Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

[aintforever]

probably to pay for foreign aid. So that North Korea, India and even tanzania get free stuff from us

 

I would suggest that the reason this is happening is not for lack of police. London has a massive police force.

It is being totally hamstrung with PC'ness and fear of offending people. We allow these people to thrive in this country.

 

ffs, we have the mayor of Manchester telling us the attack up there was nothing to do with Islam...you have Corbyn telling us that the Islamic faith is wonderful.

both block initiative after initiative to stop these things from happening. FFS, why was no one condemning the disbury mosque up there. it is a known hotbed

 

Why cant those in power just say what we all know. There is a problem with Islam in this country. There is a problem with many of the values so many practice that are incompatible with our (the british) way of life. If their nutters are not murdering people, they are sh**ging 13 year old girls...and we sit by lighting candles and changing our facebook profiles, whilst telling everyone by doing that "we wont let them win"....and repeat

 

I agree that the problem is Islam but surely the more police the better?

 

The Conservatives have cut the police by 20,000. I think an estimate 16,000 more will go if their cuts continue - all because they are scared to tax the rich a little bit more.

 

My next door neighbour is in the police and he is jacking it in after 20 years. He reckons there will be more of these sort of things and according to him "Teresa May is going to be eating her ****ing words".

[Batman]

I agree that the problem is Islam but surely the more police the better?

 

The Conservatives have cut the police by 20,000. I think an estimate 16,000 more will go if their cuts continue - all because they are scared to tax the rich a little bit more.

 

My next door neighbour is in the police and he is jacking it in after 20 years. He reckons there will be more of these sort of things and according to him "Teresa May is going to be eating her ****ing words".

 

there are 32k actual police officers in the Met. this is the same as it was in 2009 and more compared to 2005

also, some 8k more compared to 2001

Edited 4 June, 2017 by Batman

[Sour Mash]

I agree that the problem is Islam but surely the more police the better?

 

The Conservatives have cut the police by 20,000. I think an estimate 16,000 more will go if their cuts continue - all because they are scared to tax the rich a little bit more.

 

My next door neighbour is in the police and he is jacking it in after 20 years. He reckons there will be more of these sort of things and according to him "Teresa May is going to be eating her ****ing words".

I see plenty of police strolling around during the day doing very little. How would any of these attacks be stopped by extra bobbies on the beat?

[aintforever]

there are 32k actual police officers in the Met. this is the same as it was in 2009 and more compared to 2005

also, some 12k more compared to 2001

 

I expect there would be more if it wasn't for May's cuts. The Met is just London anyway so not really a relevant to most of the UK.

[aintforever]

I see plenty of police strolling around during the day doing very little. How would any of these attacks be stopped by extra bobbies on the beat?

 

You genuinely don't think more police would help in this sort of situation? Wow, just wow.

 

Those bobbies on the beat are the same people who have to put armour on and respond to these sort of things. Even if they are not armed they would be doing vital work in securitising areas, organising, giving first aid, getting witness statements, communicating the situation on the ground to HQ.

 

Also community policing is important in the first place to try and forge good relationships with Muslim communities so that they are more likely to pass on information about potential extremists.

Edited 4 June, 2017 by aintforever

[whelk]

there are 32k actual police officers in the Met. this is the same as it was in 2009 and more compared to 2005

also, some 8k more compared to 2001

 

So the cuts are imaginary?

[Batman]

I expect there would be more if it wasn't for May's cuts. The Met is just London anyway so not really a relevant to most of the UK.

 

so, the Met is not really experiencing cuts. it generally grows over the years

but more police in the Devon and Cornwall force could have made a difference last night?

[whelk]

You genuinely don't think more police would help in this sort of situation? Wow, just wow.

 

Those bobbies on the beat are the same people who have to put armour on and respond to these sort of things. Even if they are not armed they would be doing vital work in securitising areas, organising, giving first aid, getting witness statements, communicating the situation on the ground to HQ.

 

Also community policing is important in the first place to try and forge good relationships with Muslim communities so that they are more likely to pass on information about potential extremists.

