The Reform Thread

[badgerx16]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-russian-moscow-reform-uk-danny-kruger-b1283574.html?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

"Nigel Farage’s claim that a Russian hack was behind the disclosure of a £5 million gift he received from a crypto billionaire has been described as “unsubstantiated” by a former chief executive of the National Cyber Security Centre.."

[Gloucester Saint]

Raise the Colours are proud, non-violent patriots who want to spread love via the flag.

And if you believed them, you’re an even bigger idiot than I thought you were

https://metro.co.uk/2026/05/28/raise-colours-founder-billy-allison-charged-murder-bar-owner-28555599/

[badgerx16]

Reform poster circulating on SM.....

 

What she acttually said : "I don't want to hear about black lives matter, I don't want to hear about white lives matter. We all matter. Enough of this nonsense where we keep separating everybody and splitting people into different groups. We are descending into tribalism."

 

Edited June 6 by badgerx16

[Gloucester Saint]

19 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Reform poster circulating on SM.....

 

What she acttually said : "I don't want to hear about black lives matter, I don't want to hear about white lives matter. We all matter. Enough of this nonsense where we keep separating everybody and splitting people into different groups. We are descending into tribalism."

 

Whilst not her biggest fan, that’s an appalling misinterpretation of what Badenoch actually said, not to mention very racist.

[badgerx16]

47 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Whilst not her biggest fan, that’s an appalling misinterpretation of what Badenoch actually said, not to mention very racist.

Watching Jenrick try to justify it on Peston was cringeworthy ; "Those are her words"  well technically yes but you just look like a prick trying to justify the way they have been twisted to deliver your "message".

Apparently the Tory party have abandoned white people.

( I suppose the intended brain dead target audience will lap it up though. )

Edited June 6 by badgerx16

[Gloucester Saint]

20 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Watching Jenrick try to justify it on Peston was cringeworthy ; "Those are her words"  well technically yes but you just look like a prick trying to justify the way they have been twisted to deliver your "message".

Apparently the Tory party have abandoned white people.

( I suppose the intended brain dead target audience will lap it up though. )

It’s repugnant behaviour. I dare say that Farage was concerned about the drift of the really far right parts of his base to Lowe and Musk.

I don’t think it will make any more of what’s left of the Tory Party’s membership move towards Reform and if anything it deepens even further the divide between the two parties making future collaboration near-impossible.

Badenoch should be under no illusions about continuing to try and align to Reform’s policies. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

23 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Watching Jenrick try to justify it on Peston was cringeworthy ; "Those are her words"  well technically yes but you just look like a prick trying to justify the way they have been twisted to deliver your "message".

Apparently the Tory party have abandoned white people.

( I suppose the intended brain dead target audience will lap it up though. )

"I am"..."an"..."idiot" - Robert Jenrick. All of his words, so they must also be true. 

[Weston Super Saint]

26 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

"I am"..."an"..."idiot" - Robert Jenrick. All of his words, so they must also be true. 

Surely not "all" of his words? 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Surely not "all" of his words? 

Yup. That's the lot. The rest are given to him through an earpiece, while he focuses on not drooling.

[Gloucester Saint]

This is where the BBC and others pandering to Reform and the far right leads. 78% increase in racism experienced in just 4 years, let that sink in

https://www.rcn.org.uk/news-and-events/Press-Releases/racism-allowed-to-flourish-in-nhs

[badgerx16]

Reform run Lancashire County Council are not as keen on fracking as their party leader.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gyd088r78o

[ecuk268]

On 06/06/2026 at 19:57, Gloucester Saint said:

This is where the BBC and others pandering to Reform and the far right leads. 78% increase in racism experienced in just 4 years, let that sink in

https://www.rcn.org.uk/news-and-events/Press-Releases/racism-allowed-to-flourish-in-nhs

I've always thought that there was a very simple solution to people who abuse hospital staff.

