The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

While I get your point, it's a bit disingenuous to call him a glorified councillor. You're aware he did used to be an MP, right?

At the very least he's less robotic than Starmer. I once visited the HoC public gallery and watched him debate with Michael Gove about the bill to close the Sure Start centres. He came across very well and showed Gove up for the pompous prick that he is. I thought he would have been a good choice for Leader when Corbyn resigned.

all well and good that he might have something more about him than a wet paper bag, but we are going to get even MORE labour. Higher taxes, more benefits, more support for illegal immigrants, more net zero.....

He will probably do well to last the 3 years, let alone beyond it

[Lord Duckhunter]

30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Burnham will have a very difficult time trying to convince the parliamentary labour party that the only way to meaningfully improve things you will have to start with a bit more economic prudence. 

His hands are tied by their ridiculous manifesto. They went into an election they were absolutely guaranteed to win, with the most timid un radical manifesto you could ever imagine.  How can you spout a load of stuff about “change” and then be as radical as the Tory Pinko’s. If they wanted to do labour things and change the country they should have put it in there. It may have cost them 30 or 40 seats, but fuck me they still would have had a decent majority. 
 

If “Andy” tries to do anything other than tinker around the edges, the markets will react & his perceived lack of a mandate will be like a millstone round his neck. He’ll become very unpopular very quickly.

If I was advising him,  id tell him to go to the people in early autumn, put his change agenda to them. He’ll probably win with a significantly reduced majority, but thats the key word, “majority”. Unless he’s a once in a generation politician who can like Mrs Thatcher transform themselves in office and use his personality to impose himself, he will need a radical mandate. Nothing I’ve seen in his past makes me think he’s anything  but a plodder, who has risen to the top due to the lack of any alternative talent the party will accept. 
 

As for Starmer, he was clearly out of his depth. But he was chosen as the new Kinnock, supposed to transform the party into something that could win elections. He would lose one, but eat into the Tory majority , ready for the next  leader to take them to the promised land (and it wouldn’t have been Andy “King of the North” Burnham either). Unfortunately for him, the Tories were so bad he actually won. He was given a very poor hand and preceded to fuck it right up, whilst blaming everyone else. A horrendous PM, morally questionable , with the charisma of a fucking plank. Good riddance.

Edited 3 hours ago by Lord Duckhunter

[ecuk268]

Here's what we can expect:

 

[egg]

38 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

While I get your point, it's a bit disingenuous to call him a glorified councillor. You're aware he did used to be an MP, right?

At the very least he's less robotic than Starmer. I once visited the HoC public gallery and watched him debate with Michael Gove about the bill to close the Sure Start centres. He came across very well and showed Gove up for the pompous prick that he is. I thought he would have been a good choice for Leader when Corbyn resigned.

Of course I'm aware he was an MP. The point is that he hasn't been for a while, and however you cut, a mayor is a glorified councillor.

I'm not doubting that he has something about him, but there's no doubt that if he's, essentially, coronated by the party, he's got the PM role without fighting a competition either within his party or the public. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Surely everyone, left, right, black, white, commies, pinkos, Far Right, hard left, Romney Marshers can agree on one thing. Steve Bray needs a fucking good hiding….

[AlexLaw76]

Look at the date...weird how him and Big Ange has radically changed their tone.

 

[Sarnia Cherie]

Andy Burnham seems the best prospect when you look at who else might be keen on running in the leadership race. The thought of Wes Streeting, Ed Milliband and David Lammy fills me with dread but that changes to horror at the prospect of Angela Rayner or Rachel Reeves. We shall have to wait and see. It all seems like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. 

[Gloucester Saint]

14 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Surely everyone, left, right, black, white, commies, pinkos, Far Right, hard left, Romney Marshers can agree on one thing. Steve Bray needs a fucking good hiding….

What did he do for a living pre-referendum? Only 56 now.

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Unfortunately any pretence at you understanding economics has long gone. Tell us about inflation measure -lol

It's interesting - he seems to have married the traits of being both an idiot AND a liar. He really does remind me of another couple of posters that are conspicuous by their absence.

