What Is Happening To Our Country?

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Why does it need to be proportionate? What exactly is the problem with companies choosing a diverse range of people to advertise their products?

Appealing to the widest possible range of potential customers.

Of course you then have to ask whether people of a particular ethnicity / skin tone / sexuality would actually be put off buying a product or service because the advert for it didn't include somebody they can immediately identify with.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

When you watch pretty much any drama on TV now you can tick them off. Always a black one, Asian one, gay one, mixed race couple and disabled one. 

Not seeing many TV characters in a Burka 

[Turkish]

26 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Not seeing many TV characters in a Burka 

Husband won’t let ‘em work 

[Gloucester Saint]

Sarah Pochin still going and having a pop at Anas Sarwar now https://www.thenational.scot/news/25572754.racist-reform-uk-mp-attacks-anas-sarwar-white-speech/

[AlexLaw76]

19 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Husband won’t let ‘em work 

No white male (husband) with a burka-clad wife.

Nor do we see gay muslims on TV

[pingpong]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Appealing to the widest possible range of potential customers.

Of course you then have to ask whether people of a particular ethnicity / skin tone / sexuality would actually be put off buying a product or service because the advert for it didn't include somebody they can immediately identify with.

So do you think advertisers are putting diversity ahead of money?

Personally I think it is incredibly naive to think that they are doing anything other than trying to sell as much product as possible, and personally, I think they do a shit ton of work figuring out what works and what doesn't.

They'll know their target markets and what appeals to them.

There are also a lot of misleading stats on this.  I did a research study on this a couple of years ago, and the proportion of BAME actors in adverts was roughly equivalent to the proportion of BAME people in urban populations.  People complaining seem to see the one black woman in an ad and not the 5 white people who are also in it.

[Lord Duckhunter]

8 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Sarah Pochin still going and having a pop at Anas Sarwar now https://www.thenational.scot/news/25572754.racist-reform-uk-mp-attacks-anas-sarwar-white-speech/

What’s the difference, he was moaning about white people being over represented  in certain roles , she was complaining about ethnics being over represented in certain roles.
 

When Scotland is 92% white, it’s not really surprising, but that’s not the point. The only difference is hes one of the “good guys” and she’s from Reform. They’re either both racist or neither of them are. 

[aintforever]

50 minutes ago, pingpong said:

So do you think advertisers are putting diversity ahead of money?

Personally I think it is incredibly naive to think that they are doing anything other than trying to sell as much product as possible, and personally, I think they do a shit ton of work figuring out what works and what doesn't.

They'll know their target markets and what appeals to them.

There are also a lot of misleading stats on this.  I did a research study on this a couple of years ago, and the proportion of BAME actors in adverts was roughly equivalent to the proportion of BAME people in urban populations.  People complaining seem to see the one black woman in an ad and not the 5 white people who are also in it.

Exactly this. I’ve worked in and around advertising for knocking in 30 years and selling is all advertisers care about. Things have changed massively since I started out, back in the 90’s I used to get from some clients “that’s great but lose the black/Asian guy”, nowadays it’s the complete opposite, it’s more “that’s great but we need more diversity”.

It’s all about context, people are making more of an effort for representation now because it was so racist in the past, that is undoubtedly a good thing. 

[Gloucester Saint]

56 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What’s the difference, he was moaning about white people being over represented  in certain roles , she was complaining about ethnics being over represented in certain roles.
 

When Scotland is 92% white, it’s not really surprising, but that’s not the point. The only difference is hes one of the “good guys” and she’s from Reform. They’re either both racist or neither of them are. 

It’s how it’s said, I don’t necessarily agree with Streeting’s original observation but there’s a gulf of difference between saying ‘it’d be good to see more representation’ and ‘I’m sick to death of seeing brown and black faces, there’s no white families’.

It’s not that Streeting’s a good guy, I could pick many holes in that statement, but simply a lot more articulate than Pochin which is a core competence at this level. She’s not 30P Lee from the mines though, she’s studied at a good university and been a JP. She knew what she was saying and has plenty of prior for being a racist.

