What Is Happening To Our Country?

[Farmer Saint]

7 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Do you really think we have people here pleased 3 people are dead, and a fourth in a critical condition? I'd hope not. Bit grim if that's the case.

Well, they did invade Ukraine resulting in countries taking a lot of refugees. So, technically that counts.

But this is about Muslims, as BP said earlier.

And yeah, I really do think there are some on here.

[benjii]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm just not convinced they are funding ever single person coming from Africa. How does that even work? And why wouldn't they just invest in and create wars so that we HAVE to take them instead as they actually qualify as refugees? All seems too far fetched for me.

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/2025/11/13/how-russia-uses-migration-as-a-weapon/

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/border-and-migration-politics-and-the-kremlins-hybrid-war/

 

https://africacenter.org/spotlight/mapping-a-surge-of-disinformation-in-africa/

 

https://table.media/en/security/talk-of-the-town/geopolitics-russia-extends-its-reach-across-sahel-migration-routes

 

https://forbiddenstories.org/propaganda-machine-secret-documents-reveal-russias-foreign-influence-strategy-across-three-continents/

 

https://www.csis.org/blogs/brexit-bits-bobs-and-blogs/did-russia-influence-brexit

 

[egg]

25 minutes ago, benjii said:

I'm surprised that some people are surprised at the suggestion that Russia attempts to stoke migration into Europe, discord in the Islamic world and interference in Brexit.

All of the above is well documented and not really up for debate.

That it's widely claimed is a reason why it should be up for debate. 

Russian interference, to some extent, isn't beyond the realms. 

BP's Qatar claim though. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

10 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But this is about Muslims, as BP said earlier.

And yeah, I really do think there are some on here.

2022 survey states Ukraine population was 1% Muslim. Little steps. 🙂

 

 

[Farmer Saint]

7 minutes ago, benjii said:

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/2025/11/13/how-russia-uses-migration-as-a-weapon/

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/border-and-migration-politics-an

12 minutes ago, benjii said:

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/2025/11/13/how-russia-uses-migration-as-a-weapon/

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/border-and-migration-politics-and-the-kremlins-hybrid-war/

 

https://africacenter.org/spotlight/mapping-a-surge-of-disinformation-in-africa/

 

https://table.media/en/security/talk-of-the-town/geopolitics-russia-extends-its-reach-across-sahel-migration-routes

 

https://forbiddenstories.org/propaganda-machine-secret-documents-reveal-russias-foreign-influence-strategy-across-three-continents/

 

https://www.csis.org/blogs/brexit-bits-bobs-and-blogs/did-russia-influence-brexit

 

d-the-kremlins-hybrid-war/

 

https://africacenter.org/spotlight/mapping-a-surge-of-disinformation-in-africa/

 

https://table.media/en/security/talk-of-the-town/geopolitics-russia-extends-its-reach-across-sahel-migration-routes

 

https://forbiddenstories.org/propaganda-machine-secret-documents-reveal-russias-foreign-influence-strategy-across-three-continents/

 

https://www.csis.org/blogs/brexit-bits-bobs-and-blogs/did-russia-influence-brexit

 

I've read the first 3 and none of them have said Russia are funding the people crossing into Europe via Spain. I'm sure that claim is in there somewhere, but I've not got time to read all of them.

I just don't know how it would work. Misinformation I get, and I think that is a huge issue (see Cueta a few weeks ago).

[ecuk268]

4 hours ago, bpsaint said:

When they throw their passports overboard and claim to be fleeing persecution as they’re gay they’ll soon be given asylum to the uk, live on state handouts at our expense, and vote for the party that gave it to them. 

Any evidence to support your ramblings?

Regarding arrival without a required valid entry clearance or electronic travel authorisation, having made a dangerous journey:

A person who applies for citizenship from 10 February 2025 who has previously arrived without a required valid entry clearance or electronic travel authorisation, having made a dangerous journey will normally be refused citizenship. A dangerous journey includes, but is not limited to, travelling by small boat or concealed in a vehicle or other conveyance. It does not include, for example, arrival as a passenger with a commercial airline. 

What do these changes mean?

