Blackburn 2-1 Saints - Match Threads

[die Mannyschaft]

3 minutes ago, madge said:

Absolutely fecking embarrassing. SR surely can’t expect this level of performance after the outlay in the summer. Yet another terrible decision to being in still who looks absolutely lost and has no idea how to turn this around. But SR are totally to blame as is our owner who can quite frankly do one!! Fans must turn on SR and drive these cunts out the club..

need a manager to unite the fans. Ralph or Adkins wouldn’t be a bad shout.. both have experience in English footy. 
Went to watch AFC totton who have a striker called Tony Lee.. better finisher than anything we have at our club and a manager who knows how to grind out results.

Winchester City and Eastleigh also have players who can hit the target from anywhere and don't stop look left right and left again etc etc. 

[Football Special]

32 minutes ago, trousers said:

Why the f*** have we got "lots" of players that can't last 3 x 90 minutes. FFS

 

Other championship teams with MUCH smaller squads seem to manage it. 

We also have by far the most "ill" players , I sense some odd goings on behind the scenes 

[Midfield_General]

14 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Armstrong through on goal twice. Hits the keeper with one and the post with the other.

The keeper saved the one that hit the post too. Got a small but critical touch. 

[die Mannyschaft]

40 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

He said he's been doing this a long time and he'll keep doing it until someone tells him to stop.

 

It's not immediately clear what "it" is though.

STOP

[tdmickey3]

36 minutes ago, trousers said:

Yeah, sorry, mis-read that, but even so... Do all championship sides have to take off their best player half way through the second half when the match isn't won yet...?

Nope

[Football Special]

22 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Its the worst football I've seen in over 40 years, nonsense tactics, stupid subs beyond belief. Its as though there are bonuses for letting goals in and failing to shoot and it target. Has someone in the club put £50,000 on relegation.

I've got to agree, the tactical naivety is off the scale, we play 5 at the back and manage to still give so much space to the opposition, consistency get overrun in midfield and strikers who can't finish. 

Manager has to go but my goodness our problems go further 

[die Mannyschaft]

5 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Other championship teams with MUCH smaller squads seem to manage it. 

We also have by far the most "ill" players , I sense some odd goings on behind the scenes 

Why buy players then that cant last 90 mins. This person can only play 30 mins, that players cant play 3 games a week,  these 2 cant train on Wednesdays,  this one cant run backwards, that players can only walk sideways. Fucking hell what a load of nonsense.  Get players and managers that can play the game then.

[sfc4prem]

Our defensive composure is fucking non existent. We look terrified everytime the opposing players come near to our defensive third. They can't deal with simple balls over the top or into the box. 

Basic, and yet.

[die Mannyschaft]

2 minutes ago, Football Special said:

I've got to agree, the tactical naivety is off the scale, we play 5 at the back and manage to still give so much space to the opposition, consistency get overrun in midfield and strikers who can't finish. 

Manager has to go but my goodness our problems go further 

By 9.30pm. I may fall asleep watching highlights if there are any.

Time expected tX = today.

[Tanlee]

Thought we might be in for a  average season after the first few games, unfortunately I never took into account the crazy fucking decisions of the manager and the lack of common sense and mentality of some of players when making that judgement! 

Edited 5 hours ago by Tanlee

[markr27]

Where was Jack Stephens actually asked to play on the field when he replaced Scienza?
Was it him that ducked out of the way for the equaliser as well? 

[chownie20]

I've been patient after we dominated the last two games and was willing to put it down to bad luck. The XG table sort of led me to believe we were getting unlucky and about to click.

But after today with three at the back again, and then bringing on Stephens for Scienza when we were already looking like we were losing grip - what on earth was he thinking in terms of the shape - Stephens looked like he was asking where he was meant to be playing.

I get he had injuries but we have a big squad and need to be able to cope.

Charles is going to be a massive loss. Need to look at Aribo Downes and Jander (or Azaz) in a 433. Although I'd put Aribo number 9 in a 433. Either way need Downes to step up now.

433 with a strong spine 

Mads, Wood, THB, Manning 

Jander Downes Azaz

Arma Aribo Scienza

 

[saintant]

32 minutes ago, redkeith said:

I only saw bits of this on my phone, as I was at a village meal. Didn't look in control at all,  but they were not good. Just as I got up to leave we conceded the first,  but think that any other clubs keeper would have saved it. By the time we got in the car Saints had inevitably let in the 2nd. 

I don't know what the answer is. Still can't seem to get a tune out of some talented players, but the squad has no spine and no balance. The talk in the summer was of needing power and pace  but other than Quashee, we haven't delivered.  

If Charles is out for a while, we are fucked. 

Any manager that comes in needs to have a promise of whichever goale, defensive central midfield and center forward that he wants to make a team work. 

ThB, Stephens, Flyn Downes and Aribo need ditching. Shit attitude the lot of them. 

