Israel

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5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's going to need to be something along those lines - there is no way this is getting destroyed without boots on the ground.

If the idiot believes that his actions have stopped Iran in their tracks, great that hopefully puts an end to it. I agree with Whelk that what's happend has shown Iran and Israel who's boss and has aerial dominance. Israel can pop back at anytime and do wtf they want to Israel, so hopefully that'll be a deterrent in itself. 

[skintsaint]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Apparently, imaging and fuel for nuclear subs.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1781096272838990

[Weston Super Saint]

4 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Apparently, imaging and fuel for nuclear subs.

Do you genuinely believe the horseshit you write?

Fact checking...

Iran currently has 3 submarines - all diesel electric built by the Russians.

It is believed Iran has around 450kg of enriched Uranium.

A nuclear submarine can run for about 25 years on 5kg of 'fuel'.

I've no idea how much Uranium is used in 'imaging' but if a nuclear sub can be powered for 25 years on 5kg, I suspect not much.

Iran therefore has enough 'fuel' to power roughly 80 nuclear subs for the next 25 years. That should sufficiently replace the 3 that they currently have, eh?

What's more likely, the nuclear sub theory or the nuclear weapons theory? Thickos need not attempt to answer.

[Turkish]

4 hours ago, egg said:

If the idiot believes that his actions have stopped Iran in their tracks, great that hopefully puts an end to it. I agree with Whelk that what's happend has shown Iran and Israel who's boss and has aerial dominance. Israel can pop back at anytime and do wtf they want to Israel, so hopefully that'll be a deterrent in itself. 

His discussion at Nato was ridiculous, likening it to letting two kids fight in the playground for a couple of minutes then stepping, sometimes Daddy needs to use some strong words. 

[Farmer Saint]

Trump's done well to get agreement at 5% defence spending at NATO - I suspect Keir wants that as well as it should help to boost our economy.

I guess we'll see how well the NATO countries hold up to that.

[AlexLaw76]

7 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Trump's done well to get agreement at 5% defence spending at NATO - I suspect Keir wants that as well as it should help to boost our economy.

I guess we'll see how well the NATO countries hold up to that.

Not a chance in hell that sort of money, more than double (£80bn), will be spent of defence in the UK within 10 years.

Not without incredible accounting trickery, to a level we can’t even imagine 

the reality is, the leaders agreeing to this know many of them won’t be in power in 10 years, and know Trump definitely won’t, and they can go back to outsourcing defence to the USA

Edited Wednesday at 17:11 by AlexLaw76

[Gloucester Saint]

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

His discussion at Nato was ridiculous, likening it to letting two kids fight in the playground for a couple of minutes then stepping, sometimes Daddy needs to use some strong words. 

https://news.sky.com/story/nato-chief-heaps-praise-on-trump-at-meeting-after-us-president-cast-doubt-on-commitment-to-collective-defence-13388255

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Not a chance in hell that sort of money, more than double (£80bn), will be spent of defence in the UK within 10 years.

Not without incredible accounting trickery, to a level we can’t even imagine 

the reality is, the leaders agreeing to this know many of them won’t be in power in 10 years, and know Trump definitely won’t, and they can go back to our-sourcing defence to the USA

We'll see - I guess the thought is that we will spend the majority here, on British made and developed defence, which means it will be far less than 5% in real cost. In addition, it will also lead to other countries investing in and purchasing from us.

[Farmer Saint]

If we could combine it with national service of some sort (or at least for those out of work and claiming JSA) and you have a combination of getting the young encouraged to go out and get jobs, or go into the forces, and removing them from benefits.

Edited Wednesday at 17:15 by Farmer Saint

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

We'll see - I guess the thought is that we will spend the majority here, on British made and developed defence, which means it will be far less than 5% in real cost. In addition, it will also lead to other countries investing in and purchasing from us.

Incredible cuts are going to be made elsewhere to find at least £80bn, even if some of that is capital expenditure back in the UK for a period. 

[skintsaint]

9 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Not a chance in hell that sort of money, more than double (£80bn),

Isn't it 'only' £60bn? Still a lot to find.😅

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Isn't it 'only' £60bn? Still a lot to find.😅

The reality will be a minimal increase, magic accounting like what Osborne did when he was in Government, and lots of backtracking later this parliament. 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Not a chance in hell that sort of money, more than double (£80bn), will be spent of defence in the UK within 10 years.

 

There was an article the other day saying new recruits should be handed £10k for signing up.