These changes affect people who apply for British citizenship after 10 February 2025, if they arrived in the UK without entry clearance, or if they made a ‘dangerous’ journey, no matter how long they have lived in the UK. The guidance explains that a ‘dangerous’ journey means travel by boat or in a lorry, but does not include travel on a commercial airline.

 

[badgerx16]

Random SM account > facts.

[bpsaint]

22 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Any evidence to support your ramblings?

Regarding arrival without a required valid entry clearance or electronic travel authorisation, having made a dangerous journey:

A person who applies for citizenship from 10 February 2025 who has previously arrived without a required valid entry clearance or electronic travel authorisation, having made a dangerous journey will normally be refused citizenship. A dangerous journey includes, but is not limited to, travelling by small boat or concealed in a vehicle or other conveyance. It does not include, for example, arrival as a passenger with a commercial airline. 

What do these changes mean?

These changes affect people who apply for British citizenship after 10 February 2025, if they arrived in the UK without entry clearance, or if they made a ‘dangerous’ journey, no matter how long they have lived in the UK. The guidance explains that a ‘dangerous’ journey means travel by boat or in a lorry, but does not include travel on a commercial airline.

 

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/98-of-channel-boat-migrants-have-no-passport/
 

Can’t do a background check on a known terrorist if they have no proof of ID. Then they get to live it up at our expense whilst their asylum claim is processed. Pretty clear it’s what they do yet only the fools deny it.

[ecuk268]

1 minute ago, bpsaint said:

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/98-of-channel-boat-migrants-have-no-passport/
 

Can’t do a background check on a known terrorist if they have no proof of ID. Then they get to live it up at our expense whilst their asylum claim is processed. Pretty clear it’s what they do yet only the fools deny it.

But they still cannot get citizenship and therefore vote, which was your original point.

As for "living it up", they get £49 per week if food is not provided or £9.95 if it is.

[bpsaint]

3 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

But they still cannot get citizenship and therefore vote, which was your original point.

As for "living it up", they get £49 per week if food is not provided or £9.95 if it is.

So 3 square meals a day, a roof over their head, free mobile phones and clothing, that’s assuming they don’t “vanish” as so many do and go get jobs working for front companies like Deliveroo, and yet there’s plenty of Brits struggling to make ends meet. Dress it up how you want but they’re living the sweet life at our expense.

Edited 7 hours ago by bpsaint

[Weston Super Saint]

8 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/98-of-channel-boat-migrants-have-no-passport/
 

Can’t do a background check on a known terrorist if they have no proof of ID. Then they get to live it up at our expense whilst their asylum claim is processed. Pretty clear it’s what they do yet only the fools deny it.

From that link, is this the 'them' that have been putting plans in place since the 50's?

 

[Farmer Saint]

13 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

So 3 square meals a day, a roof over their head, free mobile phones and clothing, that’s assuming they don’t “vanish” as so many do and go get jobs working for front companies like Deliveroo, and yet there’s plenty of Brits struggling to make ends meet. Dress it up how you want but they’re living the sweet life at our expense.

They don't get mobile phones and clothing.

Isn't it funny how different people interpret "the sweet life". Your life must be fucking depressing.

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

They don't get mobile phones and clothing.

Isn't it funny how different people interpret "the sweet life". Your life must be fucking depressing.

In the land of the blind the one one eyed man is king. If you’re an economic migrant  fleeing war and tyranny then being a Deliveroo driver in Bradford probably feels like la dolce vita 

[badgerx16]

21 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

 ...free mobile phones ......

Totally and absolutely incorrect.

[bpsaint]

8 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

They don't get mobile phones and clothing.

Isn't it funny how different people interpret "the sweet life". Your life must be fucking depressing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/08/13/free-vodafone-sim-cards-channel-migrants/

[bpsaint]

11 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

They don't get mobile phones and clothing.

Isn't it funny how different people interpret "the sweet life". Your life must be fucking depressing.

Getting paid to sit around all day and do fuck all whilst not having to want for anything? Yeah I’d say they’ve got it pretty sweet whilst the rest of us have go to work and pay towards their stay.

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/08/13/free-vodafone-sim-cards-channel-migrants/

Paywalled. Can you copy what it actually says as a free SIM card is not a free phone?