 

Unfortunately there are some very thick people with an agenda.

[whelk]

Impressed that the BBC actually broadcast an eyewitness saying it was 'Muslim men'

[aintforever]

so, the Met is not really experiencing cuts. it generally grows over the years

but more police in the Devon and Cornwall force could have made a difference last night?

 

The next attack might be in Devon or Cornwall, it could be anywhere.

[whelk]

And SKy news have an 'expert' who struggled to understand the hoax suicide vests. He said no-one would wear a suicide vest without planning a bomb - FFS where do they wheel these people out from?

[Batman]

And SKy news have an 'expert' who struggled to understand the hoax suicide vests. He said no-one would wear a suicide vest without planning a bomb - FFS where do they wheel these people out from?

http://5pillarsuk.com/2017/05/29/did-the-bbc-allow-douglas-murray-to-advocate-ethnic-cleansing-of-muslims-in-europe/

very true

[Batman]

The next attack might be in Devon or Cornwall, it could be anywhere.

 

doubt it, hardly any Islam in Devon and Cornwall

[aintforever]

doubt it, hardly any Islam in Devon and Cornwall

 

I think you will find these guys have cars mate.

[Batman]

I think you will find these guys have cars mate.

 

how come they only attack the areas they live in?

[Sour Mash]

You genuinely don't think more police would help in this sort of situation? Wow, just wow.

 

Those bobbies on the beat are the same people who have to put armour on and respond to these sort of things. Even if they are not armed they would be doing vital work in securitising areas, organising, giving first aid, getting witness statements, communicating the situation on the ground to HQ.

 

Also community policing is important in the first place to try and forge good relationships with Muslim communities so that they are more likely to pass on information about potential extremists.

Have you not followed the news from last night? The response from the authorities was exceptional and couldn't have been done quicker, these weren't regular bobbies on the beat.

 

Talk us through how community policing stops this kind of attack? There's already plenty of that happening to no benefit.

[Sour Mash]

The next attack might be in Devon or Cornwall, it could be anywhere.

 

Why are you making up random stuff? Every attack is in a big, built up city. It won't be in Devon or Cornwall.

[aintforever]

Why are you making up random stuff? Every attack is in a big, built up city. It won't be in Devon or Cornwall.

 

They seem to target big cities that doesn't mean they won't attack elsewhere in the future though. Only a fool would assume otherwise. I would increase policing in the cities as a priority as well.

[aintforever]

how come they only attack the areas they live in?

 

7/7 they didn't.

[Sour Mash]

They seem to target big cities that doesn't mean they won't attack elsewhere in the future though. Only a fool would assume otherwise. I would increase policing in the cities as a priority as well.

 

Interesting you know a lot about terrorists plans to change tactics. Hopefully the outer Hebrides have been put on high alert and have significantly increased their police on the streets to deal with this threat.

[Batman]

Interesting you know a lot about terrorists plans to change tactics. Hopefully the outer Hebrides have been put on high alert and have significantly increased their police on the streets to deal with this threat.

 

the big cities are the target. They also house the warped mosques that spew bile about western way of life. Why we allow that to go on, I will never know

[Sour Mash]

the big cities are the target. They also house the warped mosques that spew bile about western way of life. Why we allow that to go on, I will never know

 

Exactly. For how much longer are these places going to be allowed to operate.

[Batman]

pretty incredible that the police had these 3 dead in 8 minutes of the incident being reported

[skintsaint]

pretty incredible that the police had these 3 dead in 8 minutes of the incident being reported

 

Was it the Police? Thought the SAS were on the scene first?

[hutch]

probably to pay for foreign aid. So that North Korea, India and even tanzania get free stuff from us

The amount of western aid in the third world is miniscule compared to the oil-rich Islamic funds all over Africa, building schools, Mosques, roads, Mosques, hospitals, Mosques, clinics, Mosques, airports, Mosques and, of course, Mosques. Yes I know Christian missionaries did the same 200 years ago.

