twopintsnilnil Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 Interesting article about a man fighting his demons. Maybe goes some way to explaining his performances for us, but it's a sad tale and you have to wish him the best. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/29/steven-caulker-mental-illness-addictions-gambling-drinking-qpr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 His performance against Liverpool was one of the worst I have ever witnessed. Right up their with Alan Bennett on his debut against Palace. Hope he can get back to a decent level though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 A sad tale and unfortunately we will see a lot more of in everyday life as people struggle to cope with reality be it footballers or 20yr old secretaries people struggle to deal with their realities. Read a good general article on blaming in humans, worth a read not that I am saying Caulker did this but it's a relevant article in its own right. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/what-would-aristotle-do/201207/stop-playing-the-blame-game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 The blokes a d*ckhead. The reason he never got a chance with us was because he sparked some lad out over town, for practically no reason. A suspension and a handsome fine to pay the victim off shortly followed. Mental illness is a horrible thing and one that needs much more attention, however this is not the reason he was sh*te for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 That explains a lot. It was bewildering how bad he was for us when you think of how good he was for Spurs, Swansea and Cardiff. Literally everyone was wondering WTF happened to him. I see the scumbag scouse people evidently saw an opportunity in him by attmepting to blackmail him. Is there a more detestable city? Seems like a city full of complete c()nts, with two tosspot football clubs. Horrid. Except Nigel Adkins of course. And Rickie. Get well soon Steven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 The blokes a d*ckhead. The reason he never got a chance with us was because he sparked some lad out over town, for practically no reason. A suspension and a handsome fine to pay the victim off shortly followed. Mental illness is a horrible thing and one that needs much more attention, however this is not the reason he was sh*te for us. Sorry? What? You're claiming that the reason he was sh*te for us was that he had a scrap in town? And you're dismissing the idea that his suicidal thoughts may have impacted his performances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 A sad tale and unfortunately we will see a lot more of in everyday life as people struggle to cope with reality be it footballers or 20yr old secretaries people struggle to deal with their realities. Read a good general article on blaming in humans, worth a read not that I am saying Caulker did this but it's a relevant article in its own right. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/what-would-aristotle-do/201207/stop-playing-the-blame-game The blokes a d*ckhead. The reason he never got a chance with us was because he sparked some lad out over town, for practically no reason. A suspension and a handsome fine to pay the victim off shortly followed. Mental illness is a horrible thing and one that needs much more attention, however this is not the reason he was sh*te for us. And there's the two ends of the spectrum right there. Not saying either of you are right or wrong, I don't know, just contrasting attitudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 Sorry? What? You're claiming that the reason he was sh*te for us was that he had a scrap in town? And you're dismissing the idea that his suicidal thoughts may have impacted his performances? That may have been the case, I can't confirm nor deny that. However, I know the facts and the facts are he was suspended for assaulting someone in town. I suspect that this had a major impact, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 And there's the two ends of the spectrum right there. Not saying either of you are right or wrong, I don't know, just contrasting attitudes. I've had family members who suffer with this exact illness. I have friends who have lost relatives to this exact illness. I know people who know him (Caulker) and trust me, the bloke is a tw*t. If he is suffering from this illness, which I have no reason to doubt he is, then I hope he beats it. However I'll never have any respect for him as a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 That may have been the case, I can't confirm nor deny that. However, I know the facts and the facts are he was suspended for assaulting someone in town. I suspect that this had a major impact, as well. But you did deny that. You clearly stated that although "mental illness is a horrible thing", "it is not the reason he was sh*te for us". I don't claim to know Stephen Caulker, but he is clearly a very troubled individual. His behaviour, the resulting suspension, his poor form, they are all highly likely to have been attributable to his illness. I don't think branding those people brave enough to speak out about their mental health issues as "d*ckheads" brings the right sort of attention to the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 After his poor show against Liverpool, I never understood why they signed him from us. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 Some harsh comments from fellow fans. Presumably some mental illnesses are more 'fashionable' than others. I understand why it is difficult to look at the consequences and show sympathy but I guess you have to experience deep depression to understand the torture of the condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 I know people with mental illness who are not dickheads, and people with mental illness who are dickheads. I also know people without mental illness who are not dickheads, and people without mental illness who are dickheads. The two are not mutually exclusive and one condition very rarely begats the other. Although, obviously, not a trained psychologist, I suspect that if you are already a dickhead, having a mental illness will likely exacerbate your dickheadedness. I've kind of lost where I was going with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 But you did deny that. You clearly stated that although "mental illness is a horrible thing", "it is not the reason he was sh*te for