Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

[Sir Ralph]

52 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Again, the whole "I have gay friends" defense is laughable and the last solace of a guilty mind.

I would suggest reading the Pink News article above, and would like you to honestly say, hand on heart, that she believed gay people should be treated the same as straight people.

I also didn't label you a child killer. I said would you prefer to give a little bit of additional money to families with children to stop child poverty and ensure that more children survived, or not. You wouldn't answer I seem to remember.

And I quote (following various rants calling me a c bomb plus other things)…..I’m “evil” for my view on the 2 child benefit cap. You’re Easily offended so your reaction to Widdecombe isn’t surprising 

“Mate, you would prefer kids to be in poverty than to allow people child benefit for if they have more than 2 kids, and as the above studies prove, child poverty causes child deaths.

That's bordering on evil, so don't you dare try to take the high road.”

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[hypochondriac]

44 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

It wasn't my first reaction TBF, my first reaction was on the other thread.

As far as I'm concerned, they are both cunts, one more extreme than the other, but nevertheless both on that side of the divide.

Don't worry though, I'll make sure the next time I look to criticise someone I'll ensure I ask you and Sir Ralph to decide whether or not you condone me reacting in that way about someone.

You can post what you like you don't have to consult anyone. I'm also free to say how I believe it makes you come accross.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Mustang Saint said:

When H from Steps was murdered in prison a few months ago

 

I would say clearly not?

It was tongue in cheek, FFS.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

And I quote (following various rants calling me a c bomb plus other things)…..I’m “evil” for my view on the 2 child benefit cap. You’re Easily offended so your reaction to Widdecombe isn’t surprising 

“Mate, you would prefer kids to be in poverty than to allow people child benefit for if they have more than 2 kids, and as the above studies prove, child poverty causes child deaths.

That's bordering on evil, so don't you dare try to take the high road.”

Yup. Defo stand by that.

[Farmer Saint]

If people are offended by my use of language, then I apologise, but let's not re-write history because she was the victim of a horrific murder.

She left the Conservatives because they weren't fascist enough for her. Her views and discrimination against homosexuals through voting record, quotes etc means that I think she was an appalling person. Having abhorrent opinions doesn't protect you from being criticised, even if you're dead.

[Sir Ralph]

6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

If people are offended by my use of language, then I apologise, but let's not re-write history because she was the victim of a horrific murder.

She left the Conservatives because they weren't fascist enough for her. Her views and discrimination against homosexuals through voting record, quotes etc means that I think she was an appalling person. Having abhorrent opinions doesn't protect you from being criticised, even if you're dead.

The difference is that I think your threshold for what a “c bomb” is or a “facist” is lower than a lot of people, particularly people who disagree with you. It’s about tolerance of an alternative viewpoint without getting abusive. Anyway we all agree it’s a sad state of affairs that people with different political views are being attacked

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[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

The difference is that I think your threshold for what a “c bomb” is or a “facist” is lower than a lot of people, particularly people who disagree with you. It’s about tolerance of an alternative viewpoint without getting abusive. Anyway we all agree it’s a sad state of affairs that people with different political views are being attacked

Have you read what she has said? You obviously don't think homophobia is an issue. If this was racism would you support her views?

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[badgerx16]

I think that Ms Widdecombe's attitudes and opinions show the danger of placing too much faith (!) in religious dogma.

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I think that Ms Widdecombe's attitudes and opinions show the danger of placing too much faith (!) in religious dogma.

I wouldn’t have said some of the things she did. However I think we should be looking as well about how she treated others. Those that knew her, including those from the gay community, have only said positive things. To me that’s says a lot about someone’s character.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I wouldn’t have said some of the things she did. However I think we should be looking as well about how she treated others. Those that knew her, including those from the gay community, have only said positive things. To me that’s says a lot about someone’s character.

I think her less socially acceptable, ( in a more tolerant inclusive modern society ). views were driven by her position as a Catholic convert; generally converts to a religion tend towards the more zealous "traditional" values of their chosen faith.

[egg]

19 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I wouldn’t have said some of the things she did. However I think we should be looking as well about how she treated others. Those that knew her, including those from the gay community, have only said positive things. To me that’s says a lot about someone’s character.

I get that. For me, this discussion about her is absurd. Simply, an old lady was murdered in her own home. Some people thought her decent, others not, others ambivalent. Anyone is entitled to feel whatever they like about her, and voice their view.

The last couple of pages have been largely ridiculous.