Mind you, she got reprimanded for dragging politics into that as well (having family members who are JPs, that is no no) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Pochin

[The Kraken]

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Edited yesterday at 06:56 by The Kraken

[east-stand-nic]

14 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Approximately one in six heterosexual women in Thailand have been subjected to domestic violence.  One in six!

The figures are also believed to be widely under reported.

Why would I want to travel to such a backward, abusive country?

Listening to the nutty old lying MSM again hey. Thailand has a superb outlook on such thing. U get in trouble for domestic violence, the neighbours will give you a good kicking FACT. The police turn a blind eye to the kickings. Thailand is far more advance in almost every way now than the UK that has been ruined by you left leaning bleeding heart libtards. 

[egg]

24 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Listening to the nutty old lying MSM again hey. Thailand has a superb outlook on such thing. U get in trouble for domestic violence, the neighbours will give you a good kicking FACT. The police turn a blind eye to the kickings. Thailand is far more advance in almost every way now than the UK that has been ruined by you left leaning bleeding heart libtards. 

Ah, the epitome of an advanced society - neighbours giving wife beaters a good kicking and the police ignoring it. Heart warming stuff. 

It'd be a tad better if there wasn't so much wife beating to begin with. 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Listening to the nutty old lying MSM again hey. Thailand has a superb outlook on such thing. U get in trouble for domestic violence, the neighbours will give you a good kicking FACT. The police turn a blind eye to the kickings. Thailand is far more advance in almost every way now than the UK that has been ruined by you left leaning bleeding heart libtards. 

Presumably in the same way they turn a blind eye to the wife beatings, hence the problem with under reporting.

Backward country.

[Farmer Saint]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPMAm7iDUv4/?igsh=c3hvZHh0ZWs3aWZ2

 

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPMAm7iDUv4/?igsh=c3hvZHh0ZWs3aWZ2

 

I knew brighter people in the fourth stream at secondary school. Farage and Tommy know their market.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Ah, the epitome of an advanced society - neighbours giving wife beaters a good kicking and the police ignoring it. Heart warming stuff. 

It'd be a tad better if there wasn't so much wife beating to begin with. 

It is a strange country. Saddest thing is the sex tourists. Laughable the immigrant thinks it is so advanced. Bet he sends all his money home and all

[rallyboy]

There are clearly some intelligent people who are considering Reform.

But if people find themselves on the same side as the thickest of the thick, the racists and the conspiracy theorists, does an alarm bell not go that makes them wonder if Farage has conned them?

Many, for a second time. 

[Weston Super Saint]

12 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

There are clearly some intelligent people who are considering Reform.

 

Doesn't that highlight the glaring need for a viable alternative?

[egg]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

It is a strange country. Saddest thing is the sex tourists. Laughable the immigrant thinks it is so advanced. Bet he sends all his money home and all

I knew a fella who flew over every year to spend time with a woman who he described as his "kind of wife". While there he spent as much time as he could committing "kind of adultery" with anyone who'd take his cash. 

And I've never met anyone with a shipped in Thai bride who isn't weird. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I haven't met them yet. 

[egg]

37 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Doesn't that highlight the glaring need for a viable alternative?

It depends what people are looking for though. If the viable alternative is predominantly based on an aggressive approach to immigration, what credible party is going to make that their focus? Reform seem to be pandering to a crowd and leaving them to amplify their message. 

[rallyboy]

40 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Doesn't that highlight the glaring need for a viable alternative?

It does - viable being the key word.

Back in 2016 I wanted the UK to get a better deal from the EU, but I never considered punching myself in the face as an option, many chose that self-harm route and it resulted as predicted in self harm, division and the UK becoming a laughing stock around the world.

Now we have the options of two parties who have performed badly, some centralist parties without experience or a party made up of racists, chancers and conmen who have no viable policies and are clearly unfit to run a bath let alone anything important.

Just because we are short of choices doesn't mean people have to punch themselves in the face again, even the thick ones must realise it will hurt. 

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

I knew a fella who flew over every year to spend time with a woman who he described as his "kind of wife". While there he spent as much time as he could committing "kind of adultery" with anyone who'd take his cash. 

And I've never met anyone with a shipped in Thai bride who isn't weird. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I haven't met them yet. 

