LGBT+ Discussion

[SW11_Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

what's up hun?

Homophobic gammons mainly… 

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

Homophobic gammons mainly… 

What do you want the mods to do?

[SW11_Saint]

16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What do you want the mods to do?

Moderate maybe? 

[AlexLaw76]

34 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

Moderate maybe? 

Moderate what? Stuff YOU don’t like?

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, SW11_Saint said:

Homophobic gammons mainly… 

can you quote the homophobic posts please? 

[Sir Ralph]

The point is that Board is not representative of the fan base. The Club have decided in their wisdom to obtain advice from a number of people who proportionately don’t reflect our fans.

Edited Monday at 15:18 by Sir Ralph

[SW11_Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

can you quote the homophobic posts please? 

You can see them for yourself - you even wrote a couple - snide homophonic comments wrapped up no doubt as ‘harmless laddish banter’. The lower half of the page before this is full of them. Insinuations that ‘the gay lot’ can’t be managers, don’t know anything about football etc. 

Pretty depressing stuff given we’re a quarter of the way through the 21st Century… 

[whelk]

19 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

You can see them for yourself - you even wrote a couple - snide homophonic comments wrapped up no doubt as ‘harmless laddish banter’. The lower half of the page before this is full of them. Insinuations that ‘the gay lot’ can’t be managers, don’t know anything about football etc. 

Pretty depressing stuff given we’re a quarter of the way through the 21st Century… 

You know if you’re not a lad wrapped up in Stone Island uniform you can’t be a real football fan?

[whelk]

I can imagine Turkish’s joy when he realises he can change the Trainline app. Decisions, decisions 

Edited Monday at 16:02 by whelk

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, SW11_Saint said:

You can see them for yourself - you even wrote a couple - snide homophonic comments wrapped up no doubt as ‘harmless laddish banter’. The lower half of the page before this is full of them. Insinuations that ‘the gay lot’ can’t be managers, don’t know anything about football etc. 

Pretty depressing stuff given we’re a quarter of the way through the 21st Century… 

Nothing against it at all but is this you “coming” out ?

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, SW11_Saint said:

You can see them for yourself - you even wrote a couple - snide homophonic comments wrapped up no doubt as ‘harmless laddish banter’. The lower half of the page before this is full of them. Insinuations that ‘the gay lot’ can’t be managers, don’t know anything about football etc. 

Pretty depressing stuff given we’re a quarter of the way through the 21st Century… 

Genuinely I missed those bits. Which posts specifically? I saw one moved from a different thread about ending up with an lgbtq manager which I thought was a bit of an odd comment. I expect it's because some of the people on the fan board appear to be lgbtq themselves or have stated that their priorities are that sort of thing. 

[whelk]

27 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Nothing against it at all but is this you “coming” out ?

You asking for a friend?

[SW11_Saint]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Nothing against it at all but is this you “coming” out ?

Erm no… and it would be a pretty odd way of doing so.

Not that it should matter, but I am straight and married to a woman. I have close family and friends who are gay though. I’ve found a lot of the content on this thread which - from the title at least - you’d expect to be supportive for/to LGBTQ+ fans - a rather odd, if not troubling read. 

Edited Monday at 18:11 by SW11_Saint

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

Erm no… and it would be a pretty odd way of doing so.

Not that it should matter, but I am straight and married to a woman. I have close family and friends who are gay though. I’ve found a lot of the content on this thread which - from the title at least - you’d expect to be supportive for/to LGBTQ+ fans - a rather odd, if not troubling read. 

So do I and I find nothing on it remotely troubling. 

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

Erm no… and it would be a pretty odd way of doing so.

Not that it should matter, but I am straight and married to a woman. I have close family and friends who are gay though. I’ve found a lot of the content on this thread which - from the title at least - you’d expect to be supportive for/to LGBTQ+ fans - a rather odd, if not troubling read. 

I think you need to be more specific. "a lot of the content" makes it difficult to understand what you're saying.

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think you need to be more specific. "a lot of the content" makes it difficult to understand what you're saying.

I’d also like to know which specific posts. There have been some bold accusations with some content labelled as troubling and depressing so it would be interesting to see which posts these were as well as understanding why they’d cause such a strong reaction 

Edited Monday at 21:25 by Turkish

[skintsaint]

3 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

I have close family and friends who are gay though.

