lordswoodsaints Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4008467.Saganowski_could_be_in_to_face_United/ good or bad? he has played a couple of times against them in recent weeks so that might help us out but he has only scored 5 times in 24 which is not a great return. depends how he is used at the end of the day i suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4008467.Saganowski_could_be_in_to_face_United/ good or bad? he has played a couple of times against them in recent weeks so that might help us out but he has only scored 5 times in 24 which is not a great return. depends how he is used at the end of the day i suppose. would be more excited by Rasiaks return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4008467.Saganowski_could_be_in_to_face_United/ good or bad? he has played a couple of times against them in recent weeks so that might help us out but he has only scored 5 times in 24 which is not a great return. depends how he is used at the end of the day i suppose. Not really sure about this it will all depend on how he want's to perform I guess. He didn't score many last year for us & not set the world alight for Aalborg. All we can hope is he comes back with a point to prove & scores like the first time he arived lets hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Given Robertson and Peckhart have gone, we don't actually have too many options. If it was down to me Saga would start with McGoaldrought playing behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Given Robertson and Peckhart have gone, we don't actually have too many options. If it was down to me Saga would start with McGoaldrought playing behind him. Concur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 He has to get international clearance first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 It might spur the ego on legs that is Mcgoldrick to earn his ****ing wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 What worries me is some of Jan's responses at the AGM to player selections. If my memory serves me correct, he seemed to prefer playing younger players with younger players because they "read each other better". For me, this probably means he's unlikely to start him, even if he is a world apart to our current strikers. For me, he's an intelligent player and we could really benefit from his presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 I really hope he plays and hits the ground running. We need a fit and up for it Saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 If Saga has the passion and the desire to play for us then that can only be a good thing. With Pekhart returning to Spurs and Robertson leaving, we actually have very few options up top. Maybe McGoldrick in the hole with Saga as the lone striker could work? Or even Saga out wide right? One thing is for sure, a fully fit Saga would provide a massive boost to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Given Robertson and Peckhart have gone, we don't actually have too many options. If it was down to me Saga would start with McGoaldrought playing behind him. I'd agree with that, if he can find the form from two years ago when we first got him we might just win some home games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 I'd really, really like to see Saga given a long extended run in the team as our first choice striker, as McG has enjoyed. McG has given relatively little return for JP's patience and support. I would bet that with the same number of games and the same confidence that his place is secure regardless, Saga's return would be much greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Maybe he will find the championship a bit easier than the champions league and start scoring for fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4008467.Saganowski_could_be_in_to_face_United/ good or bad? he has played a couple of times against them in recent weeks so that might help us out but he has only scored 5 times in 24 which is not a great return. depends how he is used at the end of the day i suppose. Havent you heard ? There are "international clearance" issues Nothing to do at all with wanting to prevent him being cup-tied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 He has to get international clearance first R, do you want to explain to us why a player already registered to SFC needs "clearance" to play for us ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 on loan his registration moves, he is still owned and contracted to us. Guess the registration was delayed until it was firmly confirmed he was returning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 on loan his registration moves, he is still owned and contracted to us. Guess the registration was delayed until it was firmly confirmed he was returning Of course it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 always happy to help you understand and expand your limited football knowledge, no problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 always happy to help you understand and expand your limited football knowledge, no problem How much are you being paid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 (edited) Has anyone, as an appointed offical of Southampton Football Club or Southampton Leisure Holdings plc, made an attributable quote that indicates that because his loan has finished, Marek Saganowski has any sort of future at the club and that a new loan club is not being feverishly sought ? Someone want to explain how we can suddenly afford his wages ? No ? You do surprise me.... Edited 30 December, 2008 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 I suspect that the Man U game is the ideal shop window for Saga, albeit one which might cup-tie him. And I suspect this is Lowe's game plan. By the way, is anyone else dismayed that we never seem to get managers who do the decent thing and resign when they reap one point in a million? Even Paul Jewell did it, and Derby's record is way better than ours. Obviously we can't afford to pay him off, even on his tiny wages, and there is also the not inconsiderable matter of the dent it would make in Lowe's colossal ego in a public admission that he was wrong to follow Sir Clive's big idea. Sorry, made that last bit up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 (edited) Isn't international clearance just a bit of paper. Its just a formality its even need if you buy someone from Wales. I didn't realise it was required for loaned out players though, would like to be enlighten. I would like Saga to come back and bang in loads of goals to prove Lowe wrong. Edited 30 December, 2008 by Fan The Flames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voteforpedro Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Isn't international clearance just a bit of paper. Its just a formality its even need if you buy someone from Wales. I didn't realise it was required for loaned out players though, would like to be enlighten. I would like Saga to come back and bang in loads of goals to prove Lowe wrong. But more importantly to help us stay up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 How much are you being paid ? I see you as a charity case, thanks for the offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 Isn't international clearance just a bit of paper. Its just a formality its even need if you buy someone from Wales. I didn't realise it was required for loaned out players though, would like to be enlighten. I would like Saga to come back and bang in loads of goals to prove Lowe wrong. If it is just a piece of paper, it means we have been lied to about the time required. I doubt the Danish FA is on a three-week holiday, and the end of this loan period has been known for 3 months. I also have my suspicions about the need for it when we own the player, and it has been a fixed period from the start... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 If it is just a piece of paper, it means we have been lied to about the time required. I doubt the Danish FA is on a three-week holiday, and the end of this loan period has been known for 3 months. I also have my suspicions about the need for it when we own the player, and it has been a fixed period from the start... http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesAndRegulations/Additional/Postings/2003/11/InternationalTransfers.htm International clearance is just a certificate faxed from one national association to another. This bit I'm guessing, regardless of ownership to play in a national association's league you would have to be registered there so when Saga went out on loan he was registered by the new association and now he is coming back he has to be registered by the FA and this requires the International Transfer Certificate. It does say on the FA website that this can take time and is dependant of the efficiency of the foreign FA. However there is still plenty of time for the certificate to be faxed over. The only thing against us is that Saga is a returning loanee and there is no advantage for Aalborg to push the transfer through, ie no transfer fee. Lets just hope that Lowe has the fax at St Marys switched on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 shows the obsessed paranoia on here about lowe and os. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 If he is fit I'd play him. If he does well we might be able to sell him for some much needed money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graymalkin33 Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 I suspect that the Man U game is the ideal shop window for Saga, albeit one which might cup-tie him. And I suspect this is Lowe's game plan. By the way, is anyone else dismayed that we never seem to get managers who do the decent thing and resign when they reap one point in a million? Even Paul Jewell did it, and Derby's record is way better than ours. Obviously we can't afford to pay him off, even on his tiny wages, and there is also the not inconsiderable matter of the dent it would make in Lowe's colossal ego in a public admission that he was wrong to follow Sir Clive's big idea. Sorry, made that last bit up. I agree with the first point but the second is just too much. Jewell did the honourable thing by resigning after poor results. The difference between him and Jan is that Jewell has basically bought an entire squad of players at quite a cost. Jan has bought one player, rest are free and loans and by no means numbering the kind of figures Jewell had brought in. Give Jan a break. Id like to see ANYONE do a better job with what he has at his disposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 Saga to play against Man Utd? Hmmm....Here's hoping Saga isn't on the Nathan Dyer "3 days off" training plan then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 31 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 31 December, 2008 If it is just a piece of paper, it means we have been lied to about the time required. I doubt the Danish FA is on a three-week holiday, and the end of this loan period has been known for 3 months. I also have my suspicions about the need for it when we own the player, and it has been a fixed period from the start... does it really matter?,i dont care if he is coming back to play or coming back to be sold,either way it can only benefit us.if we need clearance we need clearance,if it comes through on time then all well and good,if not then what have we lost? get your head out of your arse alpine and at least sometimes try and pull in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 Given Robertson and Peckhart have gone, we don't actually have too many options. If it was down to me Saga would start with McGoaldrought playing behind him. I agree, we have very few options left and if Saga is staying should be given an extended run. But the big problem we have is a front man and Saga is not that man, better playing off the front man. Whether he will make much difference is anyone's opinion, but he must be tried if he is to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-ross Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 Jan is quoted in the sun as stating Saga will be a big addition to the squad. Would indicate he is well in his plans, but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 always happy to help you understand and expand your limited football knowledge, no problem But it's you who have got it all wrong. Are you not familiar with the FA rules regarding the signing/playing of players? Rule 1.1 Manchester United may sign any player they wish, of any ability, from any tin-pot country and without their having played for that tin-pot country. Rule 27.1 Southampton may not play any player, even from a member country of the European Union, regardless of the number of times they have represented that country, and regardless of whether or not the player is already registered with the club, without the express approval of the FA and Sir Alex Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 As far as I'm aware international clearance can only be given twice in one season per player. Just like our transfers, a player cannot be registered for more than 2 clubs per season. Given there are no signs there has been a request from us, it suggests we are still seeking to move him on. He may be just passing through! If we did apply, he would be stuck here until the end of the season. Does Rupert want that? Time will tell:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 Would be great if Saga stays for the next six months, I think he could work well up top with McGoldrick or Lallana in the hole. Holmes and Dyer on the flanks and we might start scoring enough goals to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 Lets just hope that Lowe has