Hey, don't be so harsh. It's not their fault they can't afford a Russian.

[tdmickey3]

7 minutes ago, egg said:

I knew a fella who flew over every year to spend time with a woman who he described as his "kind of wife". While there he spent as much time as he could committing "kind of adultery" with anyone who'd take his cash. 

And I've never met anyone with a shipped in Thai bride who isn't weird. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I haven't met them yet. 

I think its because they have balls

[Turkish]

5 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Listening to the nutty old lying MSM again hey. Thailand has a superb outlook on such thing. U get in trouble for domestic violence, the neighbours will give you a good kicking FACT. The police turn a blind eye to the kickings. Thailand is far more advance in almost every way now than the UK that has been ruined by you left leaning bleeding heart libtards. 

how do you know so much about Thailand Nic?

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, egg said:

I knew a fella who flew over every year to spend time with a woman who he described as his "kind of wife". While there he spent as much time as he could committing "kind of adultery" with anyone who'd take his cash. 

And I've never met anyone with a shipped in Thai bride who isn't weird. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I haven't met them yet. 

Thailand is also the crime spot in the world for having your identity stolen, i believe.

Edited yesterday at 11:48 by Turkish

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

how do you know so much about Thailand Nic?

[egg]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Thailand is also the crime spot in the world for having your identity stolen, i believe.

So are you saying there's a risk that east-stand-nic could have his identity stolen and we get two of him? 

[Gloucester Saint]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

More like the Lonely Planet guide with all of his whacky conspiracy theories, because the rest of it is out to get him.

[Farmer Saint]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8791y4xxo

Fucking Muslims.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8791y4xxo

Fucking Muslims.

Nope just another load of migrants bringing their despicable behaviour over here to add to the problems of the extremist Islamists. 

[Farmer Saint]

25 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Nope just another load of migrants bringing their despicable behaviour over here to add to the problems of the extremist Islamists. 

Thank God they weren't just looking for the oft repeated "Pakistani Grooming Gangs", and we're instead just looking for "Grooming Gangs" as otherwise they'd never have been caught. It's almost as if paedo's, nonces and criminals come in all creeds and colours, and not just Pakistani Muslims as some people would have you think.

Edited 21 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Thank God they weren't just looking for the oft repeated "Pakistani Grooming Gangs", and we're instead just looking for "Grooming Gangs" as otherwise they'd never have been caught. It's almost as if paedo's, nonces and criminals come in all creeds and colours, and not just Pakistani Muslims as some people would have you think.

Blimey. Who has said that? That would be an insane thing to say. 

[iansums]

41 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Thank God they weren't just looking for the oft repeated "Pakistani Grooming Gangs", and we're instead just looking for "Grooming Gangs" as otherwise they'd never have been caught. It's almost as if paedo's, nonces and criminals come in all creeds and colours, and not just Pakistani Muslims as some people would have you think.

We all know this behaviour is across all ethnic groups, the question is whether it is more prevalent among Muslim and more specifically Pakistani men.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Blimey. Who has said that? That would be an insane thing to say. 

I’ve not read anyone who has said that. He’s just making things up 😂

[sadoldgit]

Yet still women in this country are more likely to be raped or assaulted by white men. Perhaps those desperate to find fault with people with different religions or  colour skins should accept that the problem is men, not specific racial or religious types of men.

40% of the knuckle draggers rioting outside the asylum hotels had “previous” for domestic violence. Farage and his apologists will still have us believe the problem lies in one particular type of man.

Or is it the case that these crimes are somehow much worse if they are committed by men with brown skin, immigrants or Muslims?

Edited 18 hours ago by sadoldgit
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[Weston Super Saint]

38 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Yet still women in this country are more likely to be raped or assaulted by white men.

Is that because there are more white men in this country?

Don't answer that, the rest of us can figure it out for ourselves, it's just you that completely misunderstands statistics.

[ecuk268]

3 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Is that because there are more white men in this country?

Don't answer that, the rest of us can figure it out for ourselves, it's just you that completely misunderstands statistics.

White males make up about 81% of the UK male population.