As for Rasmus and if it is not broken , consider breaking it. It is well and truly fucked now.  As and old school IT man, I can't  relate to that Web developer bollocks.  

Rasmus has taken a steady mid Pl team and turned it into one of Musk`s rockets ! 

Wish I could cut Saints off and just follow Real Socieadad instead, but football  is not like that . 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amen to this. Our team of weaklings will continue to throw games away.

[die Mannyschaft]

25 minutes ago, Topcat said:

But in our Championship promotion winning season, these were tried and tested senior players, not kids new to English football.

I don't think players can absorb nonsense tactics and robotic football,  they look confused. Its like Saints make the players learn algebra or Latin 4 hours a day during training. 

[S-Clarke]

How many apps is Aribo on for us out of interest?

Just something that cropped into my head, maybe the next appearance triggers an extra year on his deal or something at crazy money? That's the only reason I can think for his lack of visibility.

[Baird of the land]

4 minutes ago, markr27 said:

Where was Jack Stephens actually asked to play on the field when he replaced Scienza?
Was it him that ducked out of the way for the equaliser as well? 

Who was the cb who decided to play for Blackburn for the winner rather than clear it?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

30 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I'm from the school of thought that they're professionals and should be able to, but Shea getting injured kind of proves his point. 

And Leo isn't exactly well built, I can see him running out of steam. 

It's just bringing on Stephens for him that was fucking indefensible. Even if he'd brought on the young lad up top, put Fraser on the left and Armstrong back out right it would have made more sense. Stephens just ran around in circles looking confused, I'm not sure he made a single tackle or pass.

This. If you know going in which players will not last, then you pick a squad in preparation of the substitutions.

It's incompetence not to. Just like it's incompetence to not recruit for a squad, and to freeze out players who could do a job right up the spine (Aribo).  

With 3 at the back already, sacrificing attack for defence needlessly, knowing the flaws we have, was madness. Still pretending it's because Scienza can't play three games is missing the point. To then get Charles injured, when the same thing applied to him, just makes his comments worse.

Fraser moving to Scienza's position with Downs or Oyekunle coming on. 

Oh look, we're not abandoning our whole attack, resulting in more pressure on Charles' position.

If Charles also struggles to play 3 games, then that's why Bragg is on the bench. If, like Oyekunle, Still is hesitant, then there's Edwards or at that point Stephens (but really Edwards). But not Stephens on first!

[redkeith]

14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

In what way has Aribo displayed a shit attitude?

In his first season,  we were 2 nil up against Blackpool,  and I was thinking,  great , score some more and maybe get some confidence. But no, Blackpool break , Jo is running back with a Blackpool player, but he stops and decides to mark someone else who isn't running. The guy he should have been marking scored. 

Since then he will put in a shift for one game, and then swan around for the next.  Maybe if he had MLT sized talent you could put up with it, but Tiss always put a shift in . 

As a last thing p, even if you want a move, put a shift in pre season, don't  swan around waiting for a move to the Champions League.

Would take Trevor Hebbard or Tommy Widrington over him in a heartbeat.

 

[ecuk268]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

How many apps is Aribo on for us out of interest?

Just something that cropped into my head, maybe the next appearance triggers an extra year on his deal or something at crazy money? That's the only reason I can think for his lack of visibility.

Also, what happened to Matsuki who looked quite promising in early games?

[redkeith]

14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

In what way has Aribo displayed a shit attitude?

In his first season,  we were 2 nil up against Blackpool,  and I was thinking,  great , score some more and maybe get some confidence. But no, Blackpool break , Jo is running back with a Blackpool player, but he stops and decides to mark someone else who isn't running. The guy he should have been marking scored. 

Since then he will put in a shift for one game, and then swan around for the next.  Maybe if he had MLT sized talent you could put up with it, but Tiss always put a shift in . 

As a last thing p, even if you want a move, put a shift in pre season, don't  swan around waiting for a move to the Champions League.

Would take Trevor Hebbard or Tommy Widrington over him in a heartbeat.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

I don't think players can absorb nonsense tactics and robotic football,  they look confused. Its like Saints make the players learn algebra or Latin 4 hours a day during training. 

veni vidi capitulavi

[S-Clarke]

Just now, ecuk268 said:

Also, what happened to Matsuki who looked quite promising in early games?

I think he's a bit of a weakling if I'm honest, good technically but whenever I saw him he was brushed off the ball too easily. We don't really have the structure through the spine to accommodate players like him from what I've seen.

Apparently that's also a criticism 'the club' have with Jelert - which begs the question, again, why the fuck recruitment thought they'd be good additions.

[die Mannyschaft]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

Amen to this. Our team of weaklings will continue to throw games away.

If the players don't have enough skill and creative play against Blackburn then it confirms the level they are at. I think we have been miss sold in the window. Even with nonsense instructions surley the team can shout to each other and work out some decent basic football. 

