Woke Mind Virus?

[sadoldgit]

Ok, so what is it? Elon Musk is railing against this supposed condition, but what is it? There is a discussion about it on LBC this morning. When trying to get to the bottom of the meaning they have been trying to define “woke”. The best example I have heard is “not being an arsehole” but they have quoted some other examples, “wanting to make the world a better, fairer place,” “recognising systematic injustices and wanting to change them.” Not unreasonable definitions. People who rail against “wokeness” seem to have a problem with people who speak up against things like racism, homophobia etc. So the question is, if being “woke” is seeking a better, fairer world, why do people like Musk try and turn it into a pejorative term? Since when has being, or trying to be a decent human being been a bad thing?

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As an aside, since Musk has taken over Twitter my email inbox has been full messages from Twitter from well endowed young ladies displaying their wares. I don’t use Twitter although I did open an account several years ago and until recently I used to get emails advising me of Tweets from Gary Lineker and MLT (don’t know why) but now I also get floods of unsolicited messages containing soft porn. Is this Musk’s way of kicking back against “wokeness” perhaps? 

 

 

[Lighthouse]

Woke isn’t a word I’d normally use in conversation or use to describe someone as it seems to have become a right wing buzzword thrown haphazardly at any liberal opinion they disagree with. However I don’t like people who describe themselves as woke and try to justify it as a positive. The whole self-verification of your own opinions aspect of it is just arrogant. People talk as if their opinion is more valid than someone else’s because they’re ‘woke’ and therefore must be more informed and compassionate.

F*ck knows what Space Karen is drivelling on about though. The bloke seems to have lost the plot completely.

[Turkish]

it’s not a supposed condition dopey
 

you could have googled it or even added it to the existing Elon Musk thread rather than start yet another look at me thread, where you yet again reference "speaking out against racism" but to help you here is what it means, it took about 3 seconds to find, rather than the many minutes it took you to type the post.

Meaning behind ‘woke mind virus’ explained as Elon Musk calls for its end (hitc.com)

 

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[Holmes_and_Watson]

I think the thread got infected with the woke mind virus after the first paragraph, where it moved onto the post's real message, which was to tell us how noble and just woke people are. 🙂

[Jonnyboy]

7 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Woke isn’t a word I’d normally use in conversation or use to describe someone as it seems to have become a right wing buzzword thrown haphazardly at any liberal opinion they disagree with. However I don’t like people who describe themselves as woke and try to justify it as a positive. The whole self-verification of your own opinions aspect of it is just arrogant. People talk as if their opinion is more valid than someone else’s because they’re ‘woke’ and therefore must be more informed and compassionate.

F*ck knows what Space Karen is drivelling on about though. The bloke seems to have lost the plot completely.

The only people I've seen describe themselves as woke have done so in response to the Musk's of this world turning it into a pejorative. 

[The Kraken]

13 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I think the thread got infected with the woke mind virus after the first few lines, where it moved onto the post's real message, which was to tell us how noble and woke soggy thinks he is. 🙂

Fixed that for you.

[sadoldgit]

9 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Woke isn’t a word I’d normally use in conversation or use to describe someone as it seems to have become a right wing buzzword thrown haphazardly at any liberal opinion they disagree with. However I don’t like people who describe themselves as woke and try to justify it as a positive. The whole self-verification of your own opinions aspect of it is just arrogant. People talk as if their opinion is more valid than someone else’s because they’re ‘woke’ and therefore must be more informed and compassionate.

F*ck knows what Space Karen is drivelling on about though. The bloke seems to have lost the plot completely.

Which is exactly the point being made on the James O’Brien phone in this morning. “Woke” is only a term used by the right to denigrate those with a different opinion. Musk is saying that it will cause the end of civilisation if not dealt with. WTF? A caller later on in the programme said that he has plans to sell 2 million pick up trucks a year in the US and suggests that he is now trying to ingratiate himself to the Trump demographic.

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[Turkish]

30 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Which is exactly the point being made on the James O’Brien phone in this morning. “Woke” is only a term used by the right to denigrate those with a different opinion. Musk is saying that it will cause the end of civilisation if not dealt with. WTF? A caller later on in the programme said that he has plans to sell 2 million pick up trucks a year in the US and suggests that he is now trying to ingratiate himself to the Trump demographic.

You consume too much shit. Stop listening to stuff like LBC, stop reading the guardian, you’ll be happier, trust me.

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[Lord Duckhunter]

On 13/12/2022 at 21:42, sadoldgit said:

Which is exactly the point being made on the James O’Brien phone in this morning. “Woke” is only a term used by the right to denigrate those with a different opinion. 

Bit like the left use “Racist”then? 

[The Left Back]

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Bit like the left use “Racist”then? 

Yes and perhaps no.  I'm often accused of being woke, but don't actually mind it.  The definition seems pretty close and I've been called much worse.  I'm imagining no-one likes being called racist unless they call themselves it?  

[cloggy saint]

4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Bit like the left use “Racist”then? 

No, not really.

