to the "ping" data now. As you probably know this has been re-analysed and the search area has been drastically reduced, just one little tidbit for you there, it was the US Navy who told them how to reanalyse it..although that may be classified info, hope they don't lock me up in Russia or something.

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Well I think we've moved on to the "ping" data now. As you probably know this has been re-analysed and the search area has but drastically reduced, just one little tidbit for you there, it was the US Navy who told them how to reanalyse it..although that may be classified info, hope they don't lock me up in Russia or something.

 

The ping stuff is all based off the Inmarsat hypothesis, right?

 

And has turned up just as much.

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The ping stuff is all based off the Inmarsat hypothesis, right?

 

And has turned up just as much.

 

No it's based on equipment that listens for ultrasonic signals coming from below the sea. Where to listen for them may or may not be

based on Inmarsat data, that we don't really know.

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But within the range which could be expected from a failing power source. It's in the article.

Why else would there be signals in the correct range of frequencies in that area, oh let me guess; someone put it there to veil the truth...yeah right.

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But within the range which could be expected from a failing power source. It's in the article.

Why else would there be signals in the correct range of frequencies in that area, oh let me guess; someone put it there to veil the truth...yeah right.

 

Could be something else entirely.

 

You Just Don't Know.

 

I accept that. I just find it amusing that you can feast on state-sponsored breadcrumbs.

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If only you had the ability to read a newspaper article in its entirety...

 

Still, MH370 is bound to turn up any day on the tarmac at Diego Garcia. That makes perfect sense.

 

I do have that ability, oddly enough. The skills are transferable, so it works on web pages too.

 

I saw Window Cleaner's qualification about the boxes suddenly transmitting on a different frequency toward the end of their lives. Even if we take that at face value, it's another stretch in a long line of stretches, all with equally fruitless results.

 

The UN tells us that to the best of their knowledge, no airliner crashed, exploded or was detected hitting the water. You may believe that the idea of the plane landing somewhere is fanciful. Intelligence services won't, and that hypothesis grows stronger every day the plane isn't found. You can straw-man Diego Garcia as much as the fancy takes you, but all it really requires is collusion and silence, something the FiveEyes could probably manage, judging from the way they colluded in the PRISM program. Aside from that, I'm not really that interested in DG. Others are doing the idea far more credit, iPhone up the arse story obviously excepted.

 

What I do find interesting is where this leaves Malaysia, in many senses a bit of a problem country for the West. It's a moderate Muslim country that doesn't have nice things to say about the US or Israel, and doesn't admit Israeli citizens as a matter of course. The exposure the authorities have received over MH370 has not painted them in a glowing light. China, the nation that allowed them to stick a couple of fingers the West's way, is the nation most aggrieved by its disappearance. I would not be entirely surprised if there wasn't a new government there soon, potentially with a lot more love for the US's planned "Pivot To Asia" and a lot more tolerance at border control.

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(Warning! Daily Mail article! Britain's least accurate newspaper)

 

Search team may be looking in wrong place amid fresh rumour plane LANDED.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610035/MH370-landed-not-crashed-Indian-Ocean.html

 

Apparently the Israelis have an identical plane in storage in a hangar in Tel Aviv, all sorts of speculation on that notably from the Israel is the root of all evil brigade. Surprised you missed that Pap

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Apparently the Israelis have an identical plane in storage in a hangar in Tel Aviv, all sorts of speculation on that notably from the Israel is the root of all evil brigade. Surprised you missed that Pap

 

I didn't miss this; I just didn't report it on here. I am however, thrilled to see more skeptical posters conducting independent research :)

 

Don't really have a view on it, save it's a fact worth keeping in reserve if anything happens to go down with a plane that looks like MH370.

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I didn't miss this; I just didn't report it on here. I am however, thrilled to see more skeptical posters conducting independent research :)

 

Don't really have a view on it, save it's a fact worth keeping in reserve if anything happens to go down with a plane that looks like MH370.

 

 

Err I didn't actually conduct any independent research, it was discussed at coffee break in the lab this morning. Some of them have some pretty wonky ideas, that's what makes them great scientists I suppose.

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Here is yet another theory, video is just over 6 minutes long.

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b59_1398202841

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

Part of the story seems very feasible and fits into the massive cover up I am sure took place.

 

I don't go for them later flying and crashing the plane in the south Indian ocean. Financial cost would have prevented this if the plane was still intact and would be salvaged and later used.

 

More likely it was the black box that was dropped off into the deepest part of the ocean, never to be found, to confuse and lay a red herring.

 

Meanwhile the plane would have been kept, repainted, disguised and prepared for future use.

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Part of the story seems very feasible and fits into the massive cover up I am sure took place.

 

I don't go for them later flying and crashing the plane in the south Indian ocean. Financial cost would have prevented this if the plane was still intact and would be salvaged and later used.

 

More likely it was the black box that was dropped off into the deepest part of the ocean, never to be found, to confuse and lay a red herring.

 

Meanwhile the plane would have been kept, repainted, disguised and prepared for future use.

 

Why would you drop the box in the ocean if it's never to be found?

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:) Cheers pap.

 

If the mystery of MH370 is never solved – I’m beginning to think it won’t be – at least you’ve added a phrase to my lexicon that I’m determined to casually slip into conversation at least once before I die.

 

Ah, prestidigitation is great, isn't it? Think I picked that up from reading The God Delusion. Blame Hawkins!

 

However, I'm inclined to agree that this will likely not be solved. It's already starting to disappear from the daily news rotation. There seem to be innumerable unresolved details, chief amongst them the fate of the plane. We've been told that data is authoritative (Inmarsat) without any chance of independent review and despite the fact that nothing has turned up.

 

My view is that one or more nation states know a lot more than they're letting on.

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