Throw them out.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, ecuk268 said:

I've always thought that there was a very simple solution to people who abuse hospital staff.

Throw them out.

It's an emotive subject. But I see no reason why they can't get immediate, free at the point of entry, treatment from someone with their preferred ethnicity.

Oh, Herbert...

Throwing them out is a waste of valuable test subjects. 🙂

[Gloucester Saint]

Oh heck, I’m getting older, I just agreed with Piers Morgan.

He does a number on grifter Lalia Cunningham

 

Edited June 11 by Gloucester Saint

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

https://bylinetimes.com/2026/06/16/reform-councillors-pose-with-banner-saying-theyd-rather-vote-for-jimmy-savile-than-labour/

Crazy if true. 

[egg]

51 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

https://bylinetimes.com/2026/06/16/reform-councillors-pose-with-banner-saying-theyd-rather-vote-for-jimmy-savile-than-labour/

Crazy if true. 

Alas, that's what we're dealing with. It's an "anything else will do" attitude, without any thought or concern as to what the anything else actually is. 

[Gloucester Saint]

12 hours ago, egg said:

Alas, that's what we're dealing with. It's an "anything else will do" attitude, without any thought or concern as to what the anything else actually is. 

Incredibly disrespectful towards Savile’s many victims, and this from a party who on the other hand want to save white girls from Muslim grooming gangs, when white groups of men commit 85% of such offences. Hypocrites.

Not to mention astonishingly poor taste. I think Burnham will win today, and despite my reservations about him economically I hope that he does. I never want fascism to win.

No surprises that this was endorsed by 30p Lee. If he’s a working class champion, it’s not the same working class I grew up in which fundraised for the miners as they were being brutalised by the police. 

Edited yesterday at 05:42 by Gloucester Saint

[badgerx16]

Sarah Pochin again showing her ignorance.....

 

[rallyboy]

Nigel's many bosses, the guys who really run Reform - the crypto market, the hedge funds, the oil companies, the Russians, may all be asking him for refunds this morning.

 

 

[egg]

37 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Nigel's many bosses, the guys who really run Reform - the crypto market, the hedge funds, the oil companies, the Russians, may all be asking him for refunds this morning.

 

 

Nah, they'll see that as a really positive result. Labour won handsomely but I think anyone can see that this was a one off opportunity to can Starmer vote with tactical voting to that end. 

Looking at the numbers, the Tories, Greens and Libs got less than 1500 votes between them. The Tories and Libs are done, the Greens will only attract a select crowd, and will likely only do well in certain areas. 

This showd that Reforms only threat is Restore. They'll walk the next GE barring a miracle, but in fairness to their voters, who else? 

[rallyboy]

It's a disaster for Reform, it wasn't even close.

The only thing that might save Labour is a change of leader and direction, Farage had a golden opportunity to prevent that even happening, but he failed.

So they cannot dress this up as anything other than a crushing defeat, a rejection of mad shit - and a vote of no confidence in both Starmer and Farage. 

[Gloucester Saint]

49 minutes ago, egg said:

This showd that Reforms only threat is Restore. They'll walk the next GE barring a miracle, but in fairness to their voters, who else? 

We normally agree but I can’t on that. Reform’s % has been dipping for a while now, 32% into the low 20s. No-one in this fragmented new landscape is going to walk anything and 326 seats is a theoretical figure. Burnham’s job, assuming it’s him and not Streeting (their members I suspect will prefer Burnham) is to make Labour the largest party and that’s the battle with Reform. 

The Tory members are in love with Badenoch in the same way Labour left members were with Corbyn but at some point the penny has to drop that they’re performing miles below where he was, even taking into account the Truss and Boris baggage. They need to get Street and Davidson into Parliament asap and persuade a couple of their old fogeys in their few safe seats left to stand back and try life support as a centre right party again.

