Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

[Sir Ralph]

52 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Again, the whole "I have gay friends" defense is laughable and the last solace of a guilty mind.

I would suggest reading the Pink News article above, and would like you to honestly say, hand on heart, that she believed gay people should be treated the same as straight people.

I also didn't label you a child killer. I said would you prefer to give a little bit of additional money to families with children to stop child poverty and ensure that more children survived, or not. You wouldn't answer I seem to remember.

And I quote (following various rants calling me a c bomb plus other things)…..I’m “evil” for my view on the 2 child benefit cap. You’re Easily offended so your reaction to Widdecombe isn’t surprising 

“Mate, you would prefer kids to be in poverty than to allow people child benefit for if they have more than 2 kids, and as the above studies prove, child poverty causes child deaths.

That's bordering on evil, so don't you dare try to take the high road.”

Edited yesterday at 09:25 by Sir Ralph

[hypochondriac]

44 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

It wasn't my first reaction TBF, my first reaction was on the other thread.

As far as I'm concerned, they are both cunts, one more extreme than the other, but nevertheless both on that side of the divide.

Don't worry though, I'll make sure the next time I look to criticise someone I'll ensure I ask you and Sir Ralph to decide whether or not you condone me reacting in that way about someone.

You can post what you like you don't have to consult anyone. I'm also free to say how I believe it makes you come accross.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Mustang Saint said:

When H from Steps was murdered in prison a few months ago

 

I would say clearly not?

It was tongue in cheek, FFS.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

And I quote (following various rants calling me a c bomb plus other things)…..I’m “evil” for my view on the 2 child benefit cap. You’re Easily offended so your reaction to Widdecombe isn’t surprising 

“Mate, you would prefer kids to be in poverty than to allow people child benefit for if they have more than 2 kids, and as the above studies prove, child poverty causes child deaths.

That's bordering on evil, so don't you dare try to take the high road.”

Yup. Defo stand by that.

[Farmer Saint]

If people are offended by my use of language, then I apologise, but let's not re-write history because she was the victim of a horrific murder.

She left the Conservatives because they weren't fascist enough for her. Her views and discrimination against homosexuals through voting record, quotes etc means that I think she was an appalling person. Having abhorrent opinions doesn't protect you from being criticised, even if you're dead.

[Sir Ralph]

6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

If people are offended by my use of language, then I apologise, but let's not re-write history because she was the victim of a horrific murder.

She left the Conservatives because they weren't fascist enough for her. Her views and discrimination against homosexuals through voting record, quotes etc means that I think she was an appalling person. Having abhorrent opinions doesn't protect you from being criticised, even if you're dead.

The difference is that I think your threshold for what a “c bomb” is or a “facist” is lower than a lot of people, particularly people who disagree with you. It’s about tolerance of an alternative viewpoint without getting abusive. Anyway we all agree it’s a sad state of affairs that people with different political views are being attacked

Edited yesterday at 11:32 by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

The difference is that I think your threshold for what a “c bomb” is or a “facist” is lower than a lot of people, particularly people who disagree with you. It’s about tolerance of an alternative viewpoint without getting abusive. Anyway we all agree it’s a sad state of affairs that people with different political views are being attacked

Have you read what she has said? You obviously don't think homophobia is an issue. If this was racism would you support her views?

Edited yesterday at 11:39 by Farmer Saint

[badgerx16]

I think that Ms Widdecombe's attitudes and opinions show the danger of placing too much faith (!) in religious dogma.

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I think that Ms Widdecombe's attitudes and opinions show the danger of placing too much faith (!) in religious dogma.

I wouldn’t have said some of the things she did. However I think we should be looking as well about how she treated others. Those that knew her, including those from the gay community, have only said positive things. To me that’s says a lot about someone’s character.

Edited yesterday at 12:00 by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I wouldn’t have said some of the things she did. However I think we should be looking as well about how she treated others. Those that knew her, including those from the gay community, have only said positive things. To me that’s says a lot about someone’s character.

