saintjay77 Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Jusst wondering as he seems to have got allot better and with us losing Holmes it sounds like we might need a winger. Would he be supported if he came back and brought his new found form with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Have we completely lost Holmes then? Haven't had the radio on since the match finished. Is he out for months again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new_zealand_saint Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 i'd take dyer over holmes any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 dont swansea want to buy him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Have we completely lost Holmes then? Haven't had the radio on since the match finished. Is he out for months again? Just heard his knee had gone and was taken off. I may be fearing the worst but its only a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 dont swansea want to buy him? Does that mean we will sell him? Ok stupid question lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I don't think some people quite get this... We don't want Dyer in the team, he is too expensive. We only offered him a contract in the summer on the assumpion that we'd then be able to sell him, rather than have him leave on a free. I think the fact that we loaned him out barely a month after signing the contract, then again in January shows this. It's not as if we have a 'logjam' of quality right wingers. Skacel is Holmes' obvious replacement to anyone with half a brain. Oscar Gobern it is then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 We don't want Dyer in the team, he is too expensive. We only offered him a contract in the summer on the assumpion that we'd then be able to sell him, rather than have him leave on a free. In which case we only needed to offer him the same amount he was on before. Which as that was an academy contract, can't have been very much at all. If he's on decent money now then Lowe ballsed up big-time, but I really can't see that being the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 In which case we only needed to offer him the same amount he was on before. Which as that was an academy contract, can't have been very much at all. If he's on decent money now then Lowe ballsed up big-time, but I really can't see that being the case. No, if we'd offered him on a contract with an accademy sized wage packet, he'd have fooked off somewhere else for 5 times that amount. I don't know what Dyer's wage is, but based on those rumours that Liverpool and Pompey were looking at him (probably b*llocks, but there would no doubt have been other interest) we had to pay him more than we could afford to stay. The whole idea is that he wouldn't be on the wage bill. We loan him out until we can find someone to sell him to, which is exactly what's happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 No, if we'd offered him on a contract with an accademy sized wage packet, he'd have fooked off somewhere else for 5 times that amount. I don't know what Dyer's wage is, but based on those rumours that Liverpool and Pompey were looking at him (probably b*llocks, but there would no doubt have been other interest) we had to pay him more than we could afford to stay. The whole idea is that he wouldn't be on the wage bill. We loan him out until we can find someone to sell him to, which is exactly what's happening. Almost, but not quite what I understood. The rules said that we had to offer him a contract on at least what he'd been paid to get anything for him..which was more than academy wages. He was already a 'senior' player, so I very much doubt we'd have offered to pay him *more* as such. We didn't want him to accept the offer. He was out of favour here, both because of his thieving and because of his erratic form, but if we'd offered him no contract he'd have gone for nothing. (Pompey were supposedly interested at the time.) If we offered him a contract and he refused it, to go elsewhere on a free transfer, we'd have got compensation under FIFA rules because he was under 23. So we offered him a contract to protect our financial position, I suspect (but am not ITK) hoping he'd go and we'd get cash. Then no one did actually want him (thanks yet again Redknapp) and our bluff was called. Hence on contract but not wanted -- hence loaned out to save his wages. Those who are now starting to rave about him seem to have forgotten a) he's a git b) he was rubbish for us in recent seasons, though admittedly after a very promising start c) he was also rubbish on loan at sheffield united He was as I say a promising youngster... looked good alongside Walcott.. and maybe will indeed yet turn out to be a good player, but football is littered with promising youngsters who've not made it for various reasons. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I don't think some people quite get this... We don't want Dyer in the team, he is too expensive. We only offered him a contract in the summer on the assumpion that we'd then be able to sell him, rather than have him leave on a free. I think the fact that we loaned him out barely a month after signing the contract, then again in January shows this. It's not as if we have a 'logjam' of quality right wingers. Skacel is Holmes' obvious replacement to anyone with half a brain. Oscar Gobern it is then... I'm sorry mate. YOU don't want Dyer. The discredited Pootvliet didn't want Dyer. Don't speak for the rest of us with better judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 based on his performances for the sheep****gers I would welcome him back if he could keep that form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I'm sorry mate. YOU don't want Dyer. The discredited Pootvliet didn't want Dyer. Don't speak for the rest of us with better judgement. By we, I was refering to Saints as a club, not the fans in particular. I would quite like Dyer in the side, as I'm sure would many others. However it is quite clear that the board don't want him, hence he has been loaned out twice this season, barely a month after signing a new contract. We offered him the new contract to stop him leaving for free in the hope that we could sell him on for maybe £500k-£1m at a late date. If you can think of a more plausible explanation, I would be interested to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 By we, I was refering to Saints as a club, not the fans in particular. I would quite like Dyer in the side, as I'm sure would many others. However it is quite clear that the board don't want him, hence he has been loaned out twice this season, barely a month after signing a new contract. We offered him the new contract to stop him leaving for free in the hope that we could sell him on for maybe £500k-£1m at a late date. If you can think of a more plausible explanation, I would be interested to hear it. Thanks for the clarification. I hope Wotte has the vision to request he is brought back now that his form (and value) has improved, and Holmes is likely to be out for some time. It's all down to Lowe again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I don't think some people quite get this... We don't want Dyer in the team, he is too expensive. We only offered him a contract in the summer on the assumpion that we'd then be able to sell him, rather than have him leave on a free. I think the fact that we loaned him out barely a month after signing the contract, then again in January shows this. It's not as if we have a 'logjam' of quality right wingers. Skacel is Holmes' obvious replacement to anyone with half a brain. Oscar Gobern it is then... Anyone else would get infracted for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Anyone else would get infracted for this. For what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 We offered him the new contract to stop him leaving for free in the hope that we could sell him on for maybe £500k-£1m at a late date. In actual fact, he refused to sign a contract that had been offered to him (way back in December 07/January 08 if I remember rightly) in the belief that he would be highly coveted and therefore could get a better deal elsewhere. It was only when it became clear nobody actually wanted to take a chance on him (and a chance that the compensation payout to SFC would be higher than they were willing to risk) that he eventually signed the contract. Apart from that addition, I agree with what Ken Tone has written above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I don't think we can recall him, similar to Raziak at Watford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfnPanad Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He wasn't ever much good for us, and he's an idiot and a tealeaf. We're better off without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He wasn't ever much good for us, and he's an idiot and a tealeaf. We're better off without him. We are in no position to throw stones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Please note the "definitely with us until the end of the season" comment - which should clear this question up I would have thought . http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/sport/Swans-keen-make-Dyer-s-switch-permanent/article-645208-detail/article.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 dont swansea want to buy him? Yes, announced last night that Swansea DO want to buy him. On the one hand, we could get some cash for a player not even in our squad (by definition). On the other hand, if he plays for us like he has been for them, then wouldn't we rather have him here helping us stay up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Quote from Swansea camp I think answers all the questions: "We would like to keep Nathan permanently," Martinez admitted. "But it's not down to us. Any deal depends on the parent club and the player's wishes. "We spoke to Southampton when Nathan joined us on loan about a permanent deal, but we'll have to wait and see. At the moment he is definitely with us until the end of the season so there is no pressure to do anything in this window." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 What for ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 i'd take dyer over holmes any day Wow short memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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