Most Profitable Youth Academies - how are Saints not on the list!

[ozzmeister]

https://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp370/en/
My assumption is because we either haven’t had a major academy player sale for a while / we have been making money through buying in raw and selling in as a profit (so players not actually being trained by us).

[Saint_clark]

Since July 2015 we only sold Matt Targett from our academy didn't we? No-one else sold, just released.

[StDunko]

Obafemi?

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, StDunko said:

Obafemi?

Still only bumps us up to what, £21million? 

[nta786]

Yep no shock we aren't on here.

The likes of City can flog Angus Gunn for £13.5m, or Iheanacho for £25m etc

Liverpool can sell Ibe, Sterling, Brewster etc for lots of money too.

It is annoying because it's almost self-perpetuating, bigger clubs receive more for their players purely because you assume they're decent players who will rarely ever breakthrough

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, nta786 said:

Yep no shock we aren't on here.

The likes of City can flog Angus Gunn for £13.5m, or Iheanacho for £25m etc

Liverpool can sell Ibe, Sterling, Brewster etc for lots of money too.

It is annoying because it's almost self-perpetuating, bigger clubs receive more for their players purely because you assume they're decent players who will rarely ever breakthrough

Chelsea have players in loan to saints, we have players on loan at Ross County 

See the difference?

 

 

[S-Clarke]

It's since 2015, and that's why we're nowhere near. Our academy fell through the floor after 2011, signs it's on the way back now though.

If it was done in say 2010 then we'd be way up on the list having sold Shaw, Lallana, Chambers, Chamberlain in that time frame etc.

Edited 1 March, 2022 by S-Clarke

[Appy]

3 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Since July 2015 we only sold Matt Targett from our academy didn't we? No-one else sold, just released.

Harrison Reed?

[Danbert]

Gallagher?

[VectisSaint]

Sam Gallagher (undisc - thought I read 5m), Jankewitz (undisc), Callum Slattery (undisc), Harrison Reed (6m), Matt Targett (15.6m), Jordan Turnbull (undisc), Dom Gape (undisc), Jason McCarthy (undisc), Obafemi (1.5m). Slim pickings since 2015. Don't know whether loan fees would be included for players we loaned during this period. Did we benefit from any sell-on fees (Alex O-C)?

Of course at the beginning of 2014/15 season we sold Shaw, Lallana and Chambers (68m for the three).

[TWar]

Disclosed fees since 2015:

• Obafemi - £1.8m
• Reed - £5.85m
• Targett - £14m
• Gallagher - £5.85m

Total: £27.5m

However the summer before this started:

• Shaw - £33.75m
• Lallana - £27.9m
• Chambers - £18.2

Total: £79.85m

If those three were sold a year later then we'd have a profit of £107.35m or about 134m euros. This would have us as 23rd on the list, below Dynamo Zagreb and above Villa.

Obviously other sides also probably had sales in 2014, just trying to show how the reason we don't appear is the timescale cuts off our three biggest sales by a year. 

Edited 1 March, 2022 by TWar

[Winnersaint]

Wondering how this matters? Not being snarky btw.

[tajjuk]

I also wonder whether this counts actual academy players or poached players that then develop between 16-21, because the big clubs do that a lot, like Sterling is on that list for Liverpool but he didn't come through their academy, he came through QPRs academy and Liverpool bought him for a fee rising up to £2 million. 

Again for like Man City Iheanacho joined their 'academy' at 18, so hardly like they developed him. 

That is the issue, plenty of genuine ones there obviously like Athletic Club, Ajax, Anderlecht etc. but many of those big clubs just buy players at 15-18 and then they become homegrown if they stay there for 3 years, so count as the 'academy', which obviously the wealthiest clubs can afford to do more often, when we are only spending £15 million or so on players for the first team, we can't exactly spend £3-5 million for the 'academy' that often.  Although this practice should in theory struggle a little more now because Brexit I think has made it so British clubs can't sign players from the EU who are under 18, plus the loan rule changes mean clubs can't 'loan farm' players out which will either clog up their squads or mean they have to stop hoovering up so much talent.