Shea Charles

[saintant]

12 minutes ago, Football Special said:

 

He played well which will help push up his value.

[Baird of the land]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

He played well which will help push up his value.

I'm keeping everything crossed that we can keep hold of him.

 

[AlexLaw76]

20 minutes ago, saintant said:

He played well which will help push up his value.

Why do we want to push up his value, we should be looking to retain him, surely 

[Football Special]

19 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I'm keeping everything crossed that we can keep hold of him.

 

Weve had a few Saints legends that played for Saints and Northern Ireland, Jim Magilton, Iain Dowie, Alan Blayney, I'm sure there are others? 

[Pilchards]

Strange to see the Manchester football badge on the video.

Looks like his team are trying to put him forward for a transfer to them?

[saintant]

19 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Why do we want to push up his value, we should be looking to retain him, surely 

We don't push up his value he does that himself with performances on the pitch. Maybe you'd rather he plays poorly - strange.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, saintant said:

We don't push up his value he does that himself with performances on the pitch. Maybe you'd rather he plays poorly - strange.

I’d rather what?

[RedWillie]

20 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Weve had a few Saints legends that played for Saints and Northern Ireland, Jim Magilton, Iain Dowie, Alan Blayney, I'm sure there are others? 

Chris Nicholl, Colin Clarke

Edited 16 hours ago by RedWillie

[Sheaf Saint]

32 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Weve had a few Saints legends that played for Saints and Northern Ireland, Jim Magilton, Iain Dowie, Alan Blayney, I'm sure there are others? 

Steven Davis

[Miltonaggro]

31 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Weve had a few Saints legends that played for Saints and Northern Ireland, Jim Magilton, Iain Dowie, Alan Blayney, I'm sure there are others? 

As well as Nicholl and Clarke mentioned above, other decent Saints players who have played for Northern Ireland include Maik Taylor, Chris Baird, and the superb Steven Davis.

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Steven Davis

Of course! The main man, can have a word with Shea persuade him to stay 

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

As well as Nicholl and Clarke mentioned above, other decent Saints players who have played for Northern Ireland include Maik Taylor, Chris Baird, and the superb Steven Davis.

I remember Chris Baird marking Rooney out of the game when Northern Ireland beat England 

[UpweySaint]

I’ve made a similar point before, likely on this thread, but Charles for NI reminds me a bit of Bale for Wales. Not in terms of current ability but whenever I watch Charles for NI he looks a level above the player we see in a Saints shirt. It reminds me of Bale looking super human for Wales no matter his club form or fitness.

I am not suggesting that Charles puts more in when he plays for NI but I find myself wondering what it is that makes the difference. It could be as simple as the difference between international football and club competition in terms of tactics, pace, fluidity and structure. It could also be a reflection of the leadership/talisman role he has in a very young NI team. He also seems to have more freedom on the pitch in the NI set up.

I sometimes wonder if we are getting the most out of him? I’m not saying we should adjust a winning system to do so but it’s an interesting thought.

i think the player he is for NI is a much a part of the reason bigger clubs are circling than his form with us. He’s been decent for us but I don’t look at him and see a player too good for the level - occasional worldie aside!

If we keep him, great. I’m convinced he has levels yet and could have a breakthrough season where he really establishes himself as a standout with us next season.
 

If not, we have reasonable strength in depth, I have some faith in Spors to identify a replacement, any fee will likely be sizeable to help with financial rules and squad building and it would also be genuinely interesting to see if he could cut it at a ‘big’ club. Utd have been linked a few times. It may be lazy journos but I expect Wilcox knows him pretty well and there is nothing to say he doesn’t fancy him to do a job at Utd.

[revolution saint]

3 hours ago, Football Special said:

Weve had a few Saints legends that played for Saints and Northern Ireland, Jim Magilton, Iain Dowie, Alan Blayney, I'm sure there are others? 

"legend" is doing some heavy lifting there.

[trousers]

8 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

"legend" is doing some heavy lifting there.

Reminds me of a Gary Delaney quip...

 

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, revolution saint said:

"legend" is doing some heavy lifting there.

Will you allow Steven Davis to wear that badge? 

[revolution saint]

3 hours ago, Football Special said:

Will you allow Steven Davis to wear that badge? 

Actually, no, probably not. Good player though and did a decent job for us but wouldn’t have him down as a legend. All subjective of course and I’ve obviously got a different criteria of what constitutes legend than you do but if we hand it out too freely then it ceases to mean anything.

[St Chalet]

Steven Davis reminded me of the players we signed in 70's and 80's, a solid Pro who brought balance and experience to a young exciting line-up.

 

Was luckily enough to meet him at the Awards Dinner at the end of 'The Poch Season', top bloke.

[austsaint]

7 hours ago, UpweySaint said:

I’ve made a similar point before, likely on this thread, but Charles for NI reminds me a bit of Bale for Wales. Not in terms of current ability but whenever I watch Charles for NI he looks a level above the player we see in a Saints shirt. It reminds me of Bale looking super human for Wales no matter his club form or fitness.

I am not suggesting that Charles puts more in when he plays for NI but I find myself wondering what it is that makes the difference. It could be as simple as the difference between international football and club competition in terms of tactics, pace, fluidity and structure. It could also be a reflection of the leadership/talisman role he has in a very young NI team. He also seems to have more freedom on the pitch in the NI set up.

I sometimes wonder if we are getting the most out of him? I’m not saying we should adjust a winning system to do so but it’s an interesting thought.

i think the player he is for NI is a much a part of the reason bigger clubs are circling than his form with us. He’s been decent for us but I don’t look at him and see a player too good for the level - occasional worldie aside!

If we keep him, great. I’m convinced he has levels yet and could have a breakthrough season where he really establishes himself as a standout with us next season.
 

If not, we have reasonable strength in depth, I have some faith in Spors to identify a replacement, any fee will likely be sizeable to help with financial rules and squad building and it would also be genuinely interesting to see if he could cut it at a ‘big’ club. Utd have been linked a few times. It may be lazy journos but I expect Wilcox knows him pretty well and there is nothing to say he doesn’t fancy him to do a job at Utd.

I see Charles as best played in a three man midfield more advanced from central/defensive midfield duties, or in the Azaz attacking midfield role.   With Saints he's been less impressive when asked to dig in and play a defensive midfield  game.   He has the pace and athleticism to thrive as a 10 and play higher up the pitch.   The improvement in his game since he joined SW in late 2024 is clear though he's not yet the finished product.   Also seems to thrive in a faster more open game, compared to some of the physical, congested Championship matches; the three FA Cup matches against Prem opponents this season showed as much.   

Don't understand the claims that he's over-hyped - the best is yet to come for him.   Whether it's with Southampton or a Premier League Club is the intriguing unknown.

[sledger]

hes running his contract down,he will go for a decent fee.