Dig Dig Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Price doesn't matter, a good player can cost relatively little or a lot. We just really need to find the quality of Mane, Hojbjerg, VVD, Bertrand and Tadic and less of a Juanmi, Cuco, Pied, Clasie or even Romeu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Price doesn't matter, a good player can cost relatively little or a lot. We just really need to find the quality of Mane, Hojbjerg, VVD, Bertrand and Tadic and less of a Juanmi, Cuco, Pied, Clasie or even Romeu. Though it's no coincidence that the former group, on the whole, cost more than the latter group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintMB Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Why is Pied is being written off already? I swear, this place is turning into a parody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 He isn't being written off. Point is that the quality needed in the team now should be comparable to the former group. Unless you'd be happy with more signings with the profile of Pied? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Though it's no coincidence that the former group, on the whole, cost more than the latter group. We've got decent form in the £10-12m bracket and expect to see that continue in the next week or so. But fair to say that bracket has probably now become the £12-16m bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 No, still no clearer, sorry. Are you being deliberately obtuse? Buying anybody from a foreign league on the relatively cheap is always going to be a bit of a gamble as to whether they are going to adapt to our league. Making a large profit out of them is even less guaranteed. If it wasn't everybody would be doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 We've got decent form in the £10-12m bracket and expect to see that continue in the next week or so. But fair to say that bracket has probably now become the £12-16m bracket. Which was my point further up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Are you being deliberately obtuse? Buying anybody from a foreign league on the relatively cheap is always going to be a bit of a gamble as to whether they are going to adapt to our league. Making a large profit out of them is even less guaranteed. If it wasn't everybody would be doing it. Ah right, can you give us a list of which players are a gamble and which aren't? I'm assuming you consider Benteke at £30m not a gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Why is Pied is being written off already? I swear, this place is turning into a parody. It's normally a good sign if the forum writes a player off after a couple of games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 £30m on Benteke or £4m on Charlie - absolute no fecker brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted 22 August, 2016 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2016 £30m on Benteke or £4m on Charlie - absolute no fecker brainer. Who do you think will score more goals this season or play more games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Who do you think will score more goals this season or play more games? Not sure I really understand the point to your question. Do I think Benteke will play more games this season than Austin, then yes, in all likelihood he will - do you think Pardew will put Benteke on the bench given what he's spanked on buying him? Given the opportunity to score a goal, who would I put my house on finishing it? Then I'd be all in on Charlie, natural born finisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted 22 August, 2016 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2016 The point is Austin may have been a good buy at 4 million but if he's going to sit on the bench for most of the season or pick up injuries when he is not,I'd have rather bought Benteke. Benteke at Villa was fantastic he scored almost a goal every other game (42 in 89).At Liverpool under Rodgers things didn't go as well and didn't figure in Klopp's plan but he's still an excellent player at 25 and a big lad to at 6ft 3in would have been excellent alongside Long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 The point is Austin may have been a good buy at 4 million but if he's going to sit on the bench for most of the season or pick up injuries when he is not,I'd have rather bought Benteke. Benteke at Villa was fantastic he scored almost a goal every other game (42 in 89).At Liverpool under Rodgers things didn't go as well and didn't figure in Klopp's plan but he's still an excellent player at 25 and a big lad to at 6ft 3in would have been excellent alongside Long. Like you said IF and you have no idea if he will be onthe bench or pickup injuries for that matter unless you can predict the future but in truth it probably fits in with your contant pessimistic view... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Ah right, can you give us a list of which players are a gamble and which aren't? I'm assuming you consider Benteke at £30m not a gamble. Au contraire, £30m is a gamble if the buying club is stretching its resources to buy him. For a club like Man U it wouldn't even count as speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Au contraire, £30m is a gamble if the buying club is stretching its resources to buy him. For a club like Man U it wouldn't even count as speculation. Indeed. Things can go tits up very fast for a club like Palace or us if a signing like that doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 The point is Austin may have been a good buy at 4 million but if he's going to sit on the bench for most of the season or pick up injuries when he is not,I'd have rather bought Benteke. Benteke at Villa was fantastic he scored almost a goal every other game (42 in 89).At Liverpool under Rodgers things didn't go as well and didn't figure in Klopp's plan but he's still an excellent player at 25 and a big lad to at 6ft 3in would have been excellent alongside Long. Austin sits on our bench if the formation doesn't suit him, if the formation doesn't suit Austin why would it suit Benteke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Austin sits on our bench if the formation doesn't suit him, if the formation doesn't suit Austin why would it suit Benteke? because they are not the same sort of player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted 22 August, 2016 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Pessimistic or Realistic the season will be he judge of that. When I'm at the ground I'm 100% behind Saints come what may but when I post here I like to be realistic. I can see the club I love getting into trouble, allow me my concerns. Goals and Assists you certainly wouldn't put many Saints players in your fantasy team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 because they are not the same sort of player They have similar qualities. Where would you play Benteke in the formation Claude