According to the 2022-2023 figures, white males were responsible for approximately 86% of rapes and about 89% of other sexual assaults.

[east-stand-nic]

11 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Yet still women in this country are more likely to be raped or assaulted by white men. Perhaps those desperate to find fault with people with different religions or  colour skins should accept that the problem is men, not specific racial or religious types of men.

40% of the knuckle draggers rioting outside the asylum hotels had “previous” for domestic violence. Farage and his apologists will still have us believe the problem lies in one particular type of man.

Or is it the case that these crimes are somehow much worse if they are committed by men with brown skin, immigrants or Muslims?

Still defending Muslim rapists I see. Disgusting vile excuse for a human being. 

Edited 7 hours ago by east-stand-nic

[east-stand-nic]

23 hours ago, egg said:

Ah, the epitome of an advanced society - neighbours giving wife beaters a good kicking and the police ignoring it. Heart warming stuff. 

It'd be a tad better if there wasn't so much wife beating to begin with. 

 

23 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Presumably in the same way they turn a blind eye to the wife beatings, hence the problem with under reporting.

Backward country.

 

21 hours ago, whelk said:

It is a strange country. Saddest thing is the sex tourists. Laughable the immigrant thinks it is so advanced. Bet he sends all his money home and all

Oh dear, showing a total lack of worldly knowledge and experience there. May I suggest you go somewhere different next year and not to Spain for the 21st time? 

20 hours ago, egg said:

I knew a fella who flew over every year to spend time with a woman who he described as his "kind of wife". While there he spent as much time as he could committing "kind of adultery" with anyone who'd take his cash. 

And I've never met anyone with a shipped in Thai bride who isn't weird. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I haven't met them yet. 

Oh dear, showing a total lack of worldly knowledge and experience there. May I suggest you go somewhere different next year and not to Spain for the 21st time? 

18 hours ago, Turkish said:

how do you know so much about Thailand Nic?

Lived here 6 years, work for two very large charity groups. I know what happens in family homes, rich and poor and they have much much higher levels of respect for families and far greater hatred toward pedo types etc. The UK government activity promotes pedo stuff and gives them dishwater weak punishments when they are caught. over here you will be dead within a year if caught. 

18 hours ago, Turkish said:

Thailand is also the crime spot in the world for having your identity stolen, i believe.

That is rare as hell over here. ID cards for all. Very hard to cheat someone or take their ID. 

 

I suggest you all try and open up your horizons a little and as i say, pick another spot for a holiday other than Ibiza, Majorca or Spain etc. You may just learn a but about what goes on outside Europe and how in so many ways you are being left behind in crime ridden Ghettos. 

[whelk]

46 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

holiday other than Ibiza, Majorca or Spain etc

That’s the same country worldly wise thick boy. 

And bless he thinks we all live in crime ridden ghettos. An ex pat who can’t wait to read his Daily Mail and kid himself he is in paradise.

Loves ID cards - lol

 

 

 

[whelk]

52 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

far greater hatred toward pedo types etc

Hatred - lol. I have been there and seen fat Germans with 14yos sitting on their laps in bars. That is why they are there because they can be open about their depravity. 
 

 

[east-stand-nic]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

That’s the same country worldly wise thick boy. 

And bless he thinks we all live in crime ridden ghettos. An ex pat who can’t wait to read his Daily Mail and kid himself he is in paradise.

Loves ID cards - lol

 

 

 

Where did I say it wasn't Thicko. Fact is Majorca and Mainland Spain represent two of the most popular destinations for your type. As in, somewhere you can get English fry ups and tomato sauce. 

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Hatred - lol. I have been there and seen fat Germans with 14yos sitting on their laps in bars. That is why they are there because they can be open about their depravity. 
 

 

No, you haven't. Very poor effort at lying. Remember I have spent over 15 years here in total, and 99% of bars have no ladies under the age of 18 FACT. So, you have just shown yourself yup again as trying to make a place look bad by parroting BS you read about and hear about in your Spanish bars. 

Go look at the old news about how Gary Glitter was REFUSED entry into Thailand. Learning yet?