 

The only way to deal with this issue is to compromise the perceived right to privacy and free speech, and triple the budgets of GCHQ, MI5 amd MI6, remove the shackles and let them get on with their job. I've got nothing to hide. Well not much anyway. Have you?

[Batman]

Was it the Police? Thought the SAS were on the scene first?

 

of course we will never know. 'Police' is the word we have been given but yeah, probably a specialist unit

only another 3497 known terrorists to go.

[OldNick]

The amount of western aid in the third world is miniscule compared to the oil-rich Islamic funds all over Africa, building schools, Mosques, roads, Mosques, hospitals, Mosques, clinics, Mosques, airports, Mosques and, of course, Mosques. Yes I know Christian missionaries did the same 200 years ago.

 

The only way to deal with this issue is to compromise the perceived right to privacy and free speech, and triple the budgets of GCHQ, MI5 amd MI6, remove the shackles and let them get on with their job. I've got nothing to hide. Well not much anyway. Have you?

I agree

[OldNick]

Why are you making up random stuff? Every attack is in a big, built up city. It won't be in Devon or Cornwall.

why not? its naïve to believe the softest targets are just as likely imo

[Sour Mash]

The amount of western aid in the third world is miniscule compared to the oil-rich Islamic funds all over Africa, building schools, Mosques, roads, Mosques, hospitals, Mosques, clinics, Mosques, airports, Mosques and, of course, Mosques. Yes I know Christian missionaries did the same 200 years ago.

 

The only way to deal with this issue is to compromise the perceived right to privacy and free speech, and triple the budgets of GCHQ, MI5 amd MI6, remove the shackles and let them get on with their job. I've got nothing to hide. Well not much anyway. Have you?

Agreed.

[Sour Mash]

why not? its naïve to believe the softest targets are just as likely imo

 

Because they're not just as likely. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. The weekly news tells you all you need to know.

[aintforever]

Because they're not just as likely. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. The weekly news tells you all you need to know.

 

I think history shows that the threat is ever changing and these people are prepared to do anything for maximum impact. It would be naive in the extreme to think there is no risk outside the big cities.

 

The Police have done an amazing job here, which is why it makes no sense to cut their numbers. They are all that stands between 6 dead or 60 dead.

[Sour Mash]

And there are many people that are intending to vote these views into government this week http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12005431/John-McDonnell-signed-letter-calling-for-MI5-and-armed-police-to-be-disbanded.html

[aintforever]

And there are many people that are intending to vote these views into government this week http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12005431/John-McDonnell-signed-letter-calling-for-MI5-and-armed-police-to-be-disbanded.html

 

That's why they will never get into power, the guy is an idiot.

[Saint86]

I expect there would be more if it wasn't for May's cuts. The Met is just London anyway so not really a relevant to most of the UK.

 

You've just had a go at May for cutting police numbers by x thousands. Then when the stats prove you to be a layer you come out with this horse crap. Which is bad enough.

 

But then add to that the fact you are trying to score political points for the left on the back of terror attack in which people have died. It's a poor mate.

 

I just hope those that were injured pull through, my sympathies to the loved ones of all involved and my praise goes to the police, SAS, and emergency services for a job well done.

Edited 4 June, 2017 by Saint86

[Batman]

it is crap like this that should be met with zero tolerance..

 

https://twitter.com/YesBrexit/status/844685483909238784/photo/1

[shurlock]

You've just had a go at May for cutting police numbers by x thousands. Then when the stats prove you to be a layer you come out with this horse crap. Which is bad enough.

 

But then add to that the fact you are trying to score political points for the left on the back of terror attack in which people have died. It's a poor mate.

 

I just hope those that were injured pull through, my sympathies to the loved ones of all involved and my praise goes to the police, SAS, and emergency services for a job well done.

 

The Met is having to find £1bn in savings - the cuts are very real pal. Whether it comes through staff or depleted resources, it affects delivery capacity.

[Johnny Bognor]

Wtf has trident got to do with any of this?

It would free up billions to spend on candles and designing new profile picture filters

[shurlock]

It would free up billions to spend on candles and designing new profile picture filters

 

Another cunning plan.

