Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

[Sir Ralph]

52 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Again, the whole "I have gay friends" defense is laughable and the last solace of a guilty mind.

I would suggest reading the Pink News article above, and would like you to honestly say, hand on heart, that she believed gay people should be treated the same as straight people.

I also didn't label you a child killer. I said would you prefer to give a little bit of additional money to families with children to stop child poverty and ensure that more children survived, or not. You wouldn't answer I seem to remember.

And I quote (following various rants calling me a c bomb plus other things)…..I’m “evil” for my view on the 2 child benefit cap. You’re Easily offended so your reaction to Widdecombe isn’t surprising 

“Mate, you would prefer kids to be in poverty than to allow people child benefit for if they have more than 2 kids, and as the above studies prove, child poverty causes child deaths.

That's bordering on evil, so don't you dare try to take the high road.”

Edited 23 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[hypochondriac]

44 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

It wasn't my first reaction TBF, my first reaction was on the other thread.

As far as I'm concerned, they are both cunts, one more extreme than the other, but nevertheless both on that side of the divide.

Don't worry though, I'll make sure the next time I look to criticise someone I'll ensure I ask you and Sir Ralph to decide whether or not you condone me reacting in that way about someone.

You can post what you like you don't have to consult anyone. I'm also free to say how I believe it makes you come accross.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Mustang Saint said:

When H from Steps was murdered in prison a few months ago

 

I would say clearly not?

It was tongue in cheek, FFS.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

And I quote (following various rants calling me a c bomb plus other things)…..I’m “evil” for my view on the 2 child benefit cap. You’re Easily offended so your reaction to Widdecombe isn’t surprising 

“Mate, you would prefer kids to be in poverty than to allow people child benefit for if they have more than 2 kids, and as the above studies prove, child poverty causes child deaths.

That's bordering on evil, so don't you dare try to take the high road.”

Yup. Defo stand by that.

[Farmer Saint]

If people are offended by my use of language, then I apologise, but let's not re-write history because she was the victim of a horrific murder.

She left the Conservatives because they weren't fascist enough for her. Her views and discrimination against homosexuals through voting record, quotes etc means that I think she was an appalling person. Having abhorrent opinions doesn't protect you from being criticised, even if you're dead.

[Sir Ralph]

6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

If people are offended by my use of language, then I apologise, but let's not re-write history because she was the victim of a horrific murder.

She left the Conservatives because they weren't fascist enough for her. Her views and discrimination against homosexuals through voting record, quotes etc means that I think she was an appalling person. Having abhorrent opinions doesn't protect you from being criticised, even if you're dead.

The difference is that I think your threshold for what a “c bomb” is or a “facist” is lower than a lot of people, particularly people who disagree with you. It’s about tolerance of an alternative viewpoint without getting abusive. Anyway we all agree it’s a sad state of affairs that people with different political views are being attacked

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[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

The difference is that I think your threshold for what a “c bomb” is or a “facist” is lower than a lot of people, particularly people who disagree with you. It’s about tolerance of an alternative viewpoint without getting abusive. Anyway we all agree it’s a sad state of affairs that people with different political views are being attacked

Have you read what she has said? You obviously don't think homophobia is an issue. If this was racism would you support her views?

Edited 20 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[badgerx16]

I think that Ms Widdecombe's attitudes and opinions show the danger of placing too much faith (!) in religious dogma.

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I think that Ms Widdecombe's attitudes and opinions show the danger of placing too much faith (!) in religious dogma.

I wouldn’t have said some of the things she did. However I think we should be looking as well about how she treated others. Those that knew her, including those from the gay community, have only said positive things. To me that’s says a lot about someone’s character.

Edited 20 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I wouldn’t have said some of the things she did. However I think we should be looking as well about how she treated others. Those that knew her, including those from the gay community, have only said positive things. To me that’s says a lot about someone’s character.

I think her less socially acceptable, ( in a more tolerant inclusive modern society ). views were driven by her position as a Catholic convert; generally converts to a religion tend towards the more zealous "traditional" values of their chosen faith.

[egg]

19 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I wouldn’t have said some of the things she did. However I think we should be looking as well about how she treated others. Those that knew her, including those from the gay community, have only said positive things. To me that’s says a lot about someone’s character.

I get that. For me, this discussion about her is absurd. Simply, an old lady was murdered in her own home. Some people thought her decent, others not, others ambivalent. Anyone is entitled to feel whatever they like about her, and voice their view.

The last couple of pages have been largely ridiculous. 

[The Kraken]

RIP H from Steps.

[whelk]

Nothing so hateful and spiteful as a trans activist

[bpsaint]

9 hours ago, whelk said:

Nothing so hateful and spiteful as a trans activist

The “tolerant” left.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

The “tolerant” left.

Not necessarily left TBF.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

The “tolerant” left.

Grow up sunshine. It’s a trans activist who is about to get the sack from their job, become unemployable and rightly so. Seen their poor behaviour at University of Sussex with the Kathleen Stock case and they’re politically toxic because of that and SM posts like this. Not even Corbyn’s oddballs want them on board. I don’t have any issues with 
trans people in general at all and the level of press focus on what is probably 0.05 of the population is weird, but the activists are a really unpleasant bunch on the whole from experience.

Nothing to do with left/right/centre though (I vote Lib Dem and have voted Tory as well, never Labour). Shall I call you far right and a flag shagger as a comparative and equally stereotype?

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[Gloucester Saint]

11 hours ago, whelk said:

Nothing so hateful and spiteful as a trans activist

It’s vile and they’ll (the pronouns they love) be having a meeting with HR soon. Cheerio 👋 

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It’s vile and they’ll (the pronouns they love) be having a meeting with HR soon. Cheerio 👋 

Yep, this is where social media is a bitch.

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

Yep, this is where social media is a bitch.

When it started to become mainstream, we were given a briefing at work as we were expected to use it to promote and generate income, but with a clear warning from the media and legal teams ‘whatever you post on there, nothing is ever truly deleted’.

That stayed with me and you look at the likes of Ollie Robinson in the cricket, various politicians and pretty much every Reform council candidate and it’s still true. 

[egg]

20 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not necessarily left TBF.

Indeed. I don't think being Trans or horrible means that you have a particular place on the political spectrum.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

The “tolerant” left.

As if the "right" is any better.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjrgewl70pyo

"An alleged right-wing terror threat to an Islamic event at a country estate in Suffolk has left people reeling"

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

As if the "right" is any better.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjrgewl70pyo

"An alleged right-wing terror threat to an Islamic event at a country estate in Suffolk has left people reeling"

It’s almost as if we’ve been warned previously that there are some very dangerous individuals and groups active in the social media age from a spectrum of different ideologies. The common denominator as that they’re all as warped as each other.

[Farmer Saint]

40 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It’s almost as if we’ve been warned previously that there are some very dangerous individuals and groups active in the social media age from a spectrum of different ideologies. The common denominator as that they’re all as warped as each other.

Can't be true, only brown people do that kind of stuff. 

[rallyboy]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Can't be true, only brown people do that kind of stuff. 

That's incorrect, all nationalities do these things, but we're only meant to be angry about the brown people as that suits the agenda and appeals to the thickest in society who have been told their life is shit because of scary strangers.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Indeed. I don't think being Trans or horrible means that you have a particular place on the political spectrum.

perhaps on another spectrum though

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

perhaps on another spectrum though

Initial studies have found some correlation and overlaps, especially to autism, it’ll be interesting to see how that topic develops over time. 

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[egg]

12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

perhaps on another spectrum though

Yep, I think there's something in that.