Not a surprise, 1 in 10 are apparently gay these days.........seems a bit high doesn't it?

 

[Sir Ralph]

I think you’re being slightly sensitive. I’m being respectful when saying this but maybe you spend your time in an environment which is more sensitive in respect of these matters. 

People are frustrated with institutions such as SFC which over prioritise certain groups and ask them to represent the fans. It’s fine for certain groups to represent fans but it should be on a proportionate basis. Some of the comments may not be to your liking but to say that some of the reading is troubling is wide of the mark, in my opinion.

Edited Monday at 21:55 by Sir Ralph

[Holmes_and_Watson]

The point I took from some of the posts was how representative of the actual support is FAB? If there are people on the FAB representing some groups, and not others, why those groups, and not others? is there a disproportionate impact on decision making/ initiatives?

Now, for all I know FAB don't actually represent specific groups, despite what the bios for some suggest. It could be that FAB are pretty toothless and/or this is just a random selection of those who were interested. There's also no reason why Initiatives supporting some groups wouldn't benefit the wider fanbase.

[SW11_Saint]

21 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Not a surprise, 1 in 10 are apparently gay these days.........seems a bit high doesn't it?

 

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[SW11_Saint]

On 17/11/2025 at 13:58, AlexLaw76 said:

Moderate what? Stuff YOU don’t like?

Erm, no. The stuff moderators are supposed to moderate. 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, SW11_Saint said:

Erm, no. The stuff moderators are supposed to moderate. .

Edited 21 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[hypochondriac]

55 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

Erm, no. The stuff moderators are supposed to moderate. 

I assume you're being intentionally vague because you don't want to specify any post in particular because people will likely disagree with you.

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I assume you're being intentionally vague because you don't want to specify any post in particular because people will likely disagree with you.

Seems bizarre to band accusations like homophobic gammons and bemoan how depressing it all is yet not actually specify who or what you are referring too

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Seems bizarre to band accusations like homophobic gammons and bemoan how depressing it all is yet not actually specify who or what you are referring too

I assume he hasn't used the messaging function to contact the admins if he has something he thinks needs to be acted on.

[egg]

1 hour ago, SW11_Saint said:

Erm, no. The stuff moderators are supposed to moderate. 

I don't particularly like a lot of the content on this thread, but I wouldn't label it homophobic.

At the end of the day, it's a forum, and we all find some posts/ content/threads/posters/etc disagreeable, that's the nature of the beast. 

It's not difficult to avoid the thread if you want to. 

[hypochondriac]

48 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Seems bizarre to band accusations like homophobic gammons and bemoan how depressing it all is yet not actually specify who or what you are referring too

Not only that. If there is an offensive and homophobic post that I've missed I want to join him in condemning it and asking it to be removed.

[sadoldgit]

It would seem that Graham Lineham is now trolling Victoria Coren Mitchell for doing nothing except having a trans person on Only Connect.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/11/05/only-connect-host-victoria-coren-mitchell-graham-linehan-trans/#

Edited 18 hours ago by sadoldgit

[hypochondriac]

45 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It would seem that Graham Lineham is now trolling Victoria Coren Mitchell for doing nothing except having a trans person on Only Connect.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/11/05/only-connect-host-victoria-coren-mitchell-graham-linehan-trans/#

No he was messaging her because she has previously refused to speak out against abuse of children.

[The Kraken]

Graham Lineham is a complete cunt of a human being. 

And VCTRCRNMTCHLL has got a WNDRFLPRFBRSTS

[SW11_Saint]

On 17/11/2025 at 21:24, Turkish said:

I’d also like to know which specific posts. There have been some bold accusations with some content labelled as troubling and depressing so it would be interesting to see which posts these were as well as understanding why they’d cause such a strong reaction 

 

I wasn’t going to bother but since you (and others) have asked these are posts I felt overstepped. I haven’t bothered looking at earlier pages (other than the first page - referenced below), but I’d wager there’s similar stuff there. It’s as much - maybe more - about the ‘punching down’ tone as it is the words. Haven’t assigned quotes either as you’ll see who said what if you look back. No doubt I’ll be branded a snowflake for not appreciating the ‘bantz’. I’d imagine though, any LGBT fan reading through this thread wouldn’t find it particularly welcoming… but the mods clearly don’t see a problem with it, so hey ho…

*******

“We'll probably end up with a LGBTQ+ manager after they've given advice”

*******

“They were going to call it the fan advisory group but calling them the FAG might not go down so well these days. Especially looking at some of their pictures.”