Loads of councillors defecting back to them from Reform after seeing the sheer chaos and vileness inside Reform, but they need to oust Badenoch and the ERG in the next 3-6 months if they’re going to avoid 4th or 5th place

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-councillor-robbie-lammas-quits-conservatives-defection-b2996387.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwpwj2l0zvo

Edited 13 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[benjii]

1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

Nigel's many bosses, the guys who really run Reform - the crypto market, the hedge funds, the oil companies, the Russians, may all be asking him for refunds this morning.

 

 

Shame if he fell out of a window.

[egg]

8 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

We normally agree but I can’t on that. Reform’s % has been dipping for a while now, 32% into the low 20s. No-one in this fragmented new landscape is going to walk anything and 326 seats is a theoretical figure. Burnham’s job, assuming it’s him and not Streeting (their members I suspect will prefer Burnham) is to make Labour the largest party and that’s the battle with Reform. 

The Tory members are in love with Badenoch in the same way Labour left members were with Corbyn but at some point the penny has to drop that they’re performing miles below where he was, even taking into the Truss and Boris baggage. They need to get Street and Davidson into Parliament asap and persuade a couple of their old fogeys in their few safe seats left to stand back and try life support as a centre right party again.

Loads of councillors defecting back to them from Reform after seeing the sheer chaos and vileness inside Reform, but they need to oust Badenoch and the ERG in the next 3-6 months if they’re going to avoid 4th or 5th place

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-councillor-robbie-lammas-quits-conservatives-defection-b2996387.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwpwj2l0zvo

I can't see a Tory resurgence in a month of Tuesdays, they're done at national level imo. As for labour, Streeting or Burnham have got a hell of a job on their hands making Labour re-electable. They've got time, but as things stand, the masses have had enough and are adopting a bit of an "anyone else will do" approach. 

I hope I'm wrong, but as things stand, there's no real threat to Reform unfortunately. 

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, egg said:

I can't see a Tory resurgence in a month of Tuesdays, they're done at national level imo. As for labour, Streeting or Burnham have got a hell of a job on their hands making Labour re-electable. They've got time, but as things stand, the masses have had enough and are adopting a bit of an "anyone else will do" approach. 

I hope I'm wrong, but as things stand, there's no real threat to Reform unfortunately. 

Like there wasn’t in Gorton and Denton not far away?

They’ll win seats but they’ll face huge tactical voting and ‘anyone but Farage’ in so many others. His negative ratings are enormous despite a 20% or so core which is Trump-like in its dedication from ardent Brexiteers. And Musk will carry on funding Lowe who hates Farage and Tice with a passion to scale up nationally.

Labour has a mountain to climb to say the least but if the war has properly ended, and Netanyahu is toast now even more so than Starmer, then the rest of the economic vital signs should more visibly pick up. Remember the expansion of the franchise by 2029, 16 and 17 year olds will on the whole won’t embrace racism and plenty of Reform supporters will have had their funerals.

Very challenging times but a flicker of hope. Davey needs to go now as well if the Libs are going to kick on. 

[egg]

5 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Like there wasn’t in Gorton and Denton not far away?

They’ll win seats but they’ll face huge tactical voting and ‘anyone but Farage’ in so many others. His negative ratings are enormous despite a 20% or so core which is Trump-like in its dedication from ardent Brexiteers. And Musk will carry on funding Lowe who hates Farage and Tice with a passion to scale up nationally.

Labour has a mountain to climb to say the least but if the war has properly ended, and Netanyahu is toast now even more so than Starmer, then the rest of the economic vital signs should more visibly pick up. Remember the expansion of the franchise by 2029, 16 and 17 year olds will on the whole won’t embrace racism and plenty of Reform supporters will have had their funerals.

Very challenging times but a flicker of hope. Davey needs to go now as well if the Libs are going to kick on. 

To see Reform off, Labour and the Tories both have a mountain to climb. There's a long time to go, but if there was a GE tomorrow, we'd be waking up to a Reform government the following day. Fortunately it won't be anytime soon. 