[sadoldgit]

20 hours ago, The Left Back said:

Yes and perhaps no.  I'm often accused of being woke, but don't actually mind it.  The definition seems pretty close and I've been called much worse.  I'm imagining no-one likes being called racist unless they call themselves it?  

It seems to go way over the heads of those of a far right persuasion, but I am sure that most rational people would see being “woke” as a good thing given its widely accepted definition and being seen as “racist” as not a good thing. It summed up perfectly by those who boo at people taking the knee. Why boo people taking a position against something that most reasonable people find abhorrent?

If you were walking down the road and saw a person from a minority group being harangued by another person because they are different in some way and another person calling the abuser out for their behaviour, would you call out the person confronting the abuser for their actions?

People like Duckie and my internet stalker ought to ask themselves why they have such a problem with people who believe that we should live in a fairer and more inclusive society. They should also think about why they spend so little time attacking divisive attitudes in society (like racism). Could it be because they have more sympathy for those of the likes of Nigel Farage? We know where Duckie stands on this as he openly admits his support for Farage and UKIP.
What these people seem to be trying to do is to drag down normal, non divisive people to their level so that being woke is as bad as being racist. Crazy isn’t it? As you say, if you are going to be slapped with a label, there are a lot worse labels than being called “woke.”

 

[whelk]

Don’t know what point you are making SOG. Are you saying any ‘anti racism’ in any form is by definition good? There are loads of group-think twats looking for division and crying racism at any opportunity. Calling this out does not make you a far right racist.

The term woke annoys many as it is loaded with bs like wanting to control language looking for connotations. ‘Master and servant’ deemed not acceptable. Are we soon to rename IT ‘servers’? Similarly with political correctness there is merit in being polite and not needlessly offending but I worry if you can’t see that many want to champion and take down sinister path of control - and they are not the ‘good guys’

[Lord Duckhunter]

46 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

 

If you were walking down the road and saw a person from a minority group being harangued by another person because they are different in some way and another person calling the abuser out for their behaviour, would you call out the person confronting the abuser for their actions?

 

 

I once confronted a white bloke who called black people coconuts, “them”, and also called an English born chick an immigrant because she wasn’t white. Does  that count? 

Edited 16 December, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter

[sadoldgit]

53 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I once confronted a white bloke who called black people coconuts, “them”, and also called an English born chick an immigrant because she wasn’t white. Does  that count? 

You keep pushing this line Duckie but it doesn’t work. It is called deflection. I have never called anyone a coconut, I made reference to the term and anyone entering this country to live from abroad is called an immigrant. Unless you know otherwise it is not a racist term. But you keep on deflecting Duckie, I assume you do it because you can’t justify your support for Nigel Farage in a mostly decent society.

Good afternoon Turkish. Still stalking I see.

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[Weston Super Saint]

22 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You keep pushing this line Duckie but it doesn’t work. It is called deflection. I have never called anyone a coconut, I made reference to the term and anyone entering this country to live from abroad is called an immigrant. Unless you know otherwise it is not a racist term. But you keep on deflecting Duckie, I assume you do it because you can’t justify your support for Nigel Farage in a mostly decent society.

Good afternoon Turkish. Still stalking I see.

Dinlo.

The person you called an immigrant didn't "enter this country to live from abroad", she was born here.

Probably best you stick to calling "them" "savages".

[Weston Super Saint]

46 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You keep pushing this line Duckie but it doesn’t work. It is called deflection. I have never called anyone a coconut,

Everyone can make their own mind up....

On 28/09/2022 at 10:55, sadoldgit said:

I probably can’t say this now, but didn’t they used to be known as “coconuts?” Black on the outside and white on the inside. Nick Ferrari was swamped with calls from the black community on LBC this morning supporting what she said. The thing is, when it comes to the policies that he and the likes of Priti Patel have implemented and/or supported, she has a point. 

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Everyone can make their own mind up....

🤣

[RedArmy]

Another spectacular own goal, SOG. 

[The Kraken]

“I probably can’t say this now…..” is perhaps the point where you think, yeah, maybe I won’t actually say it. Otherwise it comes across as a bit like “I’m not racist but……”. Although the use of the term “they” in that context is particularly disappointing.

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, RedArmy said:

Another spectacular own goal, SOG. 

Not at all. Read it again. I did not call anyone a coconut. I referred to the term that people of colour use to describe a certain type of person.

Regarding the person I referred to as an immigrant, I have already pointed out that I made a mistake and should have said comes from an immigrant family. How is that in any way a racist remark?  Perhaps you have a problem with immigrants but as I said, being an immigrant is not an issue for most people nor is it racist to refer to someone as an immigrant. The original point about Patel still stands, the way she treats would be immigrants is appalling given that she comes from an immigrant family herself. You seem to have the same mindset as the other far right brigade posters in here.

When I said I probably can’t say this now it was due to having not seen the comment used for years so have no idea how it is viewed nowadays. I am sure that you are bright enough to understand the reference to the word was illustrative (or should I just have said there was a word for it but I can’t say it) rather than used as an accusatory word to someone in particular. For those who are determined to continue to display faux outrage of my use of the word, a quick google search found a few articles discussing this word in this context (and another, the name of a well known American biscuit which I won’t use because I don’t want upset you poor petals any more than you have been already). I suggest, if you are so upset at the use of this word, that you also complain to the writers of the articles as they use the word several times in the same context as I used it.

https://www.stylist.co.uk/people/coconut-racial-slur/490585

Here is one to start you off. Be warned, you might be offended.