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

Andy Burnham seems the best prospect when you look at who else might be keen on running in the leadership race. The thought of Wes Streeting, Ed Milliband and David Lammy fills me with dread but that changes to horror at the prospect of Angela Rayner or Rachel Reeves. We shall have to wait and see. It all seems like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. 

Who do you think he is going to give the top jobs to?

 

[hypochondriac]

Let's not forget Lord Alli in all this. Who will he give his spare wardrobe of clothes to now?

Edited 1 hour ago by hypochondriac

[egg]

47 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Who do you think he is going to give the top jobs to?

 

It'll be a tombola of the above. Dunno why, but I see Streeting getting Chancellor, Reeves Home Secretary, Ange Health. 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, egg said:

and however you cut, a mayor is a glorified councillor.

It really isn’t 

[whelk]

15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Let's not forget Lord Alli in all this. Who will he give his spare wardrobe of clothes to now?

You and others can rejoice now,  your woes linked to Starmer can be banished.  

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

You and others can rejoice now,  your woes linked to Starmer can be banished.  

Not at all. You can celebrate the removal of a terrible prime minister whilst also being mindful of what is to come. Both can be true. We didn't get much of that when Starmer was elected. I'm sure I don't have to remind you of the reactions from mainstream media and news personalities about adults in the room and the quiet being nice.

Edited 1 hour ago by hypochondriac

[tdmickey3]

26 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Let's not forget Lord Alli in all this. Who will he give his spare wardrobe of clothes to now?

Do you reckon Starmer he had the flat expensively redecorated while he was in no10?

[whelk]

6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Not at all. You can celebrate the removal of a terrible prime minister whilst also being mindful of what is to come. Both can be true. We didn't get much of that when Starmer was elected. I'm sure I don't have to remind you of the reactions from mainstream media and news personalities about adults in the room and the quiet being nice.

We are an angry nation who need scapegoats. Starmer was weak and won over no-one which should be a cautionary tail, although surprised it was over so quick though but that’s politics. Fear any incumbent of any party is going to get the same though if PM

[Sir Ralph]

5 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Give it a rest. I’m not answering your low IQ questions and it’s getting boring  now

Well done - best ignored. 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sir Ralph

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 minutes ago, whelk said:

We are an angry nation who need scapegoats.

We are not! Just the sort of thing a sea snail would say which is why we're better off without....oh....

7 minutes ago, whelk said:

Starmer was weak and won over no-one which should be a cautionary tail, although surprised it was over so quick though but that’s politics. Fear any incumbent of any party is going to get the same though if PM

That awkward moment in cabinet, where you're sitting in the chair of the person just back stabbed, looking at all the people who were responsible for it, and pretending it couldn't happen again.

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Well done - best ignored. 

 

He can’t go round talking about IQs, he’s hardly in a position to judge

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, whelk said:

He can’t go round talking about IQs, he’s hardly in a position to judge

Looks like he's logged into his other account.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, egg said:

...., however you cut, a mayor is a glorified councillor.. 

At the District and Borough level perhaps, but regional Mayors are completely different, probably more power than any non-Cabinet MP.

[Sir Ralph]

Starmer wasn’t a great PM (I didn’t like him) but he was also only as good as his party and the MPs on the left who forced his hand on certain matters.  I would have preferred he stayed rather than the alternative which will be worse. The left of the party have now got their own way. I anticipate greater levels of disgruntlement soon.

Edited 42 minutes ago by Sir Ralph

[hypochondriac]

28 minutes ago, whelk said:

We are an angry nation who need scapegoats. Starmer was weak and won over no-one which should be a cautionary tail, although surprised it was over so quick though but that’s politics. Fear any incumbent of any party is going to get the same though if PM

Quite possibly. Any choices are going to piss off someone. It just so happened that a lot of the choices that Starmer made were ones I disagreed with and also he never even bothered trying to sell what he was trying to do or have some narrative that people could agree with. Many of his policies seemed totally random, reactionary and poorly thought through which is why he had so many uturns. Add to that his authoritarian streak and having an air of superiority whilst being rather poor and I can see why people had enough of him so quickly.

[Sarnia Cherie]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Who do you think he is going to give the top jobs to?