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, bpsaint said:

Getting paid to sit around all day and do fuck all whilst not having to want for anything? Yeah I’d say they’ve got it pretty sweet whilst the rest of us have go to work and pay towards their stay.

Again, if that is your interpretation of the sweet life I can see why you'd be angry about them.

Personally, get three poor meals a day, and a personal allowance of £6, with nothing to do, awaiting a decision on whether my life is going to be shit, or shitter, is not what I would consider the sweet life. But that's horses for courses, and your life may make that look like living it up.

[bpsaint]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Paywalled. Can you copy what it actually says as a free SIM card is not a free phone?

“meaning the charities are free to distribute them to anyone in the UK who would benefit from six months of free data, calls and texts, according to the Telegraph.

Mr Yusuf told GB News: "British people are rightly outraged that a company of the size and scale of Vodafone is handing out SIM cards to military-aged men who they know are breaking into Britain. That is precisely what Vodafone have been doing."

Free phones/free sim, same shit - either way another freebie that adds to their sweet life at our expense.

[Farmer Saint]

6 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

“meaning the charities are free to distribute them to anyone in the UK who would benefit from six months of free data, calls and texts, according to the Telegraph.

Mr Yusuf told GB News: "British people are rightly outraged that a company of the size and scale of Vodafone is handing out SIM cards to military-aged men who they know are breaking into Britain. That is precisely what Vodafone have been doing."

Free phones/free sim, same shit - either way another freebie that adds to their sweet life at our expense.

A free phone is not the same as a free SIM. If I gave you a free SIM, with no phone, what would you do with it?

[whelk]

12 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Paywalled. Can you copy what it actually says as a free SIM card is not a free phone?

They all get iPhone Pros 512GB and given a choice of colour. Couldn’t make it up

[bpsaint]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

A free phone is not the same as a free SIM. If I gave you a free SIM, with no phone, what would you do with it?

I’m sure the same charities handing out sims will be handing out handsets too. Or they can buy one with their free money.

[iansums]

Just now, whelk said:

They all get iPhone Pros 512GB and given a choice of colour. Couldn’t make it up

Only 512Gb? Fuckin racism 

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

I’m sure the same charities handing out sims will be handing out handsets too. Or they can buy one with their free money.

Can you find where in that article it says they get free handsets?

I guess they'll just have to save up their £7 a day, but I have to say, the more I am hearing about this the cushier their lives seem, I have to say.

Edited 6 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[whelk]

15 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Again, if that is your interpretation of the sweet life I can see why you'd be angry about them.

Personally, get three poor meals a day, and a personal allowance of £6, with nothing to do, awaiting a decision on whether my life is going to be shit, or shitter, is not what I would consider the sweet life. But that's horses for courses, and your life may make that look like living it up.

It’s all relative - clearly there is attraction in moving to a Western democracy with safety nets over where they have probably come from.

[bpsaint]

11 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Can you find where in that article it says they get free handsets?

I guess they'll just have to save up their £7 a day, but I have to say, the more I am hearing about this the cushier their lives seem, I have to say.

And what handouts do you think they’d get if they tried claiming asylum in a nearby Muslim country instead of heading to Europe out of curiousity?

[ecuk268]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

So 3 square meals a day, a roof over their head, free mobile phones and clothing, that’s assuming they don’t “vanish” as so many do and go get jobs working for front companies like Deliveroo, and yet there’s plenty of Brits struggling to make ends meet. Dress it up how you want but they’re living the sweet life at our expense.

The government does not provide free phones or clothing.

If they're working for Deliveroo, how are they living at our expense?

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, whelk said:

It’s all relative - clearly there is attraction in moving to a Western democracy with safety nets over where they have probably come from.

Absolutely it is, but I can't imagine many people over here would think that.

[badgerx16]

55 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/08/13/free-vodafone-sim-cards-channel-migrants/

 

49 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Paywalled. Can you copy what it actually says as a free SIM card is not a free phone?

Vodafone donated SIM cards to a charity for distribution to migrants. The charity and Vodafone say 2200, the DT says 2500.