And yep, Davey has to go. The Libs need work. 

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, egg said:

To see Reform off, Labour and the Tories both have a mountain to climb. There's a long time to go, but if there was a GE tomorrow, we'd be waking up to a Reform government the following day. Fortunately it won't be anytime soon. 

And yep, Davey has to go. The Libs need work. 

One of our local MPs has been suspended after an arrest, for what it isn’t clear.

FFS. 

[AlexLaw76]

Labour can easily win the next election.

Simply make a couple of changes.

Implement demonstrable action that dramatically decreases illegal immigration and continue to reduce overall immigration

Alter course on their suicidal Net Zero path

Stop taxing us to high heaven and actually work to reduce waste and the welfare bill

 

All easy to say, but they have a massive majority, probably going to have a leader who is more interesting than a wet paper bag....However, I suspect they will shift further to the left and allow Reform to continue their growth, all after a 3-6 month Burnham Bounce.

Edited 12 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Gloucester Saint]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Labour can easily win the next election.

Simply make a couple of changes.

Implement demonstrable action that dramatically decreases illegal immigration and continue to reduce overall immigration

Alter course on their suicidal Net Zero path

Stop taxing us to high heaven and actually work to reduce waste and the welfare bill

 

All easy to say, but they have a massive majority, probably going to have a leader who is more interesting than a wet paper bag....However, I suspect they will shift further to the left and allow Reform to continue their growth, all after a 3-6 month Burnham Bounce.

Agree with much of that, although Reform have been declining from their peak ratings for quite a few months despite the May local election results which are of course impressive from such a low base. NHS will be very important as well, make progress on the waiting lists which they seem to be and Farage has struggled to get any consistent position on that. They’ll get hammered on TV debates if they don’t. 

Musk’s willingness to carry on throwing ££££ at Lowe is reckoned to potentially cost Reform 70-100 seats at least too. He has no shortage of it, Rupert’s an interesting side hustle for him, Tommy’s in that picture (Kleenex delivery for Romney Marsh) and Rupert hates Farage.

There’s a contest on now. Starmer is toast, can’t believe he wants to fight on. What’s the point?

[egg]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Labour can easily win the next election.

Simply make a couple of changes.

Implement demonstrable action that dramatically decreases illegal immigration and continue to reduce overall immigration

Alter course on their suicidal Net Zero path

Stop taxing us to high heaven and actually work to reduce waste and the welfare bill

 

All easy to say, but they have a massive majority, probably going to have a leader who is more interesting than a wet paper bag....However, I suspect they will shift further to the left and allow Reform to continue their growth, all after a 3-6 month Burnham Bounce.

None of that sounds like Burnham's menu. 

Re illegal immigration, the problem is that there isn't an easy solution. The channel ain't going anywhere, and we'll have masses of boats arising during the upcoming calm weather period - no party can or will stop that. What no party will do either is have an ICE type agency rounding up people, to send them to an unspecified place. The pledges are just that. 

And Welfare, yep, too much and unsustainable but it's the entire welfare budget, state pension included - that alone is 5% of GDP which is mental. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

Agree with much of that, although Reform have been declining from their peak ratings for quite a few months despite the May local election results which are of course impressive from such a low base. NHS will be very important as well, make progress on the waiting lists which they seem to be and Farage has struggled to get any consistent position on that. They’ll get hammered on TV debates if they don’t. 

Musk’s willingness to carry on throwing ££££ at Lowe is reckoned to potentially cost Reform 70-100 seats at least too. He has no shortage of it, Rupert’s an interesting side hustle for him, Tommy’s in that picture (Kleenex delivery for Romney Marsh) and Rupert hates Farage.

There’s a contest on now. Starmer is toast, can’t believe he wants to fight on. What’s the point?

