What Is Happening To Our Country?

[trousers]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Ryanair are refusing to refund the tickets of Stephen Crean, injured in the train attack, whose injuries mean he cannot now take the flight he had booked to watch Notts Forest play in Austria.

Ryanair's / O'Leary's whole marketing schtick is to make light of bad publicity to the point where they almost crave it... Not sure if they'll get away with it on this occasion though.

[Sir Ralph]

3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

OK, so once again you failed, even though I made it oh so simple for you. Shall we try again? 

By letting in tens of thousands of unchecked males, who in many cases already have criminal records in their own country, are we making our citizens safer? Should we be putting them in free hotels in the heart of our communities? 

So, I hate brown people (yet I am married to one)? Can you tell me which of these things I believe in please. I hate Jews yes? You certainly do, but where have I ever said anything anti-Semite?  I want to burn books? I want to ban freedom of speech? I want someone to come in and rule with an iron totalitarian fist do I? What other things have i factually said on here that make me a Nazi? In your own words please. 

In terms of whites vs Muslims on rape gangs, it is you who always uses comparisons to whites to justify Muslim attacks, not me. Neither do I do it the other way around. Have I ever said i defend the rights of white people to do anything they want?

You are typical of a fascist. Someone has a differing view to you and they are a Nazi. As others have said countless times, It is you that wants to ban freedom of speech and you would revel in the deaths of people like Farage, where as I revel in the death of no one! It is you who clearly has Nazi thought process as you would gladly do away with all of us who have views to the right of your far left views. That makes you the Nazi Fascist not me and not the others. 

Now then, let us see if you can answer the questions above. And also, have a quick read of the below stats and try not to blow your top. 

Statistics from the UK Ministry of Justice (MoJ) and Home Office data analysis indicate that foreign nationals are

overrepresented in rape and sexual offence statistics relative to their share of the population. 

 

Key findings from data, primarily from 2021-2024, show:

 

• Foreign nationals accounted for approximately 15% to 23% of all sexual offence convictions between 2021 and 2023, despite making up around 9.3% of the population in England and Wales at the time.
• When calculating rates per capita, foreign nationals were convicted of sexual offences at a rate approximately 71% higher than British citizens. For arrests for sexual offences, they were around 3.5 times more likely to be arrested.
• For convictions of "rape of a female aged 16 or over" in 2024, foreign nationals accounted for up to a quarter of all convictions. The conviction rate per 100,000 population was reported as 142% higher for foreign nationals compared to the British population.
• Certain nationalities, such as Afghans and Eritreans, had significantly higher conviction rates for sexual offences compared to the British average. 

Don’t quote facts, that’s not fair

[Sir Ralph]

15 hours ago, ecuk268 said:

The figures on offenders and the proportion convicted come from the Ministry of Justice.

Can you share with me the MoJs figures on proportionate offences by nationality?

im trying to get to the point of what you’re saying. You mentioned that the stats in the graph I showed aren’t completely correct / up to date. However, they are evidentially based and show a correlation. In lieu of you questioning them is there any evidence that foreign nationals don’t commit more sexual offences proportionately?

Edited 7 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Can you share with me the MoJs figures on proportionate offences by nationality?

im trying to get to the point of what you’re saying. You mentioned that the stats in the graph I showed aren’t completely correct / up to date. However, they are evidentially based and show a correlation. In lieu of you questioning them is there any evidence that foreign nationals don’t commit more sexual offences proportionately?

Nice try, completely ignoring the fact that certain people ignore sexual crimes carried out by white people and only focus on those carried out by certain racial types or foreign nationals as you put it. I guess you get your info from Farage?

https://news.sky.com/story/fact-checking-farage-are-foreigners-more-likely-than-britons-to-commit-sexual-offences-13407029

Edited 6 hours ago by sadoldgit

[Sir Ralph]

11 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Nice try, completely ignoring the fact that certain people ignore sexual crimes carried out by white people and only focus on those carried out by certain racial types or foreign nationals as you put it. I guess you get your info from Farage?

https://news.sky.com/story/fact-checking-farage-are-foreigners-more-likely-than-britons-to-commit-sexual-offences-13407029

Can you please explain to me what this article evidences?

[badgerx16]

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

There are liars, damned liars, and politicians.

[east-stand-nic]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Can you please explain to me what this article evidences?

He ignored the facts as ever as they were posted. He and many other left loons will never accept the facts. Perhaps they support this kind of behaviour in some way, who knows. From his own link below

...

Our estimates conclude that Afghans are closer to three times more likely to be convicted of a sexual offence than someone born in the UK, rather than 22 times. Although limitations to the data, which we will explain later on, mean that it is not currently possible to make a fully accurate conclusion.