*******

“safe spaces for the gay lot”

*******

“I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again

success as a manager ✅

International experience ✅

black ✅

woman ✅

gay ✅

so much it right about this one”

*******
Oh, and you opened the thread with this one, which is I guess where the penny dropped that the whole thing was some big piss-take at the expense of gay people…

“Why have they chose the shortest and coldest month of the year to celebrate the bright, colourful, rainbow people that we as a society benefit from?”

[Weston Super Saint]

6 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

Oh, and you opened the thread with this one, which is I guess where the penny dropped that the whole thing was some big piss-take at the expense of gay people…

 

But 40 pages later you're still reading the thread and getting upset about it?

[pingpong]

4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

But 40 pages later you're still reading the thread and getting upset about it?

I guess it comes down to whether we want to have threads that LGBT allies shouldn't come into because there is homophobic content in them, or whether we want that stuff removed.  

I've made a couple of reports on here for the really horrific stuff, one of which was dead body pictures on the terrorist attack thread, and the moderators added a trigger warning to the thread title.

Maybe we should do the same one for this one, (may contain homophobic and/or transphobic views), or move it to the Muppet board. A lot of people don't want to see "banter" that pokes fun at LGBT people, or homophobic jokes about our own fan representatives, on a site supposedly for all saints fans.

 

[SW11_Saint]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

But 40 pages later you're still reading the thread and getting upset about it?

I haven’t read 40 pages. I made a comment about the page I saw - the reactions the fans group make-up - which I felt overstepped at times, and I looked back at page 1 for reference to see what the thread was set-up to do. 

Edited 9 hours ago by SW11_Saint

[SW11_Saint]

1 hour ago, pingpong said:

I guess it comes down to whether we want to have threads that LGBT allies shouldn't come into because there is homophobic content in them, or whether we want that stuff removed.  

I've made a couple of reports on here for the really horrific stuff, one of which was dead body pictures on the terrorist attack thread, and the moderators added a trigger warning to the thread title.

Maybe we should do the same one for this one, (may contain homophobic and/or transphobic views), or move it to the Muppet board. A lot of people don't want to see "banter" that pokes fun at LGBT people, or homophobic jokes about our own fan representatives, on a site supposedly for all saints fans.

 

Well said. 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, pingpong said:

I guess it comes down to whether we want to have threads that LGBT allies shouldn't come into because there is homophobic content in them, or whether we want that stuff removed.  

I've made a couple of reports on here for the really horrific stuff, one of which was dead body pictures on the terrorist attack thread, and the moderators added a trigger warning to the thread title.

Maybe we should do the same one for this one, (may contain homophobic and/or transphobic views), or move it to the Muppet board. A lot of people don't want to see "banter" that pokes fun at LGBT people, or homophobic jokes about our own fan representatives, on a site supposedly for all saints fans.

 

For some reason I wasn’t able to “like” this post?

As you were, it has now worked after several attempts at trying.

Edited 8 hours ago by sadoldgit

[sadoldgit]

On 17/11/2025 at 15:30, SW11_Saint said:

You can see them for yourself - you even wrote a couple - snide homophonic comments wrapped up no doubt as ‘harmless laddish banter’. The lower half of the page before this is full of them. Insinuations that ‘the gay lot’ can’t be managers, don’t know anything about football etc. 

Pretty depressing stuff given we’re a quarter of the way through the 21st Century… 

When I saw who set this thread up I avoided it for ages as it was obvious it was not going to be a positive experience. That particular poster has issues with anything that might have any connection with being “woke” or minority support groups in general. 

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

When I saw who set this thread up I avoided it for ages as it was obvious it was not going to be a positive experience. 

But then, just couldn't resist eh?

[trousers]

[SW11_Saint]

16 minutes ago, trousers said:

What tosh. People are allowed to react to offensive behaviour (in the same way the perpetrator is allowed to be offensive). Neither the offender nor the person who challenges them are necessarily claiming ‘rights’ in doing so. 

If you start shouting the ‘N word’ at people, I’m allowed to call you a racist arsehole. End of. 