 

https://www.cityam.com/vodafone-defends-migrant-sim-scheme-after-reform-threat/

 

Edited 6 hours ago by badgerx16

[bpsaint]

13 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

The government does not provide free phones or clothing.

If they're working for Deliveroo, how are they living at our expense?

Illegally working on shared courier profiles whilst living in government funded accommodation as “asylum seekers” whilst still being paid their allowance from our taxes. There’s plenty of articles online about it.

[egg]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

Getting paid to sit around all day and do fuck all whilst not having to want for anything? Yeah I’d say they’ve got it pretty sweet whilst the rest of us have go to work and pay towards their stay.

Sitting around all day doing nothing sounds horrendous, unless you're about 80 and have lived your life. 

On one hand you're suggesting people want to come here and sit on their arse, and on the other hand saying they want to work for deliveroo. Pick a lane. 

Edited 5 hours ago by egg

[Farmer Saint]

26 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

And what handouts do you think they’d get if they tried claiming asylum in a nearby Muslim country instead of heading to Europe out of curiousity?

Nothing, but I'm not arguing that they would?

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

Getting paid to sit around all day and do fuck all whilst not having to want for anything? Yeah I’d say they’ve got it pretty sweet whilst the rest of us have go to work and pay towards their stay.

I would expect that the average asylum seeker/economic migrant would likely have a better work ethic that the average northern monkey flag shagger. The problem is while they are being processed they are not allowed to work so there is no choice but to give them benefits.

 

[badgerx16]

14 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I would expect that the average asylum seeker/economic migrant would likely have a better work ethic that the average northern monkey flag shagger. The problem is while they are being processed they are not allowed to work so there is no choice but to give them benefits.

 

Oi !!

Stop being regionalist - probably more flag shaggers in Essex than anywhere else.

[Turkish]

36 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I would expect that the average asylum seeker/economic migrant would likely have a better work ethic that the average northern monkey flag shagger. The problem is while they are being processed they are not allowed to work so there is no choice but to give them benefits.

 

Based on what?

[AlexLaw76]

48 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I would expect that the average asylum seeker/economic migrant would likely have a better work ethic that the average northern monkey flag shagger. The problem is while they are being processed they are not allowed to work so there is no choice but to give them benefits.

 

There is no choice but to give them benefits, absolutely none, nothing we can do what so ever, hands are tied!

[Farmer Saint]

34 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

There is no choice but to give them benefits, absolutely none, nothing we can do what so ever, hands are tied!

We give enough British people benefits who shouldn't have them, but unfortunately those that know don't have the balls to report them.

[bpsaint]

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744
 

Handing out leaflets now telling them not to rape women. Diversity is our strength.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

In the land of the blind the one one eyed man is king. If you’re an economic migrant  fleeing war and tyranny then being a Deliveroo driver in Bradford probably feels like la dolce vita 

Clearly, they shouldn't be in Bradford when they can speak Italian. 🙂

[Sir Ralph]

So if you come here you get allowance into a hotel with 3 meals a day and healthcare, including free dental at the asylum seeker accommodation, as well as free prescriptions. You dont have to do anything for it. If you then work off payroll you can supplement your income. That is why people come. They have to do nothing to have all this compared to their own countries where even if they worked they wouldnt receive this. Plus you live in a much improved environment. Oh and charities provide sim cards, clothes, phones and legal advice.  Imagine coming living in a country where you have to work and still cannot benefit from free health / dental care, 3 meals a day et and you land here, get given this and get put up in London where you can freely roam around taking in the tourist sites. Too many incentives. Too many people are too naive .

They must walk past the homeless and think we are completely off our heads.

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Clearly, they shouldn't be in Bradford when they can speak Italian. 🙂

Speaking Urdo and itaiian get them an extra quid an hour pal

Edited 2 hours ago by Turkish

[Holmes_and_Watson]

52 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744
 

Handing out leaflets now telling them not to rape women. Diversity is our strength.

Considering recent headlines of rape, coercive behaviour, drink spiking, toxic masculinity etc, they could do with widening the distribution.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744
 

Handing out leaflets now telling them not to rape women. Diversity is our strength.

Should have given it to these guys:

[bpsaint]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Should have given it to these guys:

Lovely bit of Whataboutism there.