[die Mannyschaft]

4 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Who was the cb who decided to play for Blackburn for the winner rather than clear it?

That's a major issue I have, why cany Saints players just clear ball out of danger. They don't understand basic football anymore.

[Give it to Ron]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

I think he's a bit of a weakling if I'm honest, good technically but whenever I saw him he was brushed off the ball too easily. We don't really have the structure through the spine to accommodate players like him from what I've seen.

Apparently that's also a criticism 'the club' have with Jelert - which begs the question, again, why the fuck recruitment thought they'd be good additions.

This is Blackburn not City, he looked decent v Norwich reserves in the cup earlier. If the plan is to take off Scienza do t you bring on like for like not a defender shoe horned into midfield like it seems Still did with Stephens.

i wanted Still to succeed we were sold his tactical nous and flexibility….have not seen it all is he scared , out of his depth or just incompetent at this level.

[die Mannyschaft]

4 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

veni vidi capitulavi

I came, I saw, I got relegated

[saintant]

1 minute ago, die Mannyschaft said:

If the players don't have enough skill and creative play against Blackburn then it confirms the level they are at. I think we have been miss sold in the window. Even with nonsense instructions surley the team can shout to each other and work out some decent basic football. 

It's not skill and creativity on their own - what we are severely lacking is any powerful footballers who can get around the pitch at pace, win their individual duels and battles and give the more talented players a base to work from. We are pathetically weak in mind and body.  

[hypochondriac]

18 minutes ago, chownie20 said:

I've been patient after we dominated the last two games and was willing to put it down to bad luck. The XG table sort of led me to believe we were getting unlucky and about to click.

But after today with three at the back again, and then bringing on Stephens for Scienza when we were already looking like we were losing grip - what on earth was he thinking in terms of the shape - Stephens looked like he was asking where he was meant to be playing.

I get he had injuries but we have a big squad and need to be able to cope.

Charles is going to be a massive loss. Need to look at Aribo Downes and Jander (or Azaz) in a 433. Although I'd put Aribo number 9 in a 433. Either way need Downes to step up now.

433 with a strong spine 

Mads, Wood, THB, Manning 

Jander Downes Azaz

Arma Aribo Scienza

 

I'd consider Sesay tbh if Downes isn't fit. 

Jelert Wood THB Manning 

Jander Sesay 

Fellows Aribo/matsuki Scienza 

Archer or the young bloke 

Edited 11 hours ago by hypochondriac

[Pamplemousse]

Today's result was a total disgrace.

Will Still is a decent coach but he is not a manager and we need someone with experience to steer this useless pile of shit to some sort of respectability.

[Baird of the land]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd consider Sesay tbh if Downes isn't fit. 

Jelert Wood THB Manning 

Jander Sesay 

Fellows Aribo Scienza 

Archer or the young bloke 

It seems completely weird how involved he was in pre-season but even gets overlooked when they forget to bring midfielders to Blackburn.

[die Mannyschaft]

Has the computer been rebooted yet?

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, Baird of the land said:

If Shea wasn’t supposed to play 3 full games then that makes still’s decision to leave cm’s at home even more daft. 
 

also in whatbizarro world should we have been 3 nil up.

It’s a bullshit answer because he knows he has fucked up.  Charles has started every game this season so Still is just bullshitting to try and deflect from what a stupid useless cunt he is.

[chownie20]

2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

It’s a bullshit answer because he knows he has fucked up.  Charles has started every game this season so Still is just bullshitting to try and deflect from what a stupid useless cunt he is.

Also if he knew Charles couldn't play he'd have taken someone other than Bragg to cover. Unless he actually planned for Stephens to play there. He'd have been better pushing Edwards into CM even. Royally screwed that up today.

[captainchris]

32 minutes ago, chownie20 said:

I've been patient after we dominated the last two games and was willing to put it down to bad luck. The XG table sort of led me to believe we were getting unlucky and about to click.

But after today with three at the back again, and then bringing on Stephens for Scienza when we were already looking like we were losing grip - what on earth was he thinking in terms of the shape - Stephens looked like he was asking where he was meant to be playing.

I get he had injuries but we have a big squad and need to be able to cope.

Charles is going to be a massive loss. Need to look at Aribo Downes and Jander (or Azaz) in a 433. Although I'd put Aribo number 9 in a 433. Either way need Downes to step up now.

433 with a strong spine 

Mads, Wood, THB, Manning 

Jander Downes Azaz

Arma Aribo Scienza

 

THB is bloody terrible

[Baird of the land]

So it was Bragg who mucked up for the 2nd goal. Figures.

also wondering how if 2 players were Ill all night why they didn’t send for someone sooner.

[Wade Garrett]

25 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Today's result was a total disgrace.