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[Turkish]

6 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

You keep pushing this line Duckie but it doesn’t work. It is called deflection. I have never called anyone a coconut, I made reference to the term and anyone entering this country to live from abroad is called an immigrant. Unless you know otherwise it is not a racist term. But you keep on deflecting Duckie, I assume you do it because you can’t justify your support for Nigel Farage in a mostly decent society.

Good afternoon Turkish. Still stalking I see.

You spend an awful lot of time pointing the finger Soggy, maybe it’s time to pull the thumbs and take a look at yourself. 

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Not at all. Read it again. I did not call anyone a coconut. I referred to the term that people of colour use to describe a certain type of person.

Regarding the person I referred to as an immigrant, I have already pointed out that I made a mistake and should have said comes from an immigrant family. How is that in any way a racist remark?  Perhaps you have a problem with immigrants but as I said, being an immigrant is not an issue for most people nor is it racist to refer to someone as an immigrant. The original point about Patel still stands, the way she treats would be immigrants is appalling given that she comes from an immigrant family herself. You seem to have the same mindset as the other far right brigade posters in here.

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

“I probably can’t say this now…..” is perhaps the point where you think, yeah, maybe I won’t actually say it. Otherwise it comes across as a bit like “I’m not racist but……”. Although the use of the term “they” in that context is particularly disappointing.

I’ve always said he protests too much, there is definitely a dark history to soggy. He is the Derek Vinyard of mongboards. 

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I’ve always said he protests too much, there is definitely a dark history to soggy. He is the Derek Vinyard of mongboards. 

What a brilliant film that is, by the way.

[Lord Duckhunter]

32 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

 

The original point about Patel still stands, the way she treats would be immigrants is appalling given that she comes from an immigrant family herself. 

What’s a “would be” immigrant? Sounds like another dodgy term Nick Griffin would use to describe a foreigner residing outside of the uk. 

“See that African bloke there, he’s a would be immigrant “. 

Edited 16 December, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter

[Winnersaint]

10 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

It seems to go way over the heads of those of a far right persuasion, but I am sure that most rational people would see being “woke” as a good thing given its widely accepted definition and being seen as “racist” as not a good thing. It summed up perfectly by those who boo at people taking the knee. Why boo people taking a position against something that most reasonable people find abhorrent?

If you were walking down the road and saw a person from a minority group being harangued by another person because they are different in some way and another person calling the abuser out for their behaviour, would you call out the person confronting the abuser for their actions?

People like Duckie and my internet stalker ought to ask themselves why they have such a problem with people who believe that we should live in a fairer and more inclusive society. They should also think about why they spend so little time attacking divisive attitudes in society (like racism). Could it be because they have more sympathy for those of the likes of Nigel Farage? We know where Duckie stands on this as he openly admits his support for Farage and UKIP.
What these people seem to be trying to do is to drag down normal, non divisive people to their level so that being woke is as bad as being racist. Crazy isn’t it? As you say, if you are going to be slapped with a label, there are a lot worse labels than being called “woke.”

 

It's a football message board. Have you ever considered that you are being wound up?

[Turkish]

38 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

It's a football message board. Have you ever considered that you are being wound up?

The problem soggy has is when you wear a mask it eventually slips. 

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

 

When I said I probably can’t say this now it was due to having not seen the comment used for years so have no idea how it is viewed nowadays. I am sure that you are bright enough to understand the reference to the word was illustrative (or should I just have said there was a word for it but I can’t say it) rather than used as an accusatory word to someone in particular. For those who are determined to continue to display faux outrage of my use of the word, a quick google search found a few articles discussing this word in this context (and another, the name of a well known American biscuit which I won’t use because I don’t want upset you poor petals any more than you have been already). I suggest, if you are so upset at the use of this word, that you also complain to the writers of the articles as they use the word several times in the same context as I used it.

https://www.stylist.co.uk/people/coconut-racial-slur/490585

Here is one to start you off. Be warned, you might be offended.

Dinlo.

We know it's offensive, you know it's offensive, yet you still used it - with a pretend caveat about whether or not you should say it!

[Lord Duckhunter]

13 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Although the use of the term “they” in that context is particularly disappointing.

That’s where the mask slipped and the true Soggy came out. 

[sadoldgit]

On 16/12/2022 at 20:53, Winnersaint said:

It's a football message board. Have you ever considered that you are being wound up?

Of course I am being wound up. That’s what the resident WUMs do all day long. Nothing better to do with their lives I suppose. Strange that grown men with families feel the need to stalk and wind up complete strangers on a football forum though don’t you think? 

[badgerx16]

I see Elon isn't happy with the result of the Twitter poll on whether he should stand aside. He said he would abide with the result, which was nearly %58 YES, so now he says that only blue tick accounts can vote in polls on company policy.