Read up thicko mental mickey lol. 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/aug/21/childprotection.thailand

 

Edited 4 hours ago by east-stand-nic

[egg]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

 

 

Oh dear, showing a total lack of worldly knowledge and experience there. May I suggest you go somewhere different next year and not to Spain for the 21st time? 

Oh dear, showing a total lack of worldly knowledge and experience there. May I suggest you go somewhere different next year and not to Spain for the 21st time? 

Lived here 6 years, work for two very large charity groups. I know what happens in family homes, rich and poor and they have much much higher levels of respect for families and far greater hatred toward pedo types etc. The UK government activity promotes pedo stuff and gives them dishwater weak punishments when they are caught. over here you will be dead within a year if caught. 

That is rare as hell over here. ID cards for all. Very hard to cheat someone or take their ID. 

 

I suggest you all try and open up your horizons a little and as i say, pick another spot for a holiday other than Ibiza, Majorca or Spain etc. You may just learn a but about what goes on outside Europe and how in so many ways you are being left behind in crime ridden Ghettos. 

Amongst all that, you haven't addressed the actual point Weston was making about high levels of domestic abuse.

You don't exactly sell a dream when you say that it happens, and that it's the social norm for the public to beat up on the perpetrators with the police accepting that. Call me old fashioned, but a society with that, kids selling their bodies, sex tourism, etc, isn't one that appeals on any level. 

[whelk]

24 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Where did I say it wasn't Thicko. Fact is Majorca and Mainland Spain represent two of the most popular destinations for your type. As in, somewhere you can get English fry ups and tomato sauce. 

No, you haven't. Very poor effort at lying. Remember I have spent over 15 years here in total, and 99% of bars have no ladies under the age of 18 FACT. So, you have just shown yourself yup again as trying to make a place look bad by parroting BS you read about and hear about in your Spanish bars. 

Go look at the old news about how Gary Glitter was REFUSED entry into Thailand. Learning yet?

Maybe you are one of them?

I expect I have been to more countries than you. Funny how you like to denigrate others and put them in a box to allow yourself to think you are superior. The fact that you boast about travelling tells a lot. The insecure bore with a prop.
 

Let us know what charities you work for and I will make sure I do not donate. The thought that such a salary thief is taking well intentioned donations is a worry. 

Edited 5 hours ago by whelk

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Maybe you are one of them?

I expect I have been to more countries than you. Funny how you like to denigrate others and put them in a box to allow yourself to think you are superior. The fact that you boast about travelling tells a lot. The insecure bore with a prop.
 

Let us know what charities you work for and I will make sure I not donate. The thought that such a salary thief is taking well intentioned donations is a worry. 

Probably gonna be a 5k walk coming up so if he posts the link to sponsorship we all can 

Edited 3 hours ago by Turkish

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Amongst all that, you haven't addressed the actual point Weston was making about high levels of domestic abuse.

You don't exactly sell a dream when you say that it happens, and that it's the social norm for the public to beat up on the perpetrators with the police accepting that. Call me old fashioned, but a society with that, kids selling their bodies, sex tourism, etc, isn't one that appeals on any level. 

He seems to know very little about Thailand - beginning to think he is lying

[whelk]

This country is great - get accused of something and get beaten to death. No trial, nuffink and you can get away with killing ‘em no questions asked

Edited 4 hours ago by whelk

[tdmickey3]

29 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Where did I say it wasn't Thicko. Fact is Majorca and Mainland Spain represent two of the most popular destinations for your type. As in, somewhere you can get English fry ups and tomato sauce. 

No, you haven't. Very poor effort at lying. Remember I have spent over 15 years here in total, and 99% of bars have no ladies under the age of 18 FACT. So, you have just shown yourself yup again as trying to make a place look bad by parroting BS you read about and hear about in your Spanish bars. 

Go look at the old news about how Gary Glitter was REFUSED entry into Thailand. Learning yet?

https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/thailand_feature.mp4/view

You lying prick

[Farmer Saint]

East Stand Nic having a bit of a melt down?

[egg]

8 minutes ago, whelk said:

He seems to know very little about Thailand - beginning to think he is lying

He's there I reckon, just seems to have a moral compass that spins around like a roulette wheel.