I think her less socially acceptable, ( in a more tolerant inclusive modern society ). views were driven by her position as a Catholic convert; generally converts to a religion tend towards the more zealous "traditional" values of their chosen faith.

[egg]

19 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I wouldn’t have said some of the things she did. However I think we should be looking as well about how she treated others. Those that knew her, including those from the gay community, have only said positive things. To me that’s says a lot about someone’s character.

I get that. For me, this discussion about her is absurd. Simply, an old lady was murdered in her own home. Some people thought her decent, others not, others ambivalent. Anyone is entitled to feel whatever they like about her, and voice their view.

The last couple of pages have been largely ridiculous. 

[The Kraken]

RIP H from Steps.

[whelk]

Nothing so hateful and spiteful as a trans activist

[bpsaint]

9 hours ago, whelk said:

Nothing so hateful and spiteful as a trans activist

The “tolerant” left.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

The “tolerant” left.

Not necessarily left TBF.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

The “tolerant” left.

Grow up sunshine. It’s a trans activist who is about to get the sack from their job, become unemployable and rightly so. Seen their poor behaviour at University of Sussex with the Kathleen Stock case and they’re politically toxic because of that and SM posts like this. Not even Corbyn’s oddballs want them on board. I don’t have any issues with 
trans people in general at all and the level of press focus on what is probably 0.05 of the population is weird, but the activists are a really unpleasant bunch on the whole from experience.

Nothing to do with left/right/centre though (I vote Lib Dem and have voted Tory as well, never Labour). Shall I call you far right and a flag shagger as a comparative and equally stereotype?

Edited 10 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

11 hours ago, whelk said:

Nothing so hateful and spiteful as a trans activist

It’s vile and they’ll (the pronouns they love) be having a meeting with HR soon. Cheerio 👋 

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It’s vile and they’ll (the pronouns they love) be having a meeting with HR soon. Cheerio 👋 

Yep, this is where social media is a bitch.

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

Yep, this is where social media is a bitch.

When it started to become mainstream, we were given a briefing at work as we were expected to use it to promote and generate income, but with a clear warning from the media and legal teams ‘whatever you post on there, nothing is ever truly deleted’.

That stayed with me and you look at the likes of Ollie Robinson in the cricket, various politicians and pretty much every Reform council candidate and it’s still true. 

[egg]

20 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not necessarily left TBF.

Indeed. I don't think being Trans or horrible means that you have a particular place on the political spectrum.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

The “tolerant” left.

As if the "right" is any better.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjrgewl70pyo

"An alleged right-wing terror threat to an Islamic event at a country estate in Suffolk has left people reeling"

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

As if the "right" is any better.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjrgewl70pyo

"An alleged right-wing terror threat to an Islamic event at a country estate in Suffolk has left people reeling"

It’s almost as if we’ve been warned previously that there are some very dangerous individuals and groups active in the social media age from a spectrum of different ideologies. The common denominator as that they’re all as warped as each other.

[Farmer Saint]

40 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It’s almost as if we’ve been warned previously that there are some very dangerous individuals and groups active in the social media age from a spectrum of different ideologies. The common denominator as that they’re all as warped as each other.

Can't be true, only brown people do that kind of stuff. 

[rallyboy]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Can't be true, only brown people do that kind of stuff. 

That's incorrect, all nationalities do these things, but we're only meant to be angry about the brown people as that suits the agenda and appeals to the thickest in society who have been told their life is shit because of scary strangers.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Indeed. I don't think being Trans or horrible means that you have a particular place on the political spectrum.

perhaps on another spectrum though

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

perhaps on another spectrum though

Initial studies have found some correlation and overlaps, especially to autism, it’ll be interesting to see how that topic develops over time. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[egg]

12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

perhaps on another spectrum though

Yep, I think there's something in that. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

13 hours ago, whelk said:

Nothing so hateful and spiteful as a trans activist

Herbert's follow up comments:-

"Herbert has not apologised for the remarks.

Speaking after being contacted by student newspaper The Gaudie, she said: “I don’t want to see anyone murdered, but I’m still glad she is dead.