Not sure about that. All Restore showed at Makerfield is how they are not a serious force. The odd 5% here and there isn't really going to make much of a mark. I think Reform are going to have a much greater challenge trying to present themselves as more moderate and mainstream in order to get into power. All that will do is annoy some of those supporters who are on the further right. 

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Agree with much of that, although Reform have been declining from their peak ratings for quite a few months despite the May local election results which are of course impressive from such a low base. NHS will be very important as well, make progress on the waiting lists which they seem to be and Farage has struggled to get any consistent position on that. They’ll get hammered on TV debates if they don’t. 

Musk’s willingness to carry on throwing ££££ at Lowe is reckoned to potentially cost Reform 70-100 seats at least too. He has no shortage of it, Rupert’s an interesting side hustle for him, Tommy’s in that picture (Kleenex delivery for Romney Marsh) and Rupert hates Farage.

There’s a contest on now. Starmer is toast, can’t believe he wants to fight on. What’s the point?

I think it's a mixture. Ego, pride, and probably some fear - will a Burnham left lurch be good or bad for the party/country? Taking Alex's points, would the Starmer replacement have any answer to the populist concerns - welfare, immigration, and tax? I can't see it. 

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

I think it's a mixture. Ego, pride, and probably some fear - will a Burnham left lurch be good or bad for the party/country? Taking Alex's points, would the Starmer replacement have any answer to the populist concerns - welfare, immigration, and tax? I can't see it. 

I agree. I think Labour will do much better for a bit of a honeymoon period and then quite likely support will plummet once it's clear that not much will change. I do however think that Burnham has a better chance at selling policies to the electorate. Starmer has been almost unique as a Prime Minister in that he has proposed loads of unpopular policies and then not even really attempted to sell them or get the public onside. With some of his agenda it's like he's trying to upset the maximum amount of people which is a bizarre way to run a party and the country. How someone can just nakedly lie on taking office about treading lighter on all our lives and then spend his entire time in office do the exact opposite I find incredible. 

The issue is I am not convinced that Farage has mainstream appeal and will be able to properly progress into a credible alternative. I would hate to think we will be stuck with Labour at the next election by default because Reform aren't credible enough and no one wants to vote Conservative. 

Edited 12 hours ago by hypochondriac

[egg]

32 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I agree. I think Labour will do much better for a bit of a honeymoon period and then quite likely support will plummet once it's clear that not much will change. I do however think that Burnham has a better chance at selling policies to the electorate. Starmer has been almost unique as a Prime Minister in that he has proposed loads of unpopular policies and then not even really attempted to sell them or get the public onside. With some of his agenda it's like he's trying to upset the maximum amount of people which is a bizarre way to run a party and the country. How someone can just nakedly lie on taking office about treading lighter on all our lives and then spend his entire time in office do the exact opposite I find incredible. 

The issue is I am not convinced that Farage has mainstream appeal and will be able to properly progress into a credible alternative. I would hate to think we will be stuck with Labour at the next election by default because Reform aren't credible enough and no one wants to vote Conservative. 

Yep.

Re the first part, agreed, he's just done a bad job of doing bad policies. 

Re the second part, messing it up this badly is almost impressively shit.

On the last part, that's largely how I see it, although I suspect we'll end up with reform by a mixture of populism and default - the masses won't see a credible option, and will just think sod it, we need change. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

One of our local MPs has been suspended after an arrest, for what it isn’t clear.

FFS. 

I saw that someone was bringing your user name into disrepute. Scandal. 🙂

[ecuk268]

Nigel being not too truthful

Edited 11 hours ago by ecuk268

[Holmes_and_Watson]

26 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Nigel being not too truthful

Bloomin' Farage. Never buys a pint, as it takes him 2 years to finish the one he's got.

[Farmer Saint]

3 hours ago, egg said:

None of that sounds like Burnham's menu. 