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

There are liars, damned liars, and politicians.

Accept when those stats support your views. It is just so childish on the left. 

[sadoldgit]

4 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

OK, so once again you failed, even though I made it oh so simple for you. Shall we try again? 

By letting in tens of thousands of unchecked males, who in many cases already have criminal records in their own country, are we making our citizens safer? Should we be putting them in free hotels in the heart of our communities? 

So, I hate brown people (yet I am married to one)? Can you tell me which of these things I believe in please. I hate Jews yes? You certainly do, but where have I ever said anything anti-Semite?  I want to burn books? I want to ban freedom of speech? I want someone to come in and rule with an iron totalitarian fist do I? What other things have i factually said on here that make me a Nazi? In your own words please. 

In terms of whites vs Muslims on rape gangs, it is you who always uses comparisons to whites to justify Muslim attacks, not me. Neither do I do it the other way around. Have I ever said i defend the rights of white people to do anything they want?

You are typical of a fascist. Someone has a differing view to you and they are a Nazi. As others have said countless times, It is you that wants to ban freedom of speech and you would revel in the deaths of people like Farage, where as I revel in the death of no one! It is you who clearly has Nazi thought process as you would gladly do away with all of us who have views to the right of your far left views. That makes you the Nazi Fascist not me and not the others. 

Now then, let us see if you can answer the questions above. And also, have a quick read of the below stats and try not to blow your top. 

Statistics from the UK Ministry of Justice (MoJ) and Home Office data analysis indicate that foreign nationals are

overrepresented in rape and sexual offence statistics relative to their share of the population. 

 

Key findings from data, primarily from 2021-2024, show:

 

• Foreign nationals accounted for approximately 15% to 23% of all sexual offence convictions between 2021 and 2023, despite making up around 9.3% of the population in England and Wales at the time.
• When calculating rates per capita, foreign nationals were convicted of sexual offences at a rate approximately 71% higher than British citizens. For arrests for sexual offences, they were around 3.5 times more likely to be arrested.
• For convictions of "rape of a female aged 16 or over" in 2024, foreign nationals accounted for up to a quarter of all convictions. The conviction rate per 100,000 population was reported as 142% higher for foreign nationals compared to the British population.
• Certain nationalities, such as Afghans and Eritreans, had significantly higher conviction rates for sexual offences compared to the British average. 

You really are quite thick aren’t you. Not once have I justified sexual attacks on women, be they buy anybody. YOU are the one making a distinction between certain groups of sexual attackers.

It is quite possible to have a biased against certain racial types by being married to one. Your mate Farage, despite his clear dislike of Europeans seem to chose those to share his bed with.

What is all this crap about “letting” people in? You make it sound like we have a choice in the matter. They have been “let” in for years and we have been trying to deal with the problem does years. Where is the sign at Dover saying “Rapists Welcome”?

The vast majority of asylum seekers are not criminals. Do you understand that? Yes, some do commit crimes, just as people who are white commit crimes. Those are dealt with. You seem to have a Farage like obsession with painting all of them as a threat. My point to you, time and time again, is that, in any society, a small percentage of the population will be a threat to the rest. When you focus on just one element, then that, my dear deluded friend, is pure racism.

We have a legal obligation to house people seeking asylum in this country. It may upset you but it is the humane thing to do. The Tories didn’t bother about trying to deal meaningfully with the claims so let the numbers mount up…in hotels. Have you seen the conditions in which these people live? If you think they were like normal paying guests in normal hotels you are even more deluded than I thought. Forget “hotels”, they were given rooms. Where else were they supposed to go? The Government are trying to open up an army camp in Crowborough but the locals are up in arms. Where would you put them? Would you have them living rough on the streets? The way you write about these people, just like Farage, you make them sound like they are all a threat to us. This is exactly what happened back in the 30’s. Blame immigrants for everything that is wrong in your life. I have no idea if you actually are a “Nazi” but you sure as hell swallow and regurgitate the same crap.

It is ironic, on Remembrance Sunday, that we are having this conversation. On the day we remember all those who lost their lives fighting this kind of tyranny against freedom from oppression, people like you are still making a case for it. Proud of yourself?
 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

 

What is all this crap about “letting” people in? You make it sound like we have a choice in the matter. 
 

Everything is a political choice. Like the bloke who was deported within 72 hours of being picked up after being accidentally released from prison. We all know it would have been extremely unlikely such swift measures would have taken place if he hadn't been accidentally released, or if it did not make the news.