“I’m not a hypocrite. I posted that before the murder investigation was launched.

“I’m a nobody. I have no power to do anything. Ann Widdecombe was able to and made the lives of ordinary people hell.”

She added: “Nobody appears to care – I also celebrated the death of the leader of Iran.”

 

Employer, a Uni, investigating.
Police have also had a look, but have said no criminality.

 

Elsewhere, JK Rowling had set up a rape crisis centre after her city's one, was run by a man self identifying as a woman, offered support only to vulnerable women who agreed with their ideology.

She was at the forefront of challenging the government, which in no small way helped to drag authorities into checking what they had signed up to had any scientific or legal basis.

That has got her organisation put on Amnesty International's briefing entitled "A growing threat" and calling her "anti rights"

Amnesty have scurried put to pretend it was all a mistake, that would of course have been normally stopped in editing. Presumably, they'll be making similar statements about the other organisations that are taking action, having been listed.

Another, in a long line on lots of issues, group that ploughs on blindly on issues that it's either been captured on, or simply doesn't understand. 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

That's incorrect, all nationalities do these things, but we're only meant to be angry about the brown people as that suits the agenda and appeals to the thickest in society who have been told their life is shit because of scary strangers.

Ah, sorry, yes, forgot that important distinction.

[pingpong]

23 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

I think that Ms Widdecombe's attitudes and opinions show the danger of placing too much faith (!) in religious dogma.

I don't believe in god, but I had a mate who was really into god and Christianity, but it was only to appear trendy and cool, it was all just for show. I'm ok with that I guess, but think it is important to state that a Christ is for life, and not just for dogmas.

[iansums]

4 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Can't be true, only brown people do that kind of stuff. 

Honestly mate, why do you constantly have to bring up colour and more specifically 'brown', have you shat yourself or something?

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, iansums said:

Honestly mate, why do you constantly have to bring up colour and more specifically 'brown', have you shat yourself or something?

Because it's a theme on this site, and I'm calling it out.

[iansums]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Because it's a theme on this site, and I'm calling it out.

Only one or two posters, surely?

[whelk]

22 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Because it's a theme on this site, and I'm calling it out.

Be careful you don’t get like SOG and become obsessed with white rapists and paedophiles to make a point

[Farmer Saint]

24 minutes ago, iansums said:

Only one or two posters, surely?

Probably 4 or 5, but they're very active.

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, whelk said:

Be careful you don’t get like SOG and become obsessed with white rapists and paedophiles to make a point

True, true. There are lessons to be learnt.

[The Kraken]

Who are the 4 or 5?

[iansums]

11 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Who are the 4 or 5?

iansums is one, racist wanker!

[Sheaf Saint]

7 hours ago, bpsaint said:

The “tolerant” left.

I'm not defending this person or endorsing what they said (and have since doubled down on), because it was extremely crass and unnecessary.

However, on the general subject of tolerance that you raise, it brings to mind Karl Popper's paradox of tolerance, and the notion that unlimited tolerance should not be extended to those who are themselves intolerant. To do so only provides greater freedom for people to promote intolerant ideologies. 

It's fair to say that many of the views that Widdecombe held could be considered intolerant. But those views should be opposed through reasoned argument and political discourse, rather than snidey personal attacks on someone who has been brutally murdered, and it's unfair to tar the entire 'tolerant left' with the same brush as this particularly hateful person.

[aintforever]

48 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Probably 4 or 5, but they're very active.

Yep. I think we all know what his thread would have been like if the perpetrator had brown skin, been an immigrant or was a muslim.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Because it's a theme on this site, and I'm calling it out.

Fuck me you sound like SOG

[Farmer Saint]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Fuck me you sound like SOG

True, I will tone it down.

[iansums]

31 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Fuck me you sound like SOG

I did say he was deputising for him.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, iansums said:

iansums is one, racist wanker!

Good job people like him are not allowed to vote.