the fax at St Marys switched on. Hmmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 does it really matter?,i dont care if he is coming back to play or coming back to be sold,either way it can only benefit us.if we need clearance we need clearance,if it comes through on time then all well and good,if not then what have we lost? get your head out of your arse alpine and at least sometimes try and pull in the right direction. What's the right direction ? Agree with you and the Luvvies ? Sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 How much are you being paid ? I can quickly answer this for you, he charges me £50 a night and it's worth every penny. Hope Saga proves the critics wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 1 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2009 What's the right direction ? Agree with you and the Luvvies ? Sweet. just agreeing with at least one other saints fan would be a start ,ive never seen you agree with anybody,there must be somebody out there who has the same great,forward thinking ideals as you :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeleye Saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 just agreeing with at least one other saints fan would be a start ,ive never seen you agree with anybody,there must be somebody out there who has the same great,forward thinking ideals as you :rolleyes: Havent been an avid follower of my posts then. But back to the subject... In the light of what has happened with Dyer coming back from Sheffied and immediately going to Swansea, does anyone REALLY believe Saganowski is going to make some Lazarus like comeback for us ? He'll be gone by the end of next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 2 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Havent been an avid follower of my posts then. But back to the subject... In the light of what has happened with Dyer coming back from Sheffied and immediately going to Swansea, does anyone REALLY believe Saganowski is going to make some Lazarus like comeback for us ? He'll be gone by the end of next week. im not fussed if he does or not tbh,he hasnt exactly set the world alight,in fact i wouldnt care less if he was sold,loaned or played,he is never going to be a prolific striker and im not sure if he even deserves a starting place. but saying all of that his work off of the ball is good and he could bring McG into the game a bit more which can only be a good thing. oh,and no im not an avid follower of your posts but i am willing to give it a go....perhaps you just need a hug from old lordswood:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 im not fussed if he does or not tbh,he hasnt exactly set the world alight,in fact i wouldnt care less if he was sold,loaned or played,he is never going to be a prolific striker and im not sure if he even deserves a starting place. but saying all of that his work off of the ball is good and he could bring McG into the game a bit more which can only be a good thing. oh,and no im not an avid follower of your posts but i am willing to give it a go....perhaps you just need a hug from old lordswood:-) Well you need a slap round the face from me... You say you are not fussed about Saga, but we have NO money to buy a forward - where are the goals to keep us up going to come from ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Saga won't be involved in the first team this month while dictator Lowe has a chance of loaning or selling him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 He isn't exactly prolific is he? He pulled his finger out to get that contract a couple of seasons ago, but is nearly as goal-shy as McGoldrick. He could never play up front on his own - at best he seemed to play in the hole or as a target man to feed someone in a 4-4-2. Do Do Do Marek Saganowski! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Havent been an avid follower of my posts then. But back to the subject... In the light of what has happened with Dyer coming back from Sheffied and immediately going to Swansea, does anyone REALLY believe Saganowski is going to make some Lazarus like comeback for us ? He'll be gone by the end of next week. Only if someone is prepared to match his wages surely. I'm sure this is what happened with Euell - we offered him around but there were no takers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Havent been an avid follower of my posts then. But back to the subject... In the light of what has happened with Dyer coming back from Sheffied and immediately going to Swansea, does anyone REALLY believe Saganowski is going to make some Lazarus like comeback for us ? He'll be gone by the end of next week. lets hope so, perhaps then we will have some money available for a CB or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 lets hope so, perhaps then we will have some money available for a CB or two. You want rid of our best striker (bit like saying genital warts is the best STD) and bring in a CB??? Don't get me wrong, we are not strong at the back, but our other striking options are Pato, BWP and McGoalkick. If Saga goes and we don't replace him with someone at least as good (Robertson that's not you) we WILL go down IMO. No doubt about it. If Cork and Dyer leaving means he stays, then I'm fine with that, even if Saga only manages another 5 goals this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 (edited) You want rid of our best striker (bit like saying genital warts is the best STD) and bring in a CB??? Don't get me wrong, we are not strong at the back, but our other striking options are Pato, BWP and McGoalkick. If Saga goes and we don't replace him with someone at least as good (Robertson that's not you) we WILL go down IMO. No doubt about it. I don't want to go over the whole Saga arguement again, we both know where we stand on that one, but for me we are weak as **** at the back. Perry is too small and slow. He does a job, but he costs you goals from set peices due to his lack of height. Lancashire is work in progress. One day he will be a very good player but not for two or three seasons. James is the worst headerer of a ball I have seen in a long time, is slow and is still learning the role. Mills is short and reckless, I have no idea about Molyneux. They are our first choice back four - unless Killer breaks the cycle. Also there is next to no cover with no right back or CBs in waiting. Defenders are much higher priority than strikers IMO. Therefore if it means we can sign two big defenders on loan then I wouldn't blink twice at Saga going out again. In Patterson I think we have a player that can lead the line. I'd happily play BWP alongside him or Lallana/McGoldrick behind him. Much rather that than face watching Lancashire and Perry injured or not. Edited 2 January, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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