has favoured so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 They have similar qualities. Where would you play Benteke in the formation Claude has favoured so far? up front ahead of the winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Pessimistic or Realistic the season will be he judge of that. When I'm at the ground I'm 100% behind Saints come what may but when I post here I like to be realistic. I can see the club I love getting into trouble, allow me my concerns. Goals and Assists you certainly wouldn't put many Saints players in your fantasy team. Realistic and advocating £30m spend on one player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 up front ahead of the winger read the question again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Realistic and advocating £30m spend on one player... If Palace can spend it we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 If Palace can spend it we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 read the question again... i have, id still have benteke up top over a winger who was in and out of a relegated team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Like you said IF and you have no idea if he will be onthe bench or pickup injuries for that matter unless you can predict the future but in truth it probably fits in with your contant pessimistic view... Would you take exception to someone saying they think Austin will play every game and score 30 goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 If Palace can spend it we can. Nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 i have, id still have benteke up top over a winger who was in and out of a relegated team read the question again and this time try and construct a response that is relevant to the question asked. good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 read the question again and this time try and construct a response that is relevant to the question asked. good luck. my answer still stands. just accept it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 my answer still stands. just accept it genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Would you take exception to someone saying they think Austin will play every game and score 30 goals? Yes, would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 because they are not the same sort of player They're not the same kind of player overall, but they're both the kind of player whose qualities don't fit our current system of playing two strikers out wide to counterattack quickly from through balls and asking them to defend the full backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 as I said, it you made a good point initially. But going forward, it will be harder and harder (probably rather quickly) to find these players in the same bracket prices go up, but for English clubs, can only see them go up more rapidly I understand your point (that the actual amounts will be more expensive), but not why you think we're looking for players in a particular price bracket, rather than the actual process, of looking at players and then seeing if we can get them, then making a decision on cost. As for "English clubs will see prices go up more rapidly", yes, but only because everyone knows English clubs have more money. That includes Saints. The concern should not be that "prices might go up", it should be that everyone else adopts the same logical and data-driven approach and we get squeezed out of affordable players that we want by more attractive competitors who aren't offering more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzyfryer Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 If we bought a £25-30m striker it would completely destabilise us as all the other players would be thinking why they are not getting the same level of pay. We are stuck now in this regime where we can only buy for £10m or so and hope it is the right person or we may be able to sell on like we did Mane for a huge profit. Making money on transfers seems the god now not trying to improve the team and go to the next level. Surely after qualifying for the Europa League the correct thing would have been to sign players who would take us to the edge of Champions League not bottom half of the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Nonsense How in any world is that nonsense? We are currently up about £40 million on transfer spend, not to mention being up the last 4 years. Why on earth could we not afford a £27 million player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 How in any world is that nonsense? We are currently up about £40 million on transfer spend, not to mention being up the last 4 years. Why on earth could we not afford a £27 million player? Wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Wages. if palace can afford his wages, then so could we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 (edited) if palace can afford his wages, then so could we Middlesbrough paying Negredo £100k a week Edited 22 August, 2016 by Heisenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Middlesbrough paying Negredo £100k a month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 Let's say that there has been a history of foreign imports who have not adapted to or been a success in the Premier League. Many of these have been moved on subsequently at a loss. I certainly don't remember many in here thinking that we'd sell him on for a big markup after only two years. I admit that I had my misgivings myself. Out of Osvaldo, Ramírez and Mané we just about broke even overall. We are at a loss for foreign signings. People easily forget buys such as Forren, Mayuka, Juanmi all to easily. Mane is the stand out success story, followed by Lovren... perhaps this says more about Liverpool paying OTT than it does our success rate... Although I do think that Mane is/will be one of the best players around - absolutely unplayable on his day and destroys teams for fun... there is no defending him at times. If anything, we sold him far far far too cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 22 August, 2016 Share Posted 22 August, 2016 We are at a loss for foreign signings. People easily forget buys such as Forren, Mayuka, Juanmi all to easily. Mane is the stand out success story, followed by Lovren... perhaps this says more about Liverpool paying OTT than it does our success rate... Although I do think that Mane is/will be one of the best players around - absolutely unplayable on his day and destroys teams for fun... there is no defending him at times. If anything, we sold him far far far too cheap. And yet he was vilified on here during his first few months at the club. "Worse than Ali Dia" some said, "non-league at best" said others. In fairness, I was critical of him too in the early days but have now learned that a bit of patience goes a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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