[bpsaint]

8 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

As if the "right" is any better.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjrgewl70pyo

"An alleged right-wing terror threat to an Islamic event at a country estate in Suffolk has left people reeling"

We know all about the far right - the far left seem to consider themselves morally superior though when they’re just as dangerous, if not more so than the right IMO.

[Gloucester Saint]

52 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

We know all about the far right - the far left seem to consider themselves morally superior though when they’re just as dangerous, if not more so than the right IMO.

Everybody on the extremes considers themselves superior - ‘you lot all welcome immigrants with open arms’, when there’s a huge spectrum of different opinions on the subject to Reform being Nazis - with accompanying hyperbole. Then you have Arabs/Israel etc.

It’s even true to a certain extent of more conventional left/right and the discourse. The centre ground the likes of me, @egg@Holmes_and_Watson and others sit in has become smaller since the Brexit referendum. Yes, I do look at the extremes and think the nation is closer to becoming ungovernable as the element of compromise that sustained the two broad parties was ripped up by Corbyn and the ERG coup on the Tory party. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

We know all about the far right - the far left seem to consider themselves morally superior though when they’re just as dangerous, if not more so than the right IMO.

They’re all dangerous and have violent intent. Far left, far right, Arab, Zionist, they’re frequently single issue fanatics. They all think they’re superior.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx21ev78ng4o https://metro.co.uk/2026/05/28/raise-colours-founder-billy-allison-charged-murder-bar-owner-28555599/

https://www.poolre.co.uk/understanding-left-wing-anarchist-and-single-issue-terrorism-lasit/

LASIT being linked with the Widdecombe murder

Edited 29 minutes ago by Gloucester Saint

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Everybody on the extremes considers themselves superior - ‘you lot all welcome immigrants with open arms’, when there’s a huge spectrum of different opinions on the subject to Reform being Nazis - with accompanying hyperbole. Then you have Arabs/Israel etc.

It’s even true to a certain extent of more conventional left/right and the discourse. The centre ground the likes of me, @egg@Holmes_and_Watson and others sit in has become smaller since the Brexit referendum. Yes, I do look at the extremes and think the nation is closer to becoming ungovernable as the element of compromise that sustained the two broad parties was ripped up by Corbyn and the ERG coup on the Tory party. 

Nah the left definitely have a superiority complex

Voted Brexit = Thick Racist

Dont want mass immigration = Racist

Dont agree with me = Nazi, racist scum

Dont like the Prime Minister = I didn't vote for this

The list goes on and on

Everyone with extreme views is a little unhinged but the left side definitely win the "I'm better than you" war

 

[Farmer Saint]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Nah the left definitely have a superiority complex

Voted Brexit = Thick Racist

Dont want mass immigration = Racist

Dont agree with me = Nazi, racist scum

Dont like the Prime Minister = I didn't vote for this

The list goes on and on

Everyone with extreme views is a little unhinged but the left side definitely win the "I'm better than you" war

 

Generally because we are, but there are exceptions to the rule. I actually think the superior people tend to be Liberals...

Some Brexit voters aren't racist, isn't that correct @egg? 😜🤣

Edited 23 minutes ago by Farmer Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Nah the left definitely have a superiority complex

Voted Brexit = Thick Racist

Dont want mass immigration = Racist

Dont agree with me = Nazi, racist scum

Dont like the Prime Minister = I didn't vote for this

The list goes on and on

Everyone with extreme views is a little unhinged but the left side definitely win the "I'm better than you" war

 

Respectful don’t agree Turks 😉

Raise the Colours duff up and try to run over people who don’t want the flags on public infrastructure (see Stirchley and other examples above). How many times have you heard the insult ‘Leftie’ on here? I’ve seen ‘Leftard’ on here as well. ‘The Left’ wildly bundled up into One Nation Tories, Liberals, Blue Labour, Old Labour, Corbyn’s oddballs. 

They’re as bad as each other. Even thinking that anarchists are better than white supremacists or violent trans activists or zionists/Palestinians vice versa is a slippery slope and engages me a millimetre closer to any of their agendas than I ever want to be. 

Edited 22 minutes ago by Gloucester Saint