[east-stand-nic]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You really are quite thick aren’t you. Not once have I justified sexual attacks on women, be they buy anybody. YOU are the one making a distinction between certain groups of sexual attackers.

It is quite possible to have a biased against certain racial types by being married to one. Your mate Farage, despite his clear dislike of Europeans seem to chose those to share his bed with.

What is all this crap about “letting” people in? You make it sound like we have a choice in the matter. They have been “let” in for years and we have been trying to deal with the problem does years. Where is the sign at Dover saying “Rapists Welcome”?

The vast majority of asylum seekers are not criminals. Do you understand that? Yes, some do commit crimes, just as people who are white commit crimes. Those are dealt with. You seem to have a Farage like obsession with painting all of them as a threat. My point to you, time and time again, is that, in any society, a small percentage of the population will be a threat to the rest. When you focus on just one element, then that, my dear deluded friend, is pure racism.

We have a legal obligation to house people seeking asylum in this country. It may upset you but it is the humane thing to do. The Tories didn’t bother about trying to deal meaningfully with the claims so let the numbers mount up…in hotels. Have you seen the conditions in which these people live? If you think they were like normal paying guests in normal hotels you are even more deluded than I thought. Forget “hotels”, they were given rooms. Where else were they supposed to go? The Government are trying to open up an army camp in Crowborough but the locals are up in arms. Where would you put them? Would you have them living rough on the streets? The way you write about these people, just like Farage, you make them sound like they are all a threat to us. This is exactly what happened back in the 30’s. Blame immigrants for everything that is wrong in your life. I have no idea if you actually are a “Nazi” but you sure as hell swallow and regurgitate the same crap.

It is ironic, on Remembrance Sunday, that we are having this conversation. On the day we remember all those who lost their lives fighting this kind of tyranny against freedom from oppression, people like you are still making a case for it. Proud of yourself?
 

Did you not see the interview with the WW2 veteran then in regards to remembrance day? Is he also being disrespectful on such a day to say what he did? Oh dear. Not going well for you today is it. 

Your reply once again is just so wrong on so many levels and once again you have totally ignored all my questions which speaks volumes. You have ignored them as you cannot answer them without accepting I am correct. 

I note also a massive back pedal on me being a nazi from,,, yes you are one to, I have no idea if you are one. Can you make up your mind? 😏 

Edited 5 hours ago by east-stand-nic

[ecuk268]

2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Can you share with me the MoJs figures on proportionate offences by nationality?

im trying to get to the point of what you’re saying. You mentioned that the stats in the graph I showed aren’t completely correct / up to date. However, they are evidentially based and show a correlation. In lieu of you questioning them is there any evidence that foreign nationals don’t commit more sexual offences proportionately?

They are not comparing like with like.

Crime stats from 2024 compared with population stats from 2021 will give a misleading result, as will using offences reported as against convictions.

Correlation does not imply causality.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

 

Accept when those stats support your views. It is just so childish on the left. 

"Except...".

Everybody, ( right, left, centre, commie, fascist ), might at times use slanted statistics to 'prove' their case. As everybody knows, 78% of statistics are made up.

Edited 4 hours ago by badgerx16

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Did you not see the interview with the WW2 veteran then in regards to remembrance day? Is he also being disrespectful on such a day to say what he did? Oh dear. Not going well for you today is it. 

Your reply once again is just so wrong on so many levels and once again you have totally ignored all my questions which speaks volumes. You have ignored them as you cannot answer them without accepting I am correct. 

I note also a massive back pedal on me being a nazi from,,, yes you are one to, I have no idea if you are one. Can you make up your mind? 😏 

nic, Sir Ralph and Turkish. What an unholy trinity.

I’ll be honest nic, I usually just skim read your posts as I lose the will to live half way through them. You are clearly so wrapped up in your own prejudices that you are stuck in a Faragw mentality and are probably beyond reasoning with, but I will give it another try.

As much as you don’t like answering questions, let us try this one for size. If nothing else it might help you finally understand where I am coming from.

It is a role play, I hope you are okay with that?

Imagine that you are a young woman walking home at night down a dimly lit street. You are aware of a man walking 10 paces behind you. What goes through your mind?

a) I hope that man isn’t a Muslim or a foreign national

or

b) I hope that man doesn’t sexually assault me?

My answer would be b. Why? Because it really doesn’t matter where the man comes from or what he believes in if his intention is to assault the woman. That is the issue and that is why the law in this country does not differentiate between sexual crimes carried out by white Anglo Saxons and foreign nationals or Muslims.