Will Still is a decent coach but he is not a manager and we need someone with experience to steer this useless pile of shit to some sort of respectability.

Haven’t seen any evidence that he’s even a competent coach.

He is a good salesman though.  Promoted himself like he’s the next Mourinho, and our clever, data-driven laptop wankers fell for it hook, line and sinker.  Gullible twats.

[chownie20]

8 minutes ago, captainchris said:

THB is bloody terrible

Two promotions out of this division playing in a simple back 4

[Gloucester Saint]

Had a lovely afternoon walking over Cleeve Hill and trying some of my Lidl Oktoberfest collection shortly. Cheltenham Town won in the last minute v top of the table Walsall - 10 points from 12 under Steve Cotterill after being adrift at the bottom under Michael Flynn who was sold short by the previous board. Their fans deserve the new ownership and management having given it to Gary Johnson who bought a total load of rubbish. Cotterill’s free agents and better organisation have transformed things. 

As for Saints….a re-set in League One with new owners and club leadership beckons. Glad to hear the travelling fans gave SR, Still and the ‘players’ some serious grief. 12 months too late sadly and likely to cost the club a second consecutive relegation and third in 4 years.

Message to Saints fans - if you demand change loudly you’ll deserve it if you get it. But you’ve accepted dreadful standards and a complacent and arrogant club leadership who hasn’t cared for many years hence 4 wins in 50 games. Learn from the older fans who ousted Lowe and Branfoot to understand what you need to do if you want to save your club. Us older farts did our bit at the time. 

[OttawaSaint]

36 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

 

Apparently that's also a criticism 'the club' have with Jelert - which begs the question, again, why the fuck recruitment thought they'd be good additions.

I've bolded the problem. No thought.

[Winnersaint]

Will Still, the Keir Starmer of football management.

[OttawaSaint]

9 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

So it was Bragg who mucked up for the 2nd goal. Figures.

also wondering how if 2 players were Ill all night why they didn’t send for someone sooner.

Yeah poor lad chested it back to the attacker. Still's fucking fault for the mess the young lad was thrown into. SR's fault for this long line of "clever" managerial appointments.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Winnersaint said:

Will Still, the Keir Starmer of football management.

Starmer’s at least handled Trump well even if domestically poor, this is Liz Truss level ineptitude.

Edited 10 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Hussar Saint]

The appointment of Will Still is up there with the Clive Woodward farce. 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, markr27 said:

Where was Jack Stephens actually asked to play on the field when he replaced Scienza?
Was it him that ducked out of the way for the equaliser as well? 

Think it was Manning to be fair.

[die Mannyschaft]

How much is Léo Scienza worth? Can't see him wanting to play league 1 football. 

[saintant]

22 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Had a lovely afternoon walking over Cleeve Hill and trying some of my Lidl Oktoberfest collection shortly. Cheltenham Town won in the last minute v top of the table Walsall - 10 points from 12 under Steve Cotterill after being adrift at the bottom under Michael Flynn who was sold short by the previous board. Their fans deserve the new ownership and management having given it to Gary Johnson who bought a total load of rubbish. Cotterill’s free agents and better organisation have transformed things. 

As for Saints….a re-set in League One with new owners and club leadership beckons. Glad to hear the travelling fans gave SR, Still and the ‘players’ some serious grief. 12 months too late sadly and likely to cost the club a second consecutive relegation and third in 4 years.

Message to Saints fans - if you demand change loudly you’ll deserve it if you get it. But you’ve accepted dreadful standards and a complacent and arrogant club leadership who hasn’t cared for many years hence 4 wins in 50 games. Learn from the older fans who ousted Lowe and Branfoot to understand what you need to do if you want to save your club. Us older farts did our bit at the time. 

But how do we get SR removed from the club?

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Hussar Saint said:

The appointment of Will Still is up there with the Clive Woodward farce. 

Again, like the Starmer analogy this is far worse. Starmer’s been Head of DPP whatever people think of him, SCW is a WC winning coach in a different sport and international player. As Ratcliffe and Brailsford show at Man U, this doesn’t always translate across.

But to appoint a 32 year old who had never managed in the country into this situation…

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, redkeith said:

 

Would take Trevor Hebbard or Tommy Widrington over him in a heartbeat.

 

Do you think they’d come if we offered them enough? 

[Mr X]

It's like Sport repubic go who would be a good manager with experience of both the championship and higher and then employ exactly the opposite! 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

But how do we get SR removed from the club?

They have folded every time there’s been a bit of dissent from the fans. Witness Martin v Spurs and some of mild stick v Juric. Banners, plane with a Solak out message, 90 minutes of chanting to get out of the club - that would be a start.

Falling attendances as the parachute payments will dwindle in parallel will achieve the aims. 

This won’t be like Guy Askham being pigheaded over Branfoot for almost 3 years. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Gloucester Saint