Re illegal immigration, the problem is that there isn't an easy solution. The channel ain't going anywhere, and we'll have masses of boats arising during the upcoming calm weather period - no party can or will stop that. What no party will do either is have an ICE type agency rounding up people, to send them to an unspecified place. The pledges are just that. 

And Welfare, yep, too much and unsustainable but it's the entire welfare budget, state pension included - that alone is 5% of GDP which is mental. 

There is a solution to illegal immigration and a reduction in taxes. 

Re-join the EU.

[trousers]

30 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

There is a solution to illegal immigration and a reduction in taxes. 

Re-join the EU.

At least 35 people in Makerfield agree with you...

 

[Gloucester Saint]

4 hours ago, egg said:

I think it's a mixture. Ego, pride, and probably some fear - will a Burnham left lurch be good or bad for the party/country? Taking Alex's points, would the Starmer replacement have any answer to the populist concerns - welfare, immigration, and tax? I can't see it. 

@AlexLaw76 point around Net Zero is interesting when you consider the Aberdeen by-election result. SNP getting punished for corruption but not a coincidence that’s happened in the hub of North Sea oil and gas. The Scottish Tories have a much better brand than the English version (I’d probably vote for them up there out of the options) but food for thought from Burnham’s perspective on energy policy.

Edited 8 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

3 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I saw that someone was bringing your user name into disrepute. Scandal. 🙂

Unusual to not have some context for arrest initially but they’ve now said coercive behaviour and assault. Ex-RAF and seemingly popular and decent bloke https://news.sky.com/story/lib-dem-mp-arrested-and-suspended-from-party-13555467

[Holmes_and_Watson]

52 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Unusual to not have some context for arrest initially but they’ve now said coercive behaviour and assault. Ex-RAF and seemingly popular and decent bloke https://news.sky.com/story/lib-dem-mp-arrested-and-suspended-from-party-13555467

Where do the parties find these winners from?

[Sheaf Saint]

23 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Sarah Pochin again showing her ignorance.....

 

And again. It's almost as if she's not as bright as she thinks she is.

 

[whelk]

9 hours ago, egg said:

I hope I'm wrong, but as things stand, there's no real threat to Reform unfortunately

Reform are 11/2 to have a majority at next election which is very high odds for politics. Think it will be a very mixed Parliament with no one having real power. There are many many millions who don’t trust Reform

[egg]

Just now, whelk said:

Reform are 11/2 to have a majority at next election which is very high odds for politics. Think it will be a very mixed Parliament with no one having real power. There are many many millions who don’t trust Reform

🤞🙏🤞

Hopefully so. This is one thing I hope I'm wrong about. 

[whelk]

Burnham jsut needs to conscript all the immigrants to making fighting jets and bullets and he’s sorted

[AlexLaw76]

6 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

There is a solution to illegal immigration and a reduction in taxes. 

Re-join the EU.

They are lurching to the far right, so win/win

[Gloucester Saint]

5 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Where do the parties find these winners from?

For around here, on paper the ideal candidate. Family man, long-serving RAF officer (RAF policeman IIRC) and very well-regarded.

Beyond the easier due diligence on who has been posing Hitler memes or calling for all disabled people to be euthanised on X, it’s actually arguable that these people find the parties as much as the parties finding them. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Reform are 11/2 to have a majority at next election which is very high odds for politics. Think it will be a very mixed Parliament with no one having real power. There are many many millions who don’t trust Reform

Very much agree with this.

A well-hung Parliament.

[Gloucester Saint]

6 hours ago, trousers said:

At least 35 people in Makerfield agree with you...

 

Mind you, the actual supposed party for re-joining the EU - if Davey had the cojones - only got 128 more tbf.

Lib Dem’s are about as visible as Ross Stewart 2023-25. I vote for them but Ed’s about as effective as Starmer is. 

The table shows the extent of tactical voting for both Labour and Reform. Rupert kept his deposit and it’s a start, but Lib Dem, Green and Tory really made up space on the ballot. They didn’t make up the numbers in who voted.