As for the Nazi thing, I was janking your chain. But if it looks like a duck, quack likes a duck and waddles like a duck it is probably a duck. I have no idea just how far right you are but you clearly parrot Farage’s doctrine so it is safe to assume you are far from being close to the centre right.

As for the veteran, bless him. Anyone saying that it wasn’t worth winning WW2 is deluded. Of course it was. Would he have wanted the holocaust to carry on here? Nazi flags outside Whitehall? You also conveniently ignore the many veterans who call out Farage and his supporters and say that they are what they fought against. As much as you might like to believe otherwise, we are better off without extenuate running our country. Just look at the way democracy is being trampled on in the US today. Want that here? Because that is what you will get if Reform get in.

As for vets, sadly I expect you will find some Vietnam War vets wearing MAGA caps too.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by sadoldgit

[Turkish]

25 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

nic, Sir Ralph and Turkish. What an unholy trinity.

I’ll be honest nic, I usually just skim read your posts as I lose the will to live half way through them. You are clearly so wrapped up in your own prejudices that you are stuck in a Faragw mentality and are probably beyond reasoning with, but I will give it another try.

As much as you don’t like answering questions, let us try this one for size. If nothing else it might help you finally understand where I am coming from.

It is a role play, I hope you are okay with that?

Imagine that you are a young woman walking home at night down a dimly lit street. You are aware of a man walking 10 paces behind you. What goes through your mind?

a) I hope that man isn’t a Muslim or a foreign national

or

b) I hope that man doesn’t sexually assault me?

My answer would be b. Why? Because it really doesn’t matter where the man comes from or what he believes in if his intention is to assault the woman. That is the issue and that is why the law in this country does not differentiate between sexual crimes carried out by white Anglo Saxons and foreign nationals or Muslims.

As for the Nazi thing, I was janking your chain. But if it looks like a duck, quack likes a duck and waddles like a duck it is probably a duck. I have no idea just how far right you are but you clearly parrot Farage’s doctrine so it is safe to assume you are far from being close to the centre right.

As for the veteran, bless him. Anyone saying that it wasn’t worth winning WW2 is deluded. Of course it was. Would he have wanted the holocaust to carry on here? Nazi flags outside Whitehall? You also conveniently ignore the many veterans who call out Farage and his supporters and say that they are what they fought against. As much as you might like to believe otherwise, we are better off without extenuate running our country. Just look at the way democracy is being trampled on in the US today. Want that here? Because that is what you will get if Reform get in.

As for vets, sadly I expect you will find some Vietnam War vets wearing MAGA caps too.

 

Why are you lumping me in with them you weirdo? The only thing the three of us have in common as we all think you’re a pious, self righteous, bullshitting bellend, but then so do most people on here.

[iansums]

18 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Why are you lumping me in with them you weirdo? The only thing the three of us have in common as we all think you’re a pious, self righteous, bullshitting bellend, but then so do most people on here.

I’ll swap places with you Turks

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

nic, Sir Ralph and Turkish. What an unholy trinity.

I’ll be honest nic, I usually just skim read your posts as I lose the will to live half way through them. You are clearly so wrapped up in your own prejudices that you are stuck in a Faragw mentality and are probably beyond reasoning with, but I will give it another try.

As much as you don’t like answering questions, let us try this one for size. If nothing else it might help you finally understand where I am coming from.

It is a role play, I hope you are okay with that?

Imagine that you are a young woman walking home at night down a dimly lit street. You are aware of a man walking 10 paces behind you. What goes through your mind?

a) I hope that man isn’t a Muslim or a foreign national

or

b) I hope that man doesn’t sexually assault me?

My answer would be b. Why? Because it really doesn’t matter where the man comes from or what he believes in if his intention is to assault the woman. That is the issue and that is why the law in this country does not differentiate between sexual crimes carried out by white Anglo Saxons and foreign nationals or Muslims.

As for the Nazi thing, I was janking your chain. But if it looks like a duck, quack likes a duck and waddles like a duck it is probably a duck. I have no idea just how far right you are but you clearly parrot Farage’s doctrine so it is safe to assume you are far from being close to the centre right.

As for the veteran, bless him. Anyone saying that it wasn’t worth winning WW2 is deluded. Of course it was. Would he have wanted the holocaust to carry on here? Nazi flags outside Whitehall? You also conveniently ignore the many veterans who call out Farage and his supporters and say that they are what they fought against. As much as you might like to believe otherwise, we are better off without extenuate running our country. Just look at the way democracy is being trampled on in the US today. Want that here? Because that is what you will get if Reform get in.

As for vets, sadly I expect you will find some Vietnam War vets wearing MAGA caps too.

 

Give it rest you boring twat….