 

I hope he gets rid of Rachel Reeves. Not sure who would take her place but a chimpanzee with an abacus could do a better job. Wes Streeting may get something. Always a good idea to keep your prospective enemies close. I would like to see John Healy come back as Minister for Defence again. He comes across as knowing exactly what is need for our armed forces. He is a rare thing in politics. Someone respected and liked across all parties.

[egg]

18 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

At the District and Borough level perhaps, but regional Mayors are completely different, probably more power than any non-Cabinet MP.

Yeah, I know, tongue was somewhat in cheek. That said, from Mayor, to PM is quite the leap, and to get that gig without the public understanding what he's about and/or intends, does not sit comfortably with me.

[warsash saint]

8 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

I hope he gets rid of Rachel Reeves. Not sure who would take her place but a chimpanzee with an abacus could do a better job. 

Would be interested to know, in your view, what Reeves has done disastrously wrong??

Edited 26 minutes ago by warsash saint

[whelk]

6 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

Would be interested to know, in your view, what Reeves has done disastrously wrong??

I know someone who works closely with her and I trust their judgment. Frighteningly how a label like Rachel from accounts and odd sounding speech means people think she is stupid. She clearly isn’t 

[Gloucester Saint]

13 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

Would be interested to know, in your view, what Reeves has done disastrously wrong??

The NI increase being in the employers column was daft, and the CV stuff but anyone saying she’s been disastrous is indulging in hyperbole. The markets like her, look how a few sobs in the HoC made the stock market fall sharply.

She’s having to make very tough decisions, as Jeremy Hunt, another quality CoE after the steaming pile of shit Kwarteng and Truss left him to clear up, did and got constant flak from the ERG and Daily Mail wankers who cheered Kwarteng and Truss in the first place. 

Edited 13 minutes ago by Gloucester Saint

[hypochondriac]

Anyone want a go at ranking 21st century PMs? Should be quite interesting I would have thought. All pretty bad by the way but some worse than others:

1 Sunak

2 Cameron 

3 Brown 

4 May 

5 Starmer 

6 Johnson 

7 Blair

8 Truss
 

Edited 11 minutes ago by hypochondriac

[revolution saint]

30 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Starmer wasn’t a great PM (I didn’t like him) but he was also only as good as his party and the MPs on the left who forced his hand on certain matters.  I would have preferred he stayed rather than the alternative which will be worse. The left of the party have now got their own way. I anticipate greater levels of disgruntlement soon.

I'm not sure Burnham is the darling of the left.  As a minister he served under the New Labour banner and from recollection his last two attempts to become labour leader were hindered by that New Labour association.  In fact, I don't even think that Starmer going is the result of anything particularly ideological within the labour party.

[warsash saint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Anyone want a go at ranking 21st century PMs? Should be quite interesting I would have thought. All pretty bad by the way but some worse than others:

1 Sunak

2 Cameron 

3 Brown 

4 May 

5 Starmer 

6 Johnson 

7 Blair

8 Truss
 

Johnson only at number 6 🤣

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Anyone want a go at ranking 21st century PMs? Should be quite interesting I would have thought. All pretty bad by the way but some worse than others:

1 Sunak

2 Cameron 

3 Brown 

4 May 

5 Starmer 

6 Johnson 

7 Blair

8 Truss
 

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8 A Lettuce

9 Truss

[Osvaldorama]

4 hours ago, benjii said:

Yes. 

This shows the lethal combination of morons, social media and influential liars.

The man covered up the rape gang inquiry 

 

He covered up for a known friend of a human trafficking pedophile in mandelson 

 

And yet people are morons for disliking him?

 

😂

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Anyone want a go at ranking 21st century PMs? Should be quite interesting I would have thought. All pretty bad by the way but some worse than others:

1 Sunak

2 Cameron 

3 Brown 

4 May 

5 Starmer 

6 Johnson 

7 Blair

8 Truss
 

1

2

3 Blair  May

4 Sunak 

5 Brown  Starmer Cameron

6

7 Johnson

8 Truss

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

Johnson only at number 6 🤣

Would you put him below Truss ?