Increase that to £500k and 160billion is easily achievable.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

31 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Isn't it 'only' £60bn? Still a lot to find.😅

60 billion isn't what it used to be... 🙂

60% of what HS2 might cost.

https://inews.co.uk/news/hs2-fraud-allegations-cost-pass-100bn-further-delays-3698024

Only twice the amount water companies were allowed to rack up debt

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-5078471/Britain-s-water-firms-flush-profits-tax-havens.html

Not quite only double test and trace which a report said made little difference

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-test-trace-dido-harding-report-b1814714.html

Our defence could be to spend 60 billion on lots of abandoned Brexit border facilities to line our borders at 50 million a time. About half a billion wasted so far on those.

https://news.sky.com/story/post-brexit-border-control-post-in-wales-to-sit-empty-13388153

A report combined some of the above to show 60 billion as just 60% wasted by the conservatives over 5 years

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/161243/government-has-risked-lost-unacceptable-billions-of-taxpayers-money-in-its-covid-response-and-must-account-to-the-generations-that-will-pay-for-it/

 

Not that you'd spend 60 billion up front on defence. You'd spend a fraction of that safe in the knowledge that incompetence from contract negotiations and various cost overuns casual observers may consider border on corrupt will take you towards any total you set.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59876757

It was getting 40 billion a year in 2022, with none of it's 36 projects "being on time and within the original budget." The levels of waste and pocket stuffing will increase a lot faster, at 5%, than our safety.

 

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Not sure who the fella speaking is, but I like him. The smug look on the Israeli blokes face I don't like so much. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1ABFpiqSHD/

 

[Jonnyboy]

Like delldays says, incredible accounting trickery:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2025/06/dystopia-uk-genocidal-raf-squadron-targeted-by-palestine-action-is-owned-by-a-hedge-fund-and-leased-by-the-raf/

 

[Mixedkebab]

4 hours ago, egg said:

Not sure who the fella speaking is, but I like him. The smug look on the Israeli blokes face I don't like so much. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1ABFpiqSHD/

 

Why post a debate where the other participants’ views are edited out? The other one is an American not an Israeli.

Edited Wednesday at 22:54 by Mixedkebab

[Mixedkebab]

14 hours ago, egg said:

If the idiot believes that his actions have stopped Iran in their tracks, great that hopefully puts an end to it. I agree with Whelk that what's happend has shown Iran and Israel who's boss and has aerial dominance. Israel can pop back at anytime and do wtf they want to Israel, so hopefully that'll be a deterrent in itself. 

Why would Israel pop back and do “wtf” they want to themselves?

[Mixedkebab]

On 24/06/2025 at 07:44, egg said:

Tulsi Gabbard said a few months ago that they were not building a bomb. After her update last week, she still didn't say that they were building a nuke. She actually said that they were "at the point that it can produce a nuclear weapon within weeks to months". Similarly, Japan are a "hop, skip and a jump".

The conclusion that a) they would build a bomb, and b) would use it, is opinion.

The former seems credible though, although the one question for me is whether in the talks they had stated a willingness to roll back enrichment to agreed pre 2018 levels. I wouldn't be surprised if they were but that the US were insisting on nothing at all, creating mutual red lines, and a pretext for attack. 

Anyways, we seem to have peace for now, so Israel can focus all their efforts on killing hungry people waiting for food. 

Anyways, I ain’t fallin’ for this Israeli bull, what they are doin’ just ain’t saintly anyways.

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11 minutes ago, Mixedkebab said:

Why post a debate where the other participants’ views are edited out? The other one is an American not an Israeli.

 

7 minutes ago, Mixedkebab said:

Why would Israel pop back and do “wtf” they want to themselves?

 

1 minute ago, Mixedkebab said:

Anyways, I ain’t fallin’ for this Israeli bull, what they are doin’ just ain’t saintly anyways.

Great contribution as always mate👏

[Holmes_and_Watson]

6 minutes ago, Mixedkebab said:

Why would Israel pop back and do “wtf” they want to themselves?

Once Netanyahu is done with Iran and every terror group beginning with H, he can turn his attention internally?

[Farmer Saint]

 

[inspectorfrost]

On 24/06/2025 at 07:57, Farmer Saint said:

Luckily for Israel they tend to congregate around the aid centre's, along with women and children, so it's very easy to mow them down.

Interestingly acknowledged as "deliberate murder by US merceneries" in a recent UK parliamentary debate