us". I don't claim to know Stephen Caulker, but he is clearly a very troubled individual. His behaviour, the resulting suspension, his poor form, they are all highly likely to have been attributable to his illness. I don't think branding those people brave enough to speak out about their mental health issues as "d*ckheads" brings the right sort of attention to the problem. The reason that he never played was due to him receiving a suspension for said incident. That is a fact. If his mental health played a part in this, I guess we will never know, but of course that is a possibility. I suspect, again we will never know, the fact he hadn't played for months, also played a major part in that woeful performance against Liverpool (he generally wasn't that bad up until that point). I'm branding him a di*khead because from what I've been told (from a number of people), and the fact provided, he is. It has nothing to do with his mental illness, which credit to him for coming out and taking the first steps admitting it, I hope he beats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 I know people with mental illness who are not dickheads, and people with mental illness who are dickheads. I also know people without mental illness who are not dickheads, and people without mental illness who are dickheads. The two are not mutually exclusive and one condition very rarely begats the other. Although, obviously, not a trained psychologist, I suspect that if you are already a dickhead, having a mental illness will likely exacerbate your dickheadedness. I've kind of lost where I was going with this. It's a very fair point mate - and thinking about it, I know a trained psychologist who is a right dickhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 This is quality"forum chuckle" stuff; keep it up guys cos it's the reason I come on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 I'm just surprised dickhead passes the swear filters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 I know people with mental illness who are not dickheads, and people with mental illness who are dickheads. I also know people without mental illness who are not dickheads, and people without mental illness who are dickheads. The two are not mutually exclusive and one condition very rarely begats the other. Although, obviously, not a trained psychologist, I suspect that if you are already a dickhead, having a mental illness will likely exacerbate your dickheadedness. I've kind of lost where I was going with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 After his poor show against Liverpool, I never understood why they signed him from us. Any ideas? Cos they're scouse dickheads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 I know people with mental illness who are not dickheads, and people with mental illness who are dickheads. I also know people without mental illness who are not dickheads, and people without mental illness who are dickheads. The two are not mutually exclusive and one condition very rarely begats the other. Although, obviously, not a trained psychologist, I suspect that if you are already a dickhead, having a mental illness will likely exacerbate your dickheadedness. I've kind of lost where I was going with this. Best post on thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 I'm just surprised dickhead passes the swear filters... Me too dickhead. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 Me too dickhead. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk banter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 The reason that he never played was due to him receiving a suspension for said incident. That is a fact. If his mental health played a part in this, I guess we will never know, but of course that is a possibility. I suspect, again we will never know, the fact he hadn't played for months, also played a major part in that woeful performance against Liverpool (he generally wasn't that bad up until that point). I'm branding him a di*khead because from what I've been told (from a number of people), and the fact provided, he is. It has nothing to do with his mental illness, which credit to him for coming out and taking the first steps admitting it, I hope he beats it. Yes - but don't you think that the people who labelled him a dickhead probably had no concept that he was suffering from the mental illness which was leading him to that behaviour. And may I say that, as someone who claims to know a lot of people with mental illness, you demonstrate a profound lack of understanding of it. He deserves praise for speaking out about his problems which is the first step to recovery. I wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 I'm just surprised dickhead passes the swear filters... I`m surprised you pass the troll filters....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 I've had family members who suffer with this exact illness. I have friends who have lost relatives to this exact illness. I know people who know him (Caulker) and trust me, the bloke is a tw*t. If he is suffering from this illness, which I have no reason to doubt he is, then I hope he beats it. However I'll never have any respect for him as a person. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/05/steven-caulker-sierra-leone-charity-trip-qpr?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other You could be doing this sunshine but a lot easier to sit and judge eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/05/steven-caulker-sierra-leone-charity-trip-qpr?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other You could be doing this sunshine but a lot easier to sit and judge eh I've done charitable work, not in Sierra Leone, closer to home in the UK. I've also never been arrested for assault, nor knocked someone out in the middle of town for absolutely no reason (honestly, it was for no reason). Oh and FWIW, neither have people that I know are suffering from the illness. I'm not judging him, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 It's a very fair point mate - and thinking about it, I know a trained psychologist who is a right dickhead Meh. Your comment would be far more interesting if you knew a psychologist who isn't a dickhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 29 April, 2018 Share Posted 29 April, 2018 See he's now playing for struggling Dundee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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