[hypochondriac]

http://5pillarsuk.com/2017/05/29/did-the-bbc-allow-douglas-murray-to-advocate-ethnic-cleansing-of-muslims-in-europe/

very true

I bought the latest Douglas Murray book- the strange death of Europe - and it's very good and I agree with much of it. The values we hold dear and European western democracy is something worth defending. We need to stand up for our way of life a lot more but it seems that our confidence has been eroded.

[Batman]

I bought the latest Douglas Murray book- the strange death of Europe - and it's very good and I agree with much of it. The values we hold dear and European western democracy is something worth defending. We need to stand up for our way of life a lot more but it seems that our confidence has been eroded.

 

My copy was delivered yesterday. Will see what it is all about in the coming days/weeks

[aintforever]

You've just had a go at May for cutting police numbers by x thousands. Then when the stats prove you to be a layer you come out with this horse crap. Which is bad enough.

 

But then add to that the fact you are trying to score political points for the left on the back of terror attack in which people have died. It's a poor mate.

 

I just hope those that were injured pull through, my sympathies to the loved ones of all involved and my praise goes to the police, SAS, and emergency services for a job well done.

 

So the cuts have not happened then?

[aintforever]

It would free up billions to spend on candles and designing new profile picture filters

 

About as useful as a **** off great big missile ready to fire on a submarine somewhere.

[Johnny Bognor]

Another cunning plan.

Indeed. A genius leftie plan.

 

Whats the point in tackling the issue at source and tackling the problem head on to prevent it happening again??

 

Its only people getting butchered on our streets afterall..

 

What would you suggest? Employ some consultants to tell us what we already know???

Edited 4 June, 2017 by Johnny Bognor

[shurlock]

Indeed. A genius leftie plan.

 

Whats the point in tackling the issue at source and tackling the problem head on to prevent it happening again??

 

Its only people getting butchered on our streets afterall..

 

What would you suggest? Employ some consultants to tell us what we already know???

 

What do you already know Baldrick?

[hypochondriac]

Surveillance of well known areas where extremists are developed needs to be improved including inside mosques, we need a zero tolerance approach to any sort of extremism and deportation for non British citizens who have been found guilty of extremism. Any returning fighters from IS should be stripped of their citizenship and removed from the country and I would look into abolishing Islamic only schools. That won't solve the problems but it will be better than the situation we have now where we turn a blind eye to all of this and carry on as normal.

[Batman]

PM

 

"to be frank, there is far too much tolerance of islamic extremism in our country"

[SKD]

PM

 

"to be frank, there is far too much tolerance of islamic extremism in our country"

 

A good speech I thought, slight optimism that things may now change (finally they have woken up and finally admitted that this is related to Islam). I guess actions speak louder than words, however.

[aintforever]

A good speech I thought, slight optimism that things may now change (finally they have woken up and finally admitted that this is related to Islam). I guess actions speak louder than words, however.

 

A good vote winner, to finally come out and say "Islam".

[Batman]

Thornbery on SKY putting in a shambles of a reaction to the PMs speech.

[shurlock]

Surveillance of well known areas where extremists are developed needs to be improved including inside mosques, we need a zero tolerance approach to any sort of extremism and deportation for non British citizens who have been found guilty of extremism. Any returning fighters from IS should be stripped of their citizenship and removed from the country and I would look into abolishing Islamic only schools. That won't solve the problems but it will be better than the situation we have now where we turn a blind eye to all of this and carry on as normal.

 

Improve surveillance? Sounds like circular, mom-and-apple pie to me, as if the highly respected intelligence services aren't already stretching every sinew to do this. The key question is how are you going to improve surveillance. If the country wants stronger surveillance, then it needs to back it up with resources. What are the figures? It takes 25-30 people to keep somebody under surveillance 24/7. If that is what the country wants, it needs to have an honest debate, not pontificate abstractly and assume you can have something for nothing.

 

As to deportations and schools, France has taken a hardline to deporting suspected terrorists just in the same way as it promotes secular state education - it seemingly has not made much difference.

Edited 4 June, 2017 by shurlock