[trousers]

2 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

What tosh. People are allowed to react to offensive behaviour (in the same way the perpetrator is allowed to be offensive). Neither the offender nor the person who challenges them are necessarily claiming ‘rights’ in doing so. 

If you start shouting the ‘N word’ at people, I’m allowed to call you a racist arsehole. End of. 

Nincompoop?

[Turkish]

9 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

 

 

I wasn’t going to bother but since you (and others) have asked these are posts I felt overstepped. I haven’t bothered looking at earlier pages (other than the first page - referenced below), but I’d wager there’s similar stuff there. It’s as much - maybe more - about the ‘punching down’ tone as it is the words. Haven’t assigned quotes either as you’ll see who said what if you look back. No doubt I’ll be branded a snowflake for not appreciating the ‘bantz’. I’d imagine though, any LGBT fan reading through this thread wouldn’t find it particularly welcoming… but the mods clearly don’t see a problem with it, so hey ho…

*******

“We'll probably end up with a LGBTQ+ manager after they've given advice”

*******

“They were going to call it the fan advisory group but calling them the FAG might not go down so well these days. Especially looking at some of their pictures.”

*******

“safe spaces for the gay lot”

*******

“I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again

success as a manager ✅

International experience ✅

black ✅

woman ✅

gay ✅

so much it right about this one”

*******
Oh, and you opened the thread with this one, which is I guess where the penny dropped that the whole thing was some big piss-take at the expense of gay people…

“Why have they chose the shortest and coldest month of the year to celebrate the bright, colourful, rainbow people that we as a society benefit from?”

All three of my posts you highlighted were pro LGBTQ+. The fact you've interpreted them negatively perhaps says more about your mindset.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

When I saw who set this thread up I avoided it for ages as it was obvious it was not going to be a positive experience. That particular poster has issues with anything that might have any connection with being “woke” or minority support groups in general. 

 As i am a permanent resident in your head, rent free, i assume yet again you are referring to me.

I'd like to point out to you in a recent study taken out of "that particular poster" found that people who like my posts are happier, more at peace with themselves, more intelligent as well as significantly calmer and more balanced people than those who don't like what I post.

So stick that in your self righteous pipe. 

[Turkish]

[Turkish]

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, SW11_Saint said:

What tosh. People are allowed to react to offensive behaviour (in the same way the perpetrator is allowed to be offensive). Neither the offender nor the person who challenges them are necessarily claiming ‘rights’ in doing so. 

If you start shouting the ‘N word’ at people, I’m allowed to call you a racist arsehole. End of. 

What's the equivalent of that in this thread? Mostly the bits you have highlighted are just people taking the piss out of the people on the fan advisory board. Not particularly kind or pleasant I agree and not something I engaged in but I fail to see how it's homophobic. 

 

1 hour ago, SW11_Saint said:

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by hypochondriac

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, SW11_Saint said:

What tosh. People are allowed to react to offensive behaviour (in the same way the perpetrator is allowed to be offensive). Neither the offender nor the person who challenges them are necessarily claiming ‘rights’ in doing so. 

If you start shouting the ‘N word’ at people, I’m allowed to call you a racist arsehole. End of. 

Yes you can absolutely do that. So who has used a similar expression on this thread?

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

For some reason I wasn’t able to “like” this post?

As you were, it has now worked after several attempts at trying.

Bit like how you never quite managed to get the ignore feature working properly, hey pal 😂

[benjii]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Nincompoop?

Nathan.

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

I haven’t read 40 pages. I made a comment about the page I saw - the reactions the fans group make-up - which I felt overstepped at times, and I looked back at page 1 for reference to see what the thread was set-up to do. 

I think it's a fair point about levels of representation for a fan board. I haven't looked in great detail but after a browse it does appear to not be the most representative cross section of the fan base. I think it's true to say that in recent years initiatives like this attract certain types of people on average who are into identity politics and some people would prefer to keep that element out of football where possible. 

Taking the piss out of the way people look is a bit below the belt for me personally but I'm not sure in what way it's homophobic. The comment about safe spaces and the one about appointing spmepne who ticks a lot of boxes is meant to be humorous clearly. It's a fact that we engage in a lot of this performative identity stuff just like every other club does. Some people